Hard Truths & Fascism by Any Definition


I’ve not yet taken a firm position on the ‘auto bailout’.  I am sympathetic to Mark Nickolas ‘ position.

I realize that I’m going to get a ton of grief for this from my friends and colleagues, and I really hate it when I find myself siding with the Republican Party on policy — because they’re just so predictably wrong on almost everything they utter these days — but I think this auto industry bailout is a piss-poor idea and I find myself rooting for the GOP to kill it.  From
This Sucks, but I’m Rooting Against the Auto Bailout…

Or we should just nationalize them. At the very least, they need to agree to drop law suits against states that raise efficiency/carbon standards.

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  1. #1 by Becky on December 13, 2008 - 11:44 am

    I, too, have been vacillating on this. But I’ve decided I support the bailout because of the probable loss of jobs and trickle down loss of jobs if the auto companies are forced into bankruptcy. I guess I believe the projections that it will actually cost the American taxpayers as much in lost tax revenue, increased unemployment costs and other public services. Yet, I fear the bailout i’s just a short-term solution and only delays the inevitable. If that’s the case, then let’s not waste any more money or time, let’s get it over with and start on the recovery plan.

  2. #2 by Ken on December 13, 2008 - 12:56 pm


    This is no bailout and will ultimately hurt the automobile industry more in the long run because it will keep them from doing the things necessary to become viable again. Throwing money at the problem may create some relief in the short term but inevitably the car companies will once again take their tin cup to Washington. What the capitalist system demands is that a company must survive on its own or fail. If failure occurs we have safeguards in place such as the bankruptcy laws that offer protection against creditors while the company restructures. This would allow the companies to throw out old archaic and choking union rules as well as inefficient and costly company policies and give a fresh start conducive to creating a new successful business model.

    These companies cannot compete with their present union contracts and so far the unions have refused to do their part in saving their industry. Unions must realize they do have a stake in the success of the companies in whom their members are employed. Workers also need to assert themselves against their own unions when they are no longer working in their best interests. Bankruptcy would force the unions and the companies back to the bargaining table and if they cannot offer their own plan acceptable to all parties then one will be imposed on them by a Bankruptcy judge.

    Taking money from the government will come with onerous strings attached that will make it next to impossible to maintain long term viability. Government will then be allowed to dictate what kind of cars they can make, what fuel economy they will have regardless of the added costs. What the car companies are doing is making a deal with the devil which may provide instant gratification but put the companies in bondage into the foreseeable future.

  3. #3 by Frank Staheli on December 13, 2008 - 1:02 pm


    Most republicans, just like most democrats, are “predictably wrong on almost everything they utter”, but there are those few on both sides of the aisle who are predictably right. These are they who voted against both the financial sector bailout and the auto bailout.

    Your title says it all. It’s unadulterated fascism. It tends toward nationalization of the auto industry as well as other industries. I’m not sure how, then, you could possibly support a bailout. When contemplating the economic fallout, it may seem like a hard choice. However, when contemplating our long-term future, it’s simple. Don’t support the bailout.

  4. #4 by Moribund Republic on December 13, 2008 - 4:44 pm

    Seig Heil! Now get in the *uckin’ car!

    No worries, you can count on a few sensible republicans to nix any deal. Why some of your Democrat progressives join in?

    It will be the ultimate irony that Bush now may be the only means of saving these worthless overpaid jobs. Bush saves the union.

    The world is truly upside down. Waiting for the Apocalypse, after all the Messiah has come.

  5. #5 by Moribund Republic on December 13, 2008 - 4:45 pm

    Why don’t some of your Democrat progressives join in? What happened to the 5 minute edit? Anyone? Am I being discriminated against by the master of the “blog”?

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