Debate Open Thread

Consider this an open thread for the debate – record your favorite lines.

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  1. #1 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:03 pm

    I hope McCain can make it through the debate. Its near his bed time.

  2. #2 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:06 pm

    So McCain’s first answer included a lie that’s been debunked again and again – the claim that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are responsible for the subprime crisis. It’s not true, he should know it’s not true so . . . well, not a good start.

  3. #3 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:08 pm

    What was THAT face McCain made when he mentioned the plumber story?

  4. #4 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:10 pm

    Do plumbers make over 250k per year?

    Man, I gotta go back to school while there is still time.

  5. #5 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 6:11 pm

    I WANT to give me money to Obama. Spread the wealth!

  6. #6 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:12 pm

    Wow! Eleven minutes in and McCain is already yammering about Class Warfare. That didn’t take long.

  7. #7 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:13 pm


    American business in America paying the second highest rate?”

    Another lie by McCain

  8. #8 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:13 pm

    McCain Lie #2: American business are paying the second highest tax rate in the world. In fact the EFFECTIVE corporate tax rate is among the lowest in the world.

    Did you notice McCain also said we “don’t want to spread the wealth around”??

  9. #9 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:17 pm

    McCain remembers that Great Depression?

  10. #10 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:18 pm

    He’s starting to lose it. McCain is going to blow during this debate.

  11. #11 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:18 pm

    Debate tips

  12. #12 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:19 pm

    Dang! That overhead projector came up again!

  13. #13 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:19 pm

    More debate Tips

  14. #14 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 6:22 pm

    McCain’s pipes are clogged

  15. #15 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:23 pm

    Obama: Even Fox News disputes it [the claim he voted for a tax increase on people making 42k per year] . . . and they don’t do that much with regard to me.

  16. #16 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:23 pm

    Ooops, Obama just landed a blow with the Fox News comment

  17. #17 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 6:24 pm

    That was a mistake telling Obama he isn’t running against Bush.

    because HE IS RUNNING AGAINST BUSH!

  18. #18 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:25 pm

    Here comes Ayers.

  19. #19 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:26 pm

    McCain’s whining – “if obama had met with me as I urgently asked him to we could’ve have ten townhall meetings.”

    Does he not remember the last debate?

  20. #20 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:27 pm

    Obama is going to spank McCain in 10, 9, 8, …..

  21. #21 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:27 pm

    Rep Lewis – someone quick, get John McCain his fainting couch! He’s such a delicate easily bruised flower of American manhood.

  22. #22 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:30 pm

    Obama just did a nice move – twisting the question about “dirty campaigns” into a question about the economy – saying the American people aren’t concerned about our hurt feelings, they want us to debate the issues.

    John McCain responded by claiming ads criticizing his policies are unfair and amount to “negative campaigning”

  23. #23 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:32 pm

    He’s going to blow!

  24. #24 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:33 pm

    Maybe McCain has gas?

  25. #25 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:35 pm

    This is a spanking for Republicans everywhere.

  26. #26 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:36 pm

    McCain just blew his Ayers and ACORN moment.

  27. #27 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:36 pm

    I’m God, McCain really is gonna unload about Ayers and ACORN.

  28. #28 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:36 pm

    Okay the fun trend lines on CNN shot up when Obama answered. The more he focused on “we need to deal with the real issues” – as soon as McCan started yammering about ACORN, the line dropped. Love those approval lines on CNN.

  29. #29 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:38 pm

    Obama’s thing about Ayers is almost word for word what I read earlier today on kos or Americablog or Eschaton. I don’t remember what.

  30. #30 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:43 pm

    Obama managed not to laugh when Schieffer asked why Joe Biden would be a better president than palin. That is self control.

  31. #31 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:45 pm

    Somebody has to tell McCain that drinking 100 cups of coffee before a debate is not a good thing.

  32. #32 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 6:46 pm

    Didn’t Bush send Biden to Georgia during the Russian invasion as his representative?

  33. #33 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:47 pm

    45 nukes up and running in 4 years?

  34. #34 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:49 pm

    cool huh, james?

  35. #35 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:50 pm

    “We can’t drill our way out of the problem” – Obama has used this line before and I have liked it before.

    And he just called for the US to manufacture the car of the future. Nice.

  36. #36 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:54 pm

    I feel like Obama gotten in the weeds on this whole free trade thing – I get where he’s going but it’s obscure, senate inside baseball.

  37. #37 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:54 pm

    btw, where is john’s lapel pin?

    I thought he was a patriot.

  38. #38 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 6:56 pm

    glen. you are correct re obama and free trade, but mccain is far from helping himself on this topic as well.

  39. #39 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:56 pm

    Obama’s answer was so so, McCain’s was even worse – he immediately made the same old “he’ll talk to anybody” charge. He actually completely blew an opening and ended up looking a bit . . . daffy.

  40. #40 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 6:59 pm

    on health care, Obama just knocked it out of the park. It was one of the best answers I’ve seen on health care.

    McCain is barely into his answer and he’s deep into the weeds.

  41. #41 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:00 pm

    Cool. More discussion re joe the plumber.

  42. #42 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:01 pm

    ZERO in fines for joe the plumber!!!

    Did you see the look on McCain’s face?? Priceless!!!!

  43. #43 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:01 pm

    On CNN, the approval lines plunged the minute McCain started attacking Obama’s plan. McCain is doing his best “surprised face” right now and it’s really funny. It’s not having the effect he thinks it should have. The undecideds on CNN like Obama on health care and they don’t like McCain on it.

  44. #44 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:02 pm

    I wish I were TIVOing so I could rewatch John McCain pull his “surprised face”

  45. #45 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 7:04 pm

    Did someone just say I’m rich?

    YeeeeeHoooooooooooo!

  46. #46 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:04 pm

    Okay,the trend lines on CNN – the minute McCain started talking about Joe the Plumber – dropped into the negatives and stayed there – women are hating this riff of McCain’s. He keeps repeating the same line about fines – even though Obama just said no fines.

  47. #47 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 7:05 pm

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  48. #48 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:05 pm

    Congrats Joe! Glad to hear you’re rich!

  49. #49 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 7:05 pm

    i’M VOTING FOR mCcAIN!

  50. #50 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:06 pm

    Well, he made you rich!

  51. #51 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:07 pm

    Roe V Wade:

    McCain – leave it to the states.

    We tried that once before and it didn’t work which is how we got Roe v. Wade.

  52. #52 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:08 pm

    Did McCain just speak about Breyer and Roberts? I think he meant Alito and Roberts.

  53. #53 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:09 pm

    yeah, he said Breyer and Roberts. I’m checking – I think he meant Alito.

  54. #54 by bekkieann on October 15, 2008 - 7:12 pm

    McCain blew it with equal pay for equal work.

  55. #55 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:13 pm

    Your right Glen. He did say Breyer

  56. #56 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:14 pm

    I agree Bekkieann – McCain blew that one. But no surprise there I guess.

    I know I shouldn’t say this but I always get jumpy when people with penises start talking about limitations on what people with uteruses get to do with their bodies.

  57. #57 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:14 pm

    Did McCain just snort?

  58. #58 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:16 pm

    Obama just said “Nobody is pro abortion”. I’ve waited years to hear a candidate say that.

    And there goes McCain, using the term again, PRO ABORTION?

    Anyone who says that is and ASSHOLE. McCain is an ASSHOLE!

  59. #59 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:16 pm

    McCain just cannot seem to bring himself to speak in favor of birth control and education to reduce abortions. What a hack!

  60. #60 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:16 pm

    yeah I think he snorted.

  61. #61 by bekkieann on October 15, 2008 - 7:18 pm

    Yes, McCain has been snorting or maybe just breathing heavy the entire debate. They should turn off his mike when he’s not talking. He’s reminding me of my grandpa for sure.

  62. #62 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 7:18 pm

    hey! I’m pro-abortion!

    I already got 6 and half of them probably arn’t mine (woman caint kkepr legs closed)

  63. #63 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:18 pm

    On Education: I like what Obama is saying – the emphasis on math and science is CRUCIAL to our future success.

    I like where he’s going on college costs – but I don’t think the tuition credit is big enough but I like the quid pro quo = do community service get the tuition credit. I wish he’d set a goal of a completely free college education for anyone who can afford it.

  64. #64 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:21 pm

    McCain says we should have expanded student loans.

    What an idiot.

    As Obama pointed out, so many people face having a mortgage level student loan upon graduation.

  65. #65 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:22 pm

    okay, I know I’m shallow but . . .

    McCain is sitting there trying to look pleasant and awake and it just makes him look creepy.

  66. #66 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 7:24 pm

    Calm down Mavvy!

    Yer gonna pop’a pipe!

  67. #67 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:24 pm

    Ditto, glen. His handlers have got to be crying in their soup.

  68. #68 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:25 pm

    okay now McCain is attacking head start.

    I’ve heard more than one educator describe it as the single most successful government program ever.

    John McCain keeps saying Sarah Palin knows about autism. Her son has Down’s – he’s not autistic. WTF? Has he actually met his own running mate?

  69. #69 by bekkieann on October 15, 2008 - 7:26 pm

    This whole vouchers discussion is a non-starter for both of them.

  70. #70 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:26 pm

    McCain should shut up and not interrupt his opponent – it just makes him look all that much more ridiculous.

  71. #71 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:29 pm

    And may you be the last…”in a long line of McCains”

  72. #72 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:30 pm

    If he snorts during Obama’s closing, he finished…more finished

  73. #73 by Greg Felice on October 15, 2008 - 7:30 pm

    mccain, while a piece of shit, has been pretty strong tonight. devious, but he’s very well prepared with a steady stream of nonsense.

  74. #74 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:31 pm

    though it’s about the best thing McCain has said all night.

    I like that Obama just said of the reforms we need, “It won’t be easy, it won’t be quick . . . I’m convinced we can do it . . .”

  75. #75 by Greg Felice on October 15, 2008 - 7:31 pm

    good job! good job! good job! good job! good job! good job! good job! sneer….

  76. #76 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:31 pm

    That was McCain throwing in the towel

  77. #77 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:32 pm

    ABC is showing joe the plumber!

  78. #78 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:33 pm

    Greg – I noticed that too – it was . . . uh, you know, weird. Like he is trying to prove he’s not a total bastard. Or maybe, just maybe, he’s trying to recapture any semblance of decency and honor he once had.

  79. #79 by Cliff Lyon on October 15, 2008 - 7:33 pm

    Notice how Obama lets Michelle exit in front of him. McCain walks right away from his wife and boogeys off stage.

  80. #80 by Greg Felice on October 15, 2008 - 7:35 pm

    well, that’s because she slogs on the makeup with a trowel, you c**t.

  81. #81 by bekkieann on October 15, 2008 - 7:35 pm

    McCain failed to do what he needed to do tonight. Nothing has changed.

  82. #82 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:35 pm

    Cliff – I love watching the Obamas together – their body language together says so much about what kind of people they are. It makes me feel comfortable.

    Can’t wait to see the CNN instant poll.

  83. #83 by Greg Felice on October 15, 2008 - 7:36 pm

    glenden,
    mccain was trained and coached very differently in this debate… not sure how people will react. he was definitely.. different. i think mccain was more effective.

  84. #84 by bekkieann on October 15, 2008 - 7:37 pm

    Glenden, I so agree with the interaction between the Obamas–so warm and natural. Cindy McCain is the ice queen and makes me feel nervous.

  85. #85 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 7:42 pm

    Obamas job was to increase comfort level with him a President.

    Its hard, really hard for some of us ‘Joe Plumbers’ to, you know…ah shucks. He aint exactly white if ya know what I mean.

  86. #86 by Glenden Brown on October 15, 2008 - 7:45 pm

    Okay, so while McCain was defending his attacking Obama on William Ayers (though I didn’t hear Jeremiah Wright mentioned . . .), Obama responded by completely blunting that attack – saying, in essence, he and I know each other, we’ve served together on a non profit board, but that tit for tat nonsense isn’t the issue and the American want to talk about the issues. I think that framed the whole discussion in terms of “you want to talk about personalities and I want to talk about issues . . . what matters more?”

  87. #87 by Richard Warnick on October 15, 2008 - 7:51 pm

    Keith Olbermann noted that this one is debate number 49 of the 2008 presidential contest. Good grief.

    McCain’s best line: “Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.” McCain has voted with Bush 95 percent of the time and has previously stated that he agrees with Bush on all major issues.

    For the rest, he really came across as a whiner on the subject of smears– nobody is smearing McCain, but he apparently thinks he’s the victim. McCain was the first one to bring up William Ayers –then, even after Obama hit him with the zinger that Ayers is the centerpiece of his whole campaign, McCain wanted to talk even more about Ayers!

    McCain said ACORN is “destroying the fabric of our democracy.” Americans who don’t watch Faux News or read right-wing blogs said “Huh? I thought acorns were food for squirrels.”

    Obama scored again with a line he’s used often: “I don’t mind being attacked for the next three weeks. What the American people can’t afford is four more years of the same failed policies…” No whining, he just pivoted every time from smears to the Economy Stupid!

    Thanks to right-wing bloggers (and The Google), I knew about Joe The Plumber before tonight. That must be how McCain knows the guy, because he never met him. My wife wanted to know if Joe Sixpack was the same person, or somebody else. I suppose millions of viewers were scratching their heads.

    From Think Progress: “Joe The Plumber” is plumbing business owner Joe Wurzelbacher, whose income of over $250,000 a year puts him comfortably in the top five percent of earners in the United States.

    One surprise– who thought they would spend so much time discussing school vouchers? That phrase doesn’t poll well. McCain doesn’t want to throw money at the education problems, but isn’t that the point of vouchers– just throw money?

  88. #88 by Ed Firmage on October 15, 2008 - 7:53 pm

    Upon reflection in this time of elections, I’ve concluded that Senator Chris Buttars is right: “Utah is no place to prove Darwinsism.”

  89. #89 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 7:56 pm

    Further on abortion and vouchers, McCain was preaching to the repug base. What a waste of time for McCain.

  90. #90 by Richard Warnick on October 15, 2008 - 8:11 pm

    Once again, I recommend the Think Progress debate live blog. They caught a lot of miscues and false statements.

    Sample:

    McCain said that the average health care plan costs $5,800, the size of the employer contribution. McCain has been a recipient of government health care his entire life and may not know that, according to the latest estimate, the average health care plan is actually $12,680.

  91. #91 by Joe The Plumber on October 15, 2008 - 9:31 pm

    As you may know, I was interviewed by Katie Couric during the debate. When she asked, I said:

    “I mean I have a pretty good idea who I’m going to vote for but you know that’s my – you know, the nice thing about going into the booth is only me and the lever knows,” he said. “I think McCain did a fine job this evening, I think he brought up some good points. I do like his health care and I do like his, where he stands on taxes.”

    I swear, I am not a racists, I just don’t like black people.

    Last time I checked, it was still a free country, and I have a right to hate.

  92. #92 by James Farmer on October 15, 2008 - 11:08 pm

    Oh man. I can see it know.

    Palin/Joe the Plumber ticket in 2012.

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