Obama Will Take Away Your Guns FOR SURE According to World Expert

Beck denies responsibility for Pittsburgh shooting, adds that Obama “will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun”

This is good news for gun owners because pretty much every major prediction/warning Glenn Beck has ever made, was wrong. This is a classic technique of apocalyptic Christians of which he is one.

So there ya have it. Gun owners can rest easy on Glenn record.

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  1. #1 by cav on April 7, 2009 - 6:26 pm

    Cliff you are a cruel blogger.

    And the space between that fella’s ears is for rent.

  2. #2 by Becky on April 7, 2009 - 8:11 pm

    The problem with Beck’s and others’ rhetoric is the tragic truth that unstable people will take those words to heart and even act on them. In the long gun threads here at OneUtah, I’ve observed one or two commenters who might be just such an unstable person. Fear mongerers should accept responsibility for the environment they helped to create. Or at least realize the impact of their words.

  3. #3 by jasonthe on April 7, 2009 - 8:43 pm

    What frightens me more, every time I read something like this, is that there are a lot of conservatives in this state still, and I have yet to find one popular source of information they rely on that is not full of shit 80% of the time.

    And yet, they vote…

  4. #4 by jdberger on April 7, 2009 - 10:32 pm

    Really, Jason?

    You think that the WSJ is “full of shit 80% of the time”?

    WashPo? NYT? Reuters? AP? BBC? LAT? SFChron?

    Or are you confusing entertainment with news?

    Because if you are, that would clearly be your problem, Jason.

    (Pssst. It’s ok for people to have differences of opinion and even different outlooks on life – it’s what makes our society so great. Next time, try to stay awake in Social Studies.)

  5. #5 by Bob S. on April 8, 2009 - 3:05 am

    Becky,

    And just what is your background that allows you to

    spot one or two commenters who might be just such an unstable person

    ?

  6. #6 by Becky on April 8, 2009 - 5:05 am

    It’s a survival skill that keeps more women safe than guns, Bob. It’s the thing that warns a woman that a situation might not be safe. It’s a gut feeling and after many years of experience, I’ve learned to trust it. Don’t worry, Bob, it’s not you.

  7. #7 by mikeb302000 on April 8, 2009 - 7:47 am

    Becky, You made me laugh when you reassured Bob he wasn’t one of them. I thought he was. (Now, Bob, you’re supposed to be smiling right now, not getting all upset).

  8. #8 by Cliff on April 8, 2009 - 7:52 am

    Bob S,

    I’ve decided to give you a nick name, “Zero Caliber Bob”

    And just what is your background that allows you to spot one or two commenters who might be just such an unstable person

    High school education.

  9. #9 by jdberger on April 8, 2009 - 8:04 am

    Unstable?

    Maybe it’s the guy who gets sotted and screams at traffic in his bathrobe….

    Wonder who that is?

  10. #10 by Cliff on April 8, 2009 - 8:37 am

    Mike, Thanks for the heads up on the HuffPost article…I saw on your site and then the next and the next.

    Looks like we share some commenters.

    I’m jealous you got the ‘FatwhiteMan.”. A trophy kill by any measure.

  11. #11 by Bob S. on April 8, 2009 - 8:42 am

    MikeB,

    I am smiling, smiling at the hypocrisy of the leftists on this board.

    Cliff is all for a person having the proper credentials, the required background before they talk about a subject.

    And here is Becky talking about how she can spot people not only are unstable, but “will take those words to heart and act on them”.

    When pressed for proper credentials, she presents woman’s intuition. A little sexist perhaps?

    Then good ole Cliff jumps in, not to offer any helpful commentary, not to offer evidence or statistics, not to further then debate….but only to attack a person he disagrees with.

    I quote from the About OneUtah page:

    OneUtah.org is an ersatz Public Square for Utah. We feature the writings’ and commentary of Utah’s many thoughtful and articulate citizens, community leaders, educators and law-makers and by facilitating discussion around current events, politics, and religion.

    Now, how exactly is a personal attack facilitating discussion?

    And you are just as bad, on your own side have gotten so upset over perceived “personal attacks” that you’ve implemented comment moderation. Yet here you are joining in personal attacks. Calling me one of the unstable ones.

    How is that respecting people ?

    How is that furthering the discussion?

    I’m not offended by the name calling, I am however offended by the blatant double standard hypocritical attitude displayed by the “authors” here.

    When called on their lies, when called on to present evidence, when called on their elitism, they resort to the typical tactics.

    How sad for a site that those that should be leading the discussion so often lead the personal attacks.

  12. #12 by Weer'd Beard on April 8, 2009 - 8:59 am

    I’m frankly getting a bit bored of it all. It’s like watching Re-runs.

  13. #13 by Bob S. on April 8, 2009 - 9:08 am

    You know it’s time to abandon the post when the authors like Leo or Richard Warnick abandon it.

    All that leaves are people like Cliff who are just interested in running up traffic to his site.

  14. #14 by jdberger on April 8, 2009 - 10:22 am

    So then…let’s talk guns.

    Anyone see the new Ruger LCR in person? SHOT was a little far away for me this year.

  15. #15 by Becky on April 8, 2009 - 10:51 am

    Bob S,

    I knew you’d be back with a sarcastic remark for me. I didn’t expect you to understand, so I’ll explain.

    Millennia of being smaller, weaker, and slower than men has cause the female of our species to evolve other ways of protecting ourselves. We, in general, are more tuned in to our environment and pick up on all kinds of subtleties and signals. Words, tone, postures, proximity, aggressiveness, all kinds of things send messages to us. If we listen to our intuition, we know when we are in a dangerous place, and we are smart to act on that intuition and leave that place.

    Yes, I act on my intuition. It has served me well and has proven to be right again and again. After years of experience, I’ve honed that pretty finely. Not just in dangerous situations, but others as well. I can sense when someone is sad, in trouble, or needs help. I know especially when my children need me. It’s not magical, Bob. And it’s not foolproof. People still get away with lying to me. I try to err on the side of caution.

    You miss these signals, Bob, partly because you are a man and don’t need them, but also because you are a cynic and because you have a bull-in-a-china-shop approach. Subtle things are lost on you. So have a little laugh at my expense, if it makes you feel manly. I understand – more than you know.

  16. #16 by Bob S. on April 8, 2009 - 11:16 am

    Becky,

    Thanks for replying with a completely sexist, gender biased, no citation comment.

    Any evidence to back up any of your claims of near psychic powers?

    Any evidence that those traits are solely, primarily, predominately gender based in the female? Take your pick.

    Words, tone, postures, proximity, aggressiveness, all kinds of things send messages to us

    I never knew that…wow, to image that I was missing all those non-verbal forms of communication simply because I was male.

    If we listen to our intuition, we know when we are in a dangerous place, and we are smart to act on that intuition and leave that place.

    And that sounds suspiciously like things I said to you on a previous post about avoiding trouble and the mind set a person needed to develop PRIOR to carrying a firearm.

    You miss these signals, Bob, partly because you are a man and don’t need them, but also because you are a cynic and because you have a bull-in-a-china-shop approach.

    And again you have what degree or credentials to determine that I miss these?

    Especially considering that the written media of communication lacks the ability to transmit all those non-verbal forms of communication.

    It seems that you are guilty of the very things you accuse me of.

    Subtle things are lost on you.

    The dig, while addressed to you, was actually directed at Cliff and his insistence on proper credentials. And he fell right into it with both feet, showing his double standards once again.

    The people who agree with his don’t have to have proper credentials, just an “high school education”. Gosh, I forgot to ask…you do qualify for that don’t you? Perhaps a G.E.D.?

    Many people have the same abilities, traits and perceptions that you mention. It is not limited to females, as seems to be the implication of your comment.

    Some of us, on top of natural ability, have studied the art of communication. Not to make up for a lack, but to hone the existing skill. Not only is that study useful in work related areas, but as you mentioned personal safety.

    I’m not disagreeing with any of your assessments or comment about the ability to detect problems. Just pointing out your double standard.

    Improving a person’s skills in this area is one of the primary activities I strongly recommend prior to getting one’s CHL. As I’ve said in the past, I like you, would prefer to avoid trouble. The best way to do that is to see trouble coming.

    Isn’t hilarious how the liberals on this board often display the worst discriminatory or biases they accuse the conservatives.

  17. #17 by Becky on April 8, 2009 - 11:28 am

    I made my point, Bob. I will never convince you of anything. I’m not going to try.

  18. #18 by Moribund Republic on April 8, 2009 - 11:43 am

    Well Becky seeing as Cliff has uttered the threat (which anyone would declare as a sign of mass instability) to hang Beck by the neck, you need only go to the author of the post to find a person similar in make up to the whack jobs that committed the murders.

  19. #19 by Weer'd Beard on April 8, 2009 - 12:36 pm

    You actually didn’t make much of a Point Becky. The world doesn’t disapear when you close your eyes. Your preception of things is quite wrong, but you’re welcome to them.

    “Anyone see the new Ruger LCR in person? SHOT was a little far away for me this year.”

    Haven’t seen one yet. Rugers are slow to get into Mass with our handgun restrictions, but overall Ruger has been getting all their handguns aproved as fast as they can.

    I’ve heard the LCR has a REALLY slick trigger pull right out of the box. Still it’s not rated for .38 Sp +P (Standard pressure .38s are a little light for my tastes) it’s ugly as sin, MSRP is painfully expensive.

    I can’t imagine how it could be any better than my S&W 642, and certainly the S&W 342 is about $100 cheaper, weighs the same, and might have a slightly heavier trigger pull (Smoothness is more important on a trigger IMHO than weight, and the smiths run pretty smooth right out of the box) and is rated for +P ammo.

    You can also get a smith in .357 Mag, or .327 Federal Mag. All Better options IMHO.

    Honestly I haven’t been very impressed with Ruger’s latest firearms. The LCP is neat, but I’m not a fan of .380 Auto, nor was I impressed that Ruger failed to make it drop-safe on the first run.
    And the SR-9 is a glock that was obviously built by a lawyer not a shooter (thumb safety, DAO trigger, and Mag Disconnect) lame!

  20. #20 by Becky on April 8, 2009 - 12:42 pm

    Weer’d,

    I don’t expect you to get it.

  21. #21 by Becky on April 8, 2009 - 12:45 pm

    Mike (way up this thread),

    I checked out your blog and was pleased to see you also follow Cenk Uygur and the Young Turks. He’s one of my faves.

  22. #22 by Shane Smith on April 8, 2009 - 12:50 pm

    Becky, suggesting that actually understanding people and situations rather than arming yourself to the teeth and shooting anything that moves as a defensive strategy is never going to fly in the United States of Highly Threatened Masculinity. Surely you know that.

    If you really want to get attacked, suggest it as foreign policy.

  23. #23 by jdberger on April 8, 2009 - 1:08 pm

    I’m not too much a fan of the j-frame .357s. Too much bite for lil’ ole me. I like the 442. I’m a huge fan of the Centennial design.

    .327 is an option. I’d have to find a place where I can rent/borrow one. They aren’t terribly plentiful in my part of the world right now. Ham Bowen’s done some fun stuff converting .32 mags into .327. I’d love to have another of his creations.

    As far as Rugers, I’ll stick with their SA revos and long guns (still contemplating a Red Label for a brush gun).

  24. #24 by Bob S. on April 8, 2009 - 1:32 pm

    Shane,

    Thanks for stepping up and showing everyone how little you know about the law and the methods/practices of those who carry firearms for protection.

    Since you seem to believe that the standard practice is “arming yourself to the teeth and shooting anything that moves”, perhaps you could show the evidence of that?

    With 222,000,000 owners possessing 280,000,000; there must be blood in the streets every day, right? Every fender bender a gun fight?

    Since you show so much insight into the psyche of those carry firearms for their defense, perhaps you would be willing to make this statement:

    is never going to fly in the United States of Highly Threatened Masculinity.

    At one of these sites:

    Home on the Range

    Looking for Lissa

    View from the Porch
    I especially would recommend this site to make that type of comment on.

    The Breda Fallacy

    Those are just a few sites, I’m sure others might suggest a few others where you should share your insight.

  25. #25 by jdberger on April 8, 2009 - 2:07 pm

    Every time I read a comment like that from one of the self-defense experts like Shane or Cliffy – I think that I am clearly doing it wrong. I’m not shooting anyone….

    Shane? Cliffy? Any suggestions on how to “shoot anything that moves” and still comply with the law?

    We could really use your input.

    I know that Cliffy is a self described “marksman” that had a day of training with the IDF – so clearly he must be on the level, but Shane, I know less about you.

    Do you teach self defense? If so, is it an aknowledged top tier school, or do you do it in your kitchen?

    Maybe Mom’s basement?

  26. #26 by Shane Smith on April 8, 2009 - 3:04 pm

    ….and with the typical whining over reactions from the gun nuts, i will rest my “Highly Threatened Masculinity” claim on their testimony.

    I simply commented, to Becky, that the first step in self defense is situational awareness and avoiding trouble. This can be compared to the “make my day punk” attitude that is often seen from the “Highly Threatened Masculinity” crowd. And there you have your reaction. First an asinine sexist screed before I even commented, and then a “my dick is bigger than yours and here are some web sites where they measure their dicks all the time, go there and say that!” comment.

    If ever I needed more evidence that men don’t use guns, rather little boys play with them, you lot are a big help.

  27. #27 by jdberger on April 8, 2009 - 3:51 pm

    Oh, Shane. You are sooooo persecuted.

    Did you look at the sites? All are run by women. Women are anatomicaly incapable of “dick measuring”, Shane.

    You also make the mistake of assuming that I am male.

    What’s the rest of your defense, Shane? That is was a poorly understood joke?

    Should we be more accepting of your vapid screeds, Shane?

  28. #28 by Becky on April 8, 2009 - 3:57 pm

    And to return to the original point: Words matter. Fear mongers’ words matter. Vulnerable people will take those words to heart and feel they must act on them. Most of us here know that much of the hyperbole is designed to elicit a certain reaction in the debate. But some people really don’t. Beck and others are, in essence, shouting “fire” in a theater by spreading lies about Obama and guns.

  29. #29 by Larry Bergan on April 8, 2009 - 4:07 pm

    What can we liberals say?

    All of you gun guys supported “president” shoot first and ask questions later for the last 8 years because of the only issue you really care about, (that you can bring the crazy down on anybody who tries to take your assault rifle away.)

    Glenn Beck incites violence and so does Ted Nugent. Live with it!

  30. #30 by Cliff on April 8, 2009 - 5:06 pm

    Larry and Shane have a point here. “Shoot first ask questions later” is a by product of the machismo Bush campaign.

    It has cost us dearly.

  31. #31 by jdberger on April 8, 2009 - 7:33 pm

    I thought that Obama’s views on “reasonable gun control” were pretty well established.

    Eric Holder only clarified them.

    Please, Becky, don’t try to tell the folks who closely follow the debate, the players, the path of legislation, the scholarship, the legal rulings and the social commentary whether Obama is lying (betraying another campaign promise) or not. We’re pretty on top of it.

    On the other hand, Beck is entertainment. So is Nugent. How Larry thinks they are “inciting violence” is beyond me. Maybe Larry has the aforementioned “Becky-sense”. (just razzin’ you, Becky – Larry – not so much).

  32. #32 by Larry Bergan on April 8, 2009 - 10:55 pm

    jd:

    So how Beck and Nugent are inciting violence is “beyond you”, huh? You said it, not me!

  33. #33 by mikeb302000 on April 8, 2009 - 10:58 pm

    Becky, Thanks for popping over to my blog. I’m glad to know you’re a fan of Uygur too. I’ve enjoyed your discussion with Bob and his friends. It’s evidence of how contentious these guys are. Bob and others have described pretty much the same awareness techniques you did in telling how responsible they are in carrying their guns. But when you called it intuition, you got a big argument for your trouble.

  34. #34 by Bob S. on April 9, 2009 - 3:24 am

    MikeB,

    Once again you prove that the anti-freedom, pro-ignorance crowd CAN”T READ.

    I didn’t give Becky a big argument for her description of situational awareness. I chided her on not being the “credentialed, degreed expert” required by CLIFF to spot people who may be unstable.

    I gave her grief over presenting that situational awareness as a predominately female trait and ability. Isn’t that a little sexist on her part?

    Thanks for backing me up on the fact that I’ve talked about that exact situational awareness.

    Maybe the anti-freedom, pro-ignorance crowd can make a deal with Sylvan Learning Centers or some other agency for group rates on a reading comprehension class.

    • #35 by Becky on April 9, 2009 - 3:58 am

      Well, Bob, I’m no psychologist. My comment didn’t really warrant peer-reviewed support. But since you’re going to be anal about this, here’s one that may help you (you, Bob) understand why women always seem to be one step ahead of you.

      Intuition: A Social Cognitive Neuroscience Approach

      There is strong and consistent evidence that women are better encoders and decoders of nonverbal communication (Hall, 1984), and this evidence has frequently been cited as possible evidence of women’s intuition (Graham & Ickes, 1997). Additionally, the hormone estrogen, present in greater quantities in women than men, directly affects the amount of DA [dopamine] released into the striatum (Becker, 1990; McDermott, Liu, & Dluzen, 1994; Mermelstein & Becker, 1995; Van Hartesveldt & Joyce, 1986).

      Greater DA release into the striatum in conjunction with reward should lead to the development of stronger representations of P [Predictor] -> R [Response] relationships that form more quickly, thus resulting in women’s intuition. Along these lines, Jennings, Janowsky, and Orwoll (1998) found that estrogen levels in women correlated with performance speed on a sequential learning task.

      [emphasis mine]

      Now, on with the my-study-is-better-than-your-study part of the debate.

  35. #36 by Bob S. on April 9, 2009 - 5:44 am

    Becky,

    Sorry but no my study is bigger then your study on this subject.

    Sorry if you took it the wrong way, but I was tweaking Cliff and only indirectly you about the “credentialed & qualified expert” bit.

    I think that many women are better at it, but it is definitely not solely limited to females. Nor do I think that you are wrong about people being able to spot trouble makers.

    Perhaps my comment was too subtle in my teasing/humor for you to pick up on?

  36. #37 by Becky on April 9, 2009 - 6:01 am

    Oh Bob, you kidder!

  37. #38 by Cliff on April 9, 2009 - 6:43 am

    Bob S,

    Where do you get,

    “credentialed, degreed expert” required by CLIFF to spot people who may be unstable.”

    I think if you actually understood my simple point, you would agree…or do you send you children to the doctor’s plumber down the street when they get sick.

  38. #39 by Bob S. on April 9, 2009 - 7:37 am

    Cliff,

    FROM YOU, you’ve repeatedly have asked people for their credentials, their qualifications, documentation of their expertise.

    You’ve repeatedly dismissed people’s comments or ideas because they didn’t have the proper credentials or at least wouldn’t prove it to you.

    do you send you children to the doctor’s plumber down the street when they get sick

    Actually, when they get sick my wife and I treat them first….imagine that no degree required, no credentials. Then if they don’t respond to that treatment we seek medical help.

    But notice that the fact that someone isn’t a doctor doesn’t keep them from being knowledgeable about medicine, home remedies, etc.

    Also, just because a person makes a living in one field, say plumbing to use your example that doesn’t mean they are not knowledgeable in other areas, say 2nd amendment rights.

    Your issue, it seems, is that unless a person has a degree, diploma, proper credentials, you discount their knowledge in that area.

  39. #40 by Weer'd Beard on April 9, 2009 - 8:26 am

    So what do you guys think of the .327 Federal Magnum?

    Pros: More fit in a standard-sized revolver wheel (that means six pills in a pocket gun, maybe over 10 in a large frame revolver)
    -Ballistics look very nice. Lots of muzzle velocity, and I’ve seen 110 Gr bullet loads, that would certainly out preform .38 Sp +P, certainly penetration would be good.
    -Not as much recoil as .357 Magnum.

    Cons: Small bullets. I’m a .45 Guy, I prefer slow and heavy and a big diameter. 110 Gr bullets sure beat the 90 Gr pills being tossed around by the new crop of .380 Pocket guns, but it still doesn’t stack up much to even 9x19mms wider heavier bullets.
    -New technology to an old market. The First DA Defensive revolvers were invented in the 19th century. The standard calibers of .38 Special, and .357 Magnum were invented in 1902 and 1930-somthing. There is all sorts of guns, and ammo, and speed loaders for those cartridges, but for the moment not for the .327.
    -expensive ammo (as with anything new….gets worse if the cartridge doesn’t catch on, like .45 GAP)

    So what do you guys think?

  40. #41 by Cliff on April 9, 2009 - 9:19 am

    So Bob S, When your kid doesn’t respond to your home brew, you go to the doctor’s plumber?

    When your child is very sick, do you take medical advice from the retired English teacher down the road, or do you seek someone with medical credentials.

    Be real Bob, your tune changes may be music to your ears, but it is sounds like oral farting to us.

  41. #42 by jdberger on April 9, 2009 - 10:51 am

    So Bob S, When your kid doesn’t respond to your home brew, you go to the doctor’s plumber?

    When your child is very sick, do you take medical advice from the retired English teacher down the road, or do you seek someone with medical credentials.

    Be real Bob, your tune changes may be music to your ears, but it is sounds like oral farting to us.

    Are you saying, Cliff, that all of your arguments are bullshit because you aren’t a credentialed researcher or criminologist?

    Geez – you don’t even have a college degree.

  42. #43 by jdberger on April 9, 2009 - 10:59 am

    Weer’d.

    I have hopes for the .327. Remember, the .40 was once new, also (and not so long ago – all those Jericho owners are kicking themselves).

    .357 is just so “barky”. Even with good muffs the blast is a little much. I also think (not sure) that you can shoot .32 mag in it.

    I’m a .45 guy, too – but there’s something about the concealability of a teeny j-frame. A woman could carry one on a cord around her neck (between her breasts) and it would amost disappear. I bet Cliff would have plenty of room to tuck one in a Speedo and no one would know the difference (yes, Cliffy – that’s the first time I’ve ever made a dick-joke at your expense). They’re ankle friendly, etc….

    Anyway – you can always reload.

    • #44 by Becky on April 9, 2009 - 12:01 pm

      I’m a .45 guy, too

      Finally, jd admits to being a guy.

  43. #45 by Weer'd Beard on April 9, 2009 - 11:27 am

    Yep the .327 Mag can also chamber .32 H&R mag, and .32 S&W (if anybody has some of that old dusty stuff lying around. Might also be able to chamber 7.62 Nagant from the Russian Nagant revolver, but you may need to check on that)

    BTW My wife carries a S&W 638 usally IWB. She likes the nice small light package, and prefers wheel-guns.

  44. #46 by jdberger on April 9, 2009 - 11:40 am

    Well, look at that.

    What a great reason to stock up on bullets and brass.

    Fortunately, the hoarders are concentrating on 9mm/.40/.45 and .223/.308.

    Oddball calibers like .327 and 6.8 SPC have been affected less.

  45. #47 by Weer'd Beard on April 9, 2009 - 11:52 am

    Well I’ve got a decent hoard, not for any post-apocalyptic reason, just I handload to save money, so I grab every bit of reloadable brass I find, and buy in bulk just because it’s cheaper per-round that way, and never goes bad if properly stored.

  46. #48 by jdberger on April 9, 2009 - 1:16 pm

    it’s a colloquialism, Becky.

    The nueter form didn’t work in the statement.

    “I’m a .45 person, too”
    “I’m a .45 human, too”

    doesn’t quite flow, does it?

    And the feminine was too specific.

    Fortunately, in English, we’ve been able to fight off most of the 2nd wave feminists who insisted on neuter nouns and pronouns.

    (What ever happened to Andrea Dworkin, anyway?)

    and to take it along a completely different tangent, was there ever an odder couple than Catherine MacKinnon and Charles Keating….?

  47. #49 by Becky on April 9, 2009 - 1:42 pm

    JD,

    How did I know you were going to say that? Nice try, but I don’t buy it. You could have said, “I prefer the .45 . . .” or some other form to continue to hide your gender. I never thought you talked like a woman. Your charade is up.

  48. #50 by jdberger on April 9, 2009 - 1:54 pm

    How did I know you were going to say that?

    Women’s intuition? ; )

    I never thought you talked like a woman.

    You mean my inflection? The way I roll my “r”s?

    How does a woman “talk”?

    .45 guy….it rhymes, too.

    Anyway, it’s not necessary to convince you, Becky.

    I don’t write as a “man” nor do I write as a “woman”. It’s simply unimportant (except to Cliff who looks down on white males for some strange reason).

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