Republican Silence as Deafening As Their Lies

Can you hear the silence?

Now hear the lies.

And those are the easy ones. The distortions of truth (also called lying) are as egregious.

If you support Republicans, you support lying.

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on September 9, 2008 - 9:50 am

    Glenn Greenwald observes:

    [I]n stark contrast to how the press invented multiple false stories in the 2000 election to depict Al Gore as a chronic liar — the media simply passes along McCain’s lies (sometimes debunking them) without ever embracing the narrative that the McCain campaign is continuously spouting falsehoods.

    It’s gotten to the point where everything they say at campaign appearances is a lie, already debunked but repeated daily as if it were true.

    Think Progress is keeping track.

  2. #2 by Bob S. on September 9, 2008 - 10:27 am


    I’m sorry but can you post evidence that is from a credible a-political source?

    Think progress does not meet the requirements set forth by Cliff. Does it?

  3. #3 by Richard Warnick on September 9, 2008 - 11:06 am

    Bob S.– Can you find anything on the Think Progress list of McCain campaign lies that is not accurate?

    As for your preference for apolitical sources, the MSM is failing its responsibility to keep track of McCain’s lies. That’s why Think Progress is doing it.

  4. #4 by Matt on September 9, 2008 - 11:08 am

    “If you support Republicans, you support lying.”

    A deductive fallacy.

  5. #5 by Cliff Lyon on September 9, 2008 - 11:21 am

    Correction: If you support Republicans, you support LIARS that LIE.


  6. #6 by Cliff Lyon on September 9, 2008 - 11:24 am

    Bob S.

    How about ?

    Though I must remind you, the popular progressive blogs do not lie.

    You may try to prove me wrong. GOOD LUCK!

  7. #7 by Matt on September 9, 2008 - 11:28 am

    Correction: If you support Republicans, you support LIARS that LIE.

    Still the same problem. That’s quite a generalization. Following the same logic, as long as there is one democrat that lies, which I’m sure there is, then if you support democrats you support liars that lie, or whatever else you might want to say.

  8. #8 by Bob S. on September 9, 2008 - 11:36 am


    I never said that Thinkprogress wasn’t factual or accurate, but it doesn’t count according to Cliff because it is not a-political.

    I’ve posted way too many facts, figures, analysis, etc only to be told that source isn’t credible or a-political enough to be believable. Shouldn’t Cliff hold everyone to the same standard?


    Progressive blogs don’t lie??? Huffington post, DailyKos; have never published a single lie??

  9. #9 by Oprahs' Orifice on September 9, 2008 - 11:46 am

    Let’s make it clear.

    Republicans are bad people. They screw everything up. Those that follow the bad Republican leaders are stupid, so much so, smart people walk away.

    Republicans are judgmental, hateful, stingy, warped with religious dogma, in short, by all accounts, if they were bugs, We the Progressive People would be within our rights to spray them with DDT.

    This is about the progressive position, I am wondering when they will get off their asses and just take the country over by force, I mean with such a threat laying in wait to all good people, what in the hell are they waiting for?

    Lying Republicans must be liquidated, or at least ignored as the conservative wrong thinking pariahs that they are. That lie.

    Makes one wonder how the biggest horror shows of the last century were perpetrated by folks that share a great many of the progressive socialist agenda. You know, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, can’t forget national socialist Mussolini, and of course the ever friendly, looking out for mankind, Hitler.

    The vilification of a group based on ones own simple prejudices, or perceptions of a “truth” are the foundations of discrimination and bigotry. Is that on the progressive web sites?

  10. #10 by Richard Warnick on September 9, 2008 - 11:48 am

    Think Progress counts according to me. I link to it frequently. If you find something in the link that you can disprove, get back to me.

    So far, the arguments are like this:
    Person A: McCain is lying, and I can prove it– here are the facts.
    Person B: You are lying about McCain lying, and so there!

  11. #11 by Bob S. on September 9, 2008 - 12:08 pm


    Are you saying that I typify “Person B”?

    Think about previous statements in regards to 2nd amendment issues; who was posting comments like “Korwin lied” and who was posting information showing facts and figures? It’s not one sides on the accusation, is it?

    I have no problem with people linking to sites like Thinkprogress, I just want a level playing field.

    Can you deny that Cliff has repeatedly discredited information posted because the site was not a-political?
    Can you deny that you and others have rarely stood up to this, stating those sites are acceptable?
    A great example is Popular Mechanics, wouldn’t you agree?

    Why are there two sets of rules, one for Cliff’s side and one for the other?

  12. #12 by Oprahs' Orifice on September 9, 2008 - 12:16 pm

    Bob S., Like any crappy golfer or chess player, Cliff needs that handicap.

    If you draw with cliff on an issue, you actually won really. He is a true believer in the cognitive consonance mode.

  13. #13 by Obi wan liberali on September 9, 2008 - 1:23 pm

    Here is how I read this conversation.

    Here is evidence that McCain lied. People who support John McCain either refuse to admit his falsehoods, or they aren’t really bothered by them and therefore continue to support him

    I suppose he’s had practice.
    1St Mrs. Mccain- “John, where have you been?”

    John McCain- “Sorry hun, I had to work late. Thanks for putting the kids to bed. I’m pretty sure I’ll have to work late tomorrow, and oh, me and some of the boys from work are going (cough) fishing up in Flagstaff on Saturday.”

  14. #14 by Bob S. on September 9, 2008 - 1:32 pm


    This conversation seems familiar, something about politicians lying. Yes, politicians lie. Has McCain lied, yes. Has Palin lied, yes. Has Biden lied, yes. Has Obama lied, yes.

    Next distraction or can we actually discuss issues?

  15. #15 by Richard Warnick on September 9, 2008 - 1:50 pm

    The Republicans are lying about the issues, that’s the problem. For example, earmarks.

    Gov. Palin in her first year in office requested $550 million in earmarks, about $800 for every man, woman and child in Alaska. That’s the highest per capita total of any state. She backed the Bridge to Nowhere, and kept $225 million originally earmarked for that project.

    This year, Palin defended earmarking
    as a vital part of the legislative system. “The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship,” she wrote in a newspaper column.

    Barack Obama, who has not made earmarks a central issue of his campaign, hasn’t asked for any earmarks this year. Last year, he asked for $311 million worth, about $25 for every Illinois resident.

    Why is Obama not making a big issue out of earmarks? Simple. Even if every congressional earmark could be cut out of the federal budget, it wouldn’t necessarily cut government spending.

  16. #16 by Oprahs' Orifice on September 9, 2008 - 2:01 pm

    Alaska lives on “earmarks” while it may be an exploitable issue, if you don’t bring home pork to Alaska, then you can’t be in power there. It has been the #1 per capita recipient of Federal money through many administrations.

    How well you get Federal dollars to Alaska defines your greatness. In that regard, no Alaskan politician can not promote earmarks and survive. It is political bread and butter in Alaska.

    To try and compare its politics in the lower 48 is really not applicable. All representatives are groveling for free money up there.

    I will have to say, the whole tone of this republican lying thread is getting rather shrill.

  17. #17 by Larry Bergan on September 9, 2008 - 2:26 pm

    Some people say the earth is round, some say it’s flat. How can we know?

  18. #18 by Bob S. on September 9, 2008 - 2:33 pm

    I love this line:

    Barack Obama, who has not made earmarks a central issue of his campaign, hasn’t asked for any earmarks this year. Last year, he asked for $311 million worth, about $25 for every Illinois resident.

    Wouldn’t you actually have to show up to your job to request earmarks?

  19. #19 by Richard Warnick on September 9, 2008 - 2:38 pm

    Bob S. — Do you really want to go there? McCain ranks as the #1 most absent senator of the 110th Congress. He even beats Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD), who took several months off while recovering from a brain hemorrhage.

  20. #20 by Oprahs' Orifice on September 9, 2008 - 2:45 pm

    Just remember Larry, when the world was flat, that “truth” was the product of “peer reviewed science” of the day.

    The answer is sail around the world and find out.

  21. #21 by Oprahs' Orifice on September 9, 2008 - 2:55 pm

    Shrillllllll, shrillll, shrill….

    Palin thought, as she picked up her quill
    to write a neat thought, she sits there still
    no need to write, as progs self destruct
    imagining her broomstick, between her legs tucked
    they could only hope, that she go on, and get ******

    but ah not she, of high powered scope
    she need only sit, let them twist on her rope
    indeed it would seem they have given her power
    always the way witches, true believers devour
    I well do imagine there are those that are sour
    that she so effortlessly stole, poor Obamas’ hour

    Or 15 minutes, as it were
    she cut him back short, gave the time to her
    to sit on the stoop and leer at the cattle
    that had not a clue, they were losing the battle

    What is that I hear, a shrill death rattle?

    Whose we just can’t tell.
    Just for fun, I don’t care who wins, as long as the show makes me laugh.

  22. #22 by Bob S. on September 9, 2008 - 2:59 pm


    I will go there, I’ll rap McCain for not being at the job. We pay them to be Senators.

    I read somewhere a great idea that I’ll steal.

    Let’s make it an all or nothing proposition:
    Pass a federal law, regulation, whatever that states any time you run for president you have to give up your current government job if you have one. Make it contingent on an identifiable milestone, something like forming an exploratory committee.

    You seem to still see my involvement as based on political party affiliation; it isn’t.
    Let’s throw out all of the rascals and start over.

    Or better yet, but everyone’s name in a computer and have them pick representatives and senators at random. Send them to Washington D.C.; make them live in tents. They can’t come home until the objectives for that session are met. Or that they can’t come home until they achieve a certain approval rating from their district/state.

    There are many ideas, let’s use any of them to take back our government.

  23. #23 by Larry Bergan on September 9, 2008 - 3:20 pm

    Bob S:

    Making congressmen live in tents sounds like a lot of work. What about free and fair elections at the ballot box. Oh, I forgot, you don’t follow that issue or SAY you don’t.

  24. #24 by cav, entrenched yet negotiable on September 9, 2008 - 3:27 pm

    It doesn’t matter. Why, not two weeks ago, our Attorney General Mulkacy (sp) indicated that some crimes were more criminal than others. That goes for lying as well.

    Some people lie, and a fat chunk of the worlds’ population becomes a heap of ‘splodin’ wedding party. Other people protest the lies and they’re tagged with Terrorism charges. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.

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