Has Obama Caved to Wall Street?

Especially for Ken and anyone suffering from the wishful thinking that we liberals are obedient, loyal followers like Bushies. Surprise surprise, we Democrats are as critical of Democrats as they are of scum sucking war criminals, liars, chimps, and their handlers on the other side of the aisle.

We are rebuilding the same edifice. We are re-establishing the primacy of the same companies. We are still building in a too-big-to-fail structure so that so that we as taxpayers will be guarantors of companies that when they get into trouble again, we will bail them out. None of this is being confronted by the administration as they, and we through our tax dollars, resuscitate a broken system – Spitzer interview below.

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For those of you who still question the premise that liberals/Democrats are equal opportunity critics, just go visit ANY of the bastions of deep, intellectual, progressive thought and action. Viewed objectively (impossible for authoritarian follows) these sites actually reflect near perfect objectivity.

Huffington Post, Daily Kos, FiredoglakeAmericablog, Andrew Sullivan, Truthdig, Think Progress, Rolling Stone just to name a few.

As children, well into adulthood and sometimes throughout life (the twenty percenters) we think everybody thinks like us. This Darwinian trait is over expressed in the conservative mind and most recently, largely responsible for the circular firing squad on the right.

According to science, the authoritarian mind views others first in terms of tribal identification as measured by loyalty.  Those who agree with me vs those who don’t.  That’s why the Republican party is purging itself.  Disagreement with the party line means exile while in the Democratic party you have the ‘Big Tent’ thing.

This fact is well illustrated among politicos like Mitt Romney, John McCain, Steele, even Spectre whose position change with the prevailing wind.  What we are seeing today is confusion about where the wind is coming from for a community that needs a helmsman, a leader to follow.

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  1. #1 by glenn on May 13, 2009 - 8:41 am

    The was no chance the entrenched elite would place a man into power who(that, as he may not have a soul) would not do their bidding. Follow the money, Cui Bono, who benefits, and you will discover who (really what, as it has no soul) rules us.

    Answer to the question Cliff? Is another question, as self explanatory as your own…, “does a bear shit in the woods”?

  2. #2 by glenn on May 13, 2009 - 8:57 am

    Not to change the subject, but I believe our Wall Street policy to be directly related to our foreign policy, the question should be “Has Obama caved to Cheney”? “Welcome to the Dark Side, my young apprentice”, says the Sith Lord Emperor Cheney.

  3. #3 by glenn on May 13, 2009 - 9:05 am

    Ever think how convenient the elite may find that Obama has two small girls, a beautiful wife, and a family that obviously loves him? A penchant for some good times?

    Never count out what Larry Sinclair has to say, may be the Truth, not that I really care.

    So easy to compromise. He has an ego, he will need to protect it. He will be doing, exactly what he is told.

  4. #4 by Richard Warnick on May 13, 2009 - 9:07 am

    Maybe I can’t see all of the post, but the quote looks unattributed on my screen. I’m guessing it’s from Eliot Spitzer’s interview with Rachel Maddow last night.

  5. #5 by Ken on May 13, 2009 - 9:33 am

    Just like I once told you Cliff, you are more disappointed when your friends let you down.

  6. #6 by Cliff on May 13, 2009 - 9:53 am

    Thats my point Ken (if you are reading the updated narrative at the bottom of the post).

    If I understand the meaning of: “when your friends let you down.”

    You mean when someone you thought agreed with you or “belonged to your tribe, changes course or disagrees with you politically that this constitutes a friend letting you down?

    Such a statement illustrates perfectly my point…that friendship requires common loyalties or visa versa, that agreement constitutes friendship or tribal membership.

    So now, consider our friendship. Because we have never agreed on ANYTHING, our friendship is fundamentally different because it transcends tribal membership.

    Free of such requirement, what remains is of better substance.

    This is a real problem for authoritarians especially in family relationships. The authoritarian father use trades agreement and loyalty for respect and love.

    For your own sake as a father, do not let this happen to your family. Do not confuse world view or political OR religious persuasion with love.

    This problem is quite pronounced in the LDS religion where love is all too often a currency pegged to religious conformity.

  7. #7 by Frank Staheli on May 13, 2009 - 12:29 pm


    The thing that I have been most pleasantly surprised about is what you speak of here. Soon after Obama took office I began noticing that HuffingtonPost, Truthdig, and DemocracyNow! were not just parroting the Democrat party line, but indeed offered any and all criticism where they thought it was due.

    I apologize for perhaps having in the back of my mind that you and others at OneUtah would give Obama a pass here and there. I particularly appreciate the concern in your article that he IS caving to Wall Street, because I share it.

    The only thing is–I saw this all coming months ago. Did you? Did the rest of you? I agree with glenn’s first comment:

    The was no chance the entrenched elite would place a man into power who(that, as he may not have a soul) would not do their bidding.

    That’s why I was (and still am) a die-hard Ron Paul fan. Ralph Nader, as well, would have been a much better choice than Obama.

  8. #8 by Cliff on May 13, 2009 - 12:59 pm


    Check out DailyKos, they are even more relentlessly critical of Obama.

    But I disagree that the entrenched elite “place Obama”. You will remember how hard the “entrenched elite” pushed for Hillary. Remember all the noise about counting caucuses and Michigan?

    They tried everything in the book to stop Obama BECAUSE they were backing Hillary.

    So Obama prevailed IN SPITE of the entrenched elite.

    Now, being the brilliant man he is, Obama rejected the very real option to ignore the “entrenched elite.”

    I think (and hope) that what we are seeing now from Obama is a strategy designed to build let the majority in Congress to lay the ground work for the coming challenges to the ‘elite’. He will make the Congress push for things like investigations and the various super-liberal legislation that we demand from him.

    For example, he could have insisted that single-payer advocates be represented in the health care negotiations. But he understands his constituency and knows full well we will rise up and demand single-payer and he will eventually succumb to ‘the people’ while all the time feigning surrender (to the various lobbies).

    I think he’s being very smart by letting the grassroots lead this fight rather than pulling power moves.

    You cannot overestimate the popular mandate he has. Its there in spades and it is in his best interest to sustain the highest most fevered pitch from them.

    Obama has at his disposal this most powerful weapon and he will wield it very cleverly. Watch closely.

    Great to hear from you!


  9. #9 by Richard Warnick on May 13, 2009 - 1:45 pm


    You refer to “the Democrat party,” but its full name is now the “Democrat Socialist Party” according to the Republican National Committee 😉

  10. #10 by glenn on May 13, 2009 - 2:22 pm

    Let’s hope he knows his security staff personally.

    Obama has no popular mandate, and what support he has is from largely uninitiated first time voters. The support that counts, the intelligent people that voted for him on the change mantra, are evaporating rapidly.

    Given the ongoing debacle and spending spree, I expect if anything Democrats to lose seats in the next election, to their own party replacements that will do what people want (stop borrowing and spending) or a republican even. This is not going to evolve into a lock step situation for Obama.

    You must be high Cliff, Hillary was not the elites choice, she had been stabbed in the back so many times, this is a preposterous propositon. Obama was the chosen one, the party leadership all sucked up to it from the start. He is so much more easy to manipulate and control than Hillary would ever be. She’s her own by now, fought all of them left and right, and was still standing. We blew it voting this guy in.

  11. #11 by glenn on May 13, 2009 - 2:28 pm

    Whistling past the graveyard you are Cliff. Good luck.

  12. #12 by Cliff on May 13, 2009 - 2:37 pm

    K Glenn,

    Try to focus.

    If the “entrenched elite” did not pick Obama or Hillary then how are they the “entrenched elite?”

    Do they have names? Where do they get their influence?

    This oughta be good

  13. #13 by Cliff Lyon on May 13, 2009 - 2:57 pm

    I’ve finally gotten around to a new theme for OneUtah to take advantage of all the new features of WordPress.

    I appreciate your patience during this process.

    As you see problems or if you have any comments or advice, preferences or general feedback, please post them here.

    If anyone would like to take a stab at the header graphic, feel free to download the PSD here and have at it.

    This is the peoples blog so tell me what you want. Now is also a good time to add new plugins. There are lots of new cool ones.

  14. #14 by Walter E. Simendinger on May 13, 2009 - 3:12 pm

    They did pick him, you are aprt and parcel of that elite Cliff. Think of your past economic outlooks and the disregard in general you have for the average American. He was picked the most popular, most malleable candidate. He is the candidate of fools, and there are always more of them than the perceptive. As Obama doesn’t have much for American traditions and culture, or the Constitution, he was the perfect Manchurian Candidate for the destruction of the People’s and American sovereignty. That is the “change” he was talking about as his handlers operated his marionette controls.

    • #15 by Cliff Lyon on May 13, 2009 - 3:25 pm

      YEAH!!!! I’m one of the entrenched elite! And with only one vote.

      So what were you guys saying about me?

  15. #16 by Walter E. Simendinger on May 13, 2009 - 3:29 pm

    Of course you are Cliff, and you know, this progressive schtick is all an act. Be upstream when the levee breaks.

  16. #17 by cav on May 13, 2009 - 5:18 pm

    I’m comforted by this revelaton.

    Somehow I knew there must be more than one entrenched elite.

    Still, between the pulls of all those very powerful, very rich, multi-national corporate heads and profiteers, as selfishly, treacherously well mannered as they so often are, Obama needs to carve out a little space to steer this titanic snafooo away from the cliff. I wish him luck with that.

  17. #18 by Simple Utah Mormon Politics on May 16, 2009 - 3:17 pm


    You make a good point about Obama’s Single-Payer health care strategy (let me be clear, but not with an intention to change the subject of your post–I oppose single payer). It will be interesting to see if it plays out that way. The recent hearings of the Senate Finance Committee were interrupted incessantly by supporters of single-payer, and the chairman, a Senator Baucus told the audience over and over that single-payer was not an option that would be considered. A ploy…?

  18. #19 by Cliff Lyon on May 16, 2009 - 3:30 pm

    Frank, why dont you like single-payer? You got stock in a medical billing software? Insurance company?

  19. #20 by cav on May 16, 2009 - 4:10 pm

    It is reflective of the quality of our supposed ‘democracy’ that while many many people are supportive of single payer, it is”not an option” from the perspective of the villiage mind trust.

    Some democracy.

  20. #21 by jdberger on May 19, 2009 - 2:23 pm

    Frank, why dont you like single-payer? You got stock in a medical billing software? Insurance company?

    Maybe he doesn’t like the idea of getting a colonoscopy from those go-getters at the DMV.

    Cliffy? Didn’t you mention that Medicare was really really well run? Did you neglect to mention that it was almost out of money?

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