Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

This is toooooo funny h/t HuffPost

The inimitable Andy Cobb is at it again, taking libertarians to task for their hatred of all things government. You know what has no government? Somalia. So Cobb and the Public Service Administration have made this video encouraging libertarians to vacation in the broken country maintained by “rational self interest and libertarian magic dust.”

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on May 6, 2009 - 11:44 am

    I flirted with Libertarianism in my ignorant younger days (early 1970s). I even met some of the folks who then called themselves “anarcho-capitalists.” Then I graduated from college and joined the real world.

    Little did I know that the anarcho-capitalists would later achieve their dreams in Iraq.

  2. #2 by Cliff on May 6, 2009 - 11:58 am

    So it really is about education?

    It seems to me that to be an American Libertarian one must suspend reality permanently, especially when driving on a paved road or using the urinal in a public toilet.

    How’s come I see so many Ron Paul stickers on the cars and campers at the rest stops on I-70?

  3. #3 by Jona Parks on May 6, 2009 - 12:15 pm

    Libertarians want limited government, not no government. Considering that our GNP is going to be comprised of 50% government spending in te near future, it looks like the statists have gone off the deep end. It cannot end well.

    Most roads these days and infrastructure are being built privately Cliff, the government just collects the money. Good thing too, as most government run agencies are just a tad inefficient.

  4. #4 by Cliff on May 6, 2009 - 12:41 pm

    2 things Jona (GLenn)

    Most roads these days and infrastructure are being built privately Cliff, the government just collects the money.

    Wrong.

    Good thing too, as most government run agencies are just a tad inefficient.

    Wrong.

    1. Medicaid is run much more efficiently than any comparable in the private health care system.

    2. Turns our Army Corp of Engineers is way more efficient than KBR at rebuilding.

    3. I think everyone agrees Freddy and Fannie were better run under government.

    Truth is Glenn, the claim that government is less efficient than the corporate run things has never been demonstrated but rather supported at best with corrupt anecdotal stories.

    I’m surprised given your impeccably high standards for evidence, that you would so compromise your integrity as to parrot the Right.

    Im embarrassed for you.

  5. #5 by jdberger on May 6, 2009 - 12:46 pm

    Political Science degree, huh?

    You’ve confused Libertarianism with Anarchism.

    Truth is Glenn, the claim that government is less efficient than the corporate run things has never been demonstrated but rather supported at best with corrupt anecdotal stories.

    USPS vs FEDEX

    1. Medicaid is run much more efficiently than any comparable in the private health care system.

    Laughable.

    So are the rest of your assertions.

    Truth is, you’re mistaken, Cliff.

  6. #6 by Cliff on May 6, 2009 - 12:56 pm

    OK JD,

    Why don’t you explain the policy platform of the current Libertarian Party.

    btw: My assertions are correct and you know it.

    Thanks for bringing up the US Postal Service. They averaged about a BILLION dollar profit per year for the past five.

    But don’t bother learning anything that might interfere with your closely held delusions. You’re MUCH more effective at sarcasm and cynicism.

  7. #7 by Walter E. Simendinger on May 6, 2009 - 1:02 pm

    Medicaid is not efficient, reimbursement to the doctors is running below 60% of billing Cliff. That is why, you can’t find doctors that will take on medicaid patients.

    You know nothing about this.

  8. #8 by .45 on May 6, 2009 - 1:06 pm

    Apart from being wrong on regular basis, why are you talking to ghost? You seem to be losing it Cliff.

  9. #9 by One libertarian on May 6, 2009 - 3:11 pm

    Typical interventionist propaganda from statist-apologist Cliff Young. Ignore the role that U.S. foreign policy has played in destabilizing Somalia. Then blame liberty.

    As Harry Browne said, the one thing the state gang does very well is break your legs, hand you a pair of crutches, and claim that if it wasn’t for the state gang you wouldn’t be able to walk.

    Against All Flags: Questions and answers about pirates and Somalia

  10. #10 by One libertarian on May 6, 2009 - 4:05 pm

    Oops … Cliff Lyon, not Cliff Young. ;)

  11. #11 by Eric Dondero on May 7, 2009 - 10:48 am

    Please Liberals, keep attacking Libertarians. As a Right Libertarian, you’re making my job much, much easier in convincing my Left Libertarian friends that Liberals are the true enemies of Freedom.

    The more you attack us, the more you push the Left Libertarians to the Right. And it’s working. Last night I had one of my “Marijuana Legalizer” Left Libertarian buddies call me up to say, that I was right all along. After watching Obama for a few months, he’s realized, that Democrats are the absolute enemy of all Libertarians.

    This is great! Please keep it up!!

  12. #12 by Cliff on May 7, 2009 - 2:22 pm

    Wow Eric,

    Thanks for the warning. I would point out that words like “true enemies of freedom” tend to inure to the perception of an intellectual deficit across the libertarian community.

    We ‘liberals’ are not a ‘group’. Liberals are independent thinkers who happen to comprise a majority of American.

    None of us claim to represent the others though I am honored by the suggestion.

  13. #13 by Richard Warnick on May 7, 2009 - 2:28 pm

    I’ve been away from Libertarianism a long time. There are now so-called Libertarians who don’t favor legalizing marijuana? How did that happen?

  14. #14 by One libertarian on May 7, 2009 - 4:18 pm

    I suspect Mr. Dondero was referring to a Libertarian who ranks marijuana policy reform as a greater priority over other libertarian policy proposals, such as a public audit of the Federal Reserve.

    I know that there are Libertarians who don’t favor legalizing marijuana, preferring decriminalization or even the current prohibition, just as there are anti-abortion and pro-militarism Democrats.

    As a “pro-defense patriot” military welfarist, Mr. Dondero loves him some Scoop Jackson Democrats, dontcha Eric?

  15. #15 by Ken on May 7, 2009 - 6:58 pm

    Cliff

    The majority of Americans are ‘liberal’ in the classical sense; i.e. Lovers of liberty, suspicious and resistant to government encroachment, then you are right but if you are implying that the majority of Americans are leftists then you are wrong.

  16. #16 by Cliff on May 7, 2009 - 8:01 pm

    Well Ken,

    Apparently the majority of Americans want single payer health care and full marriage equality for Gays.

    Who’s more leftist than that?

  17. #17 by Sally on May 7, 2009 - 8:56 pm

    I just heard Joe The Plumber, world’s best loved idiot, is a libertarian.
    .
    .

    ..
    We’ll be expecting great things from u guys.

  18. #18 by Walter E. Simendinger on May 8, 2009 - 11:28 am

    Federal legalization puts marijuana under the control of the Federal government, if you like your wine prices, then you will love your new marijuana tax.

    Decriminalization ends law enforcement of the behavior while leaving the Feds to languish and find another means of funding its inefficient ways. It is a win win for everyone but the Statists.

  19. #19 by One libertarian on May 9, 2009 - 5:35 pm

    Sally wrote:

    I just heard Joe The Plumber, world’s best loved idiot, is a libertarian.

    That label came courtesy of some pointy-headed progressive elitist on Keith Olbermann’s show.

    I could call Sally a “sycophantic c*&t” … that doesn’t necessarily make her one.

    Joe the Plumber echoes the view that the U.S. military “liberated” Iraq … instead of occupied it.

    Not very libertarian.

  20. #20 by Sally on May 9, 2009 - 5:45 pm

    I guess what I should have said is Libertarians have dicks for brains which might explain why there is no such thing as a libertarian “c*&t”

  21. #21 by One libertarian on May 11, 2009 - 10:11 am

    Collective deprecation and mythmaking seems to be Sally’s m.o.

    The liberty movement is richer for the contributions from the likes of Emma Goldman, Wendy McElroy, and Mary Ruwart … too name but a few.

    As far as I’m concerned, the c*&ts can continue to plague civil society from within the progressive movement and the Democratic Party.

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