NRA = American Domestic Terrorists

This is how you know the NRA noise machine is too loud.

Obama-Allied Unions Threatened With Gun Violence For Town Hall Participation

Callers who reached both the front desk and the communications department compared the union officials to Nazis, union aides say. On Twitter, organizers of the town hall protest urged people to take pictures and write down the license plate numbers of attending SEIU officials. More alarming than anything else, angry callers and protesters pledged to take up arms against the union.

“If ACORN/SEIU attends these meetings for disruptive purposes, and you have a license to carry….carry,” read one tweet.

“I suggest you tell your people to calm down, act like American citizens, and stop trying to repress people’s First Amendment rights,” one caller warned. “That, or you all are gonna come up against the Second Amendment.”

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  1. #1 by Linoge on August 8, 2009 - 10:36 am

    So defending one’s person from bodily harm now amounts to “terrorism”? Interesting, that…

  2. #2 by Oscar the Grouch on August 8, 2009 - 11:56 am

    Getting the sense things far beyond what you imagined? Plain and simple, when amongst the goons, walk softly and carry a big stick. Assault is assault, and can be met with deadly force of any kind. All that is needed is a warning. “Getting in people’s faces” can be felony menacing even without arms. All people involved should take heed, left and right.

    SEIU should know that violence begets itself, as should the callers, if they exist, no telling that it would be nothing to make this call from a payphone from a member wishing to make dissenters look bad. All should consider the strategy of responding to dissent with physical and psychic intimidation.

    This amounts to nothing more than Cliff using this site to fan the flames. Must have read my Sam Adams post. Just shows that despite time, evolution in the intelligence of much of the populace has not evolved with it. Their emotions can be whipped by a whisper or a shout.

    I mean Cliff, you have admitted to me running a phony letter writing campaign to the Deseret news years back to push the dialogue, so whatever you post in this regard is suspect. Just remember you aren’t Sam, he had guns, was willing to use them, and a bunch of friends willing to use them.

    If the right to petition grievances fall on deaf ears, and the State comes for your money, properties and inalienable rights, mice might quail, but some people do not.

  3. #3 by Larry Bergan on August 8, 2009 - 1:22 pm

    Oscar the Grouch is muppet glenn.

    • #4 by Richard Warnick on August 8, 2009 - 1:33 pm

      A sock muppet. I like it, he ought to stick with Oscar The Grouch.

      • #5 by Larry Bergan on August 8, 2009 - 1:45 pm

        glenn is bitching about phony letter writing campaigns. As Bill Moyers is often forced to say:

        “We’re not making this up.”

        • #6 by glenn on August 8, 2009 - 2:40 pm

          Not bitching Larry, accepting. Did you know that Bush and Moyers share a similar quality?

          They both drive drunk and have convictions. (laugh)

          • #7 by Larry Bergan on August 9, 2009 - 12:39 am

            I don’t believe in driving drunk and never do it, but I thought bringing up Bush’s conviction in the election was kind of silly. It was WAY before MADD and there was SO much less traffic back in those days, I believe almost everybody who drank did it to some extent; especially in Texas, (where Moyers is from also.)

            Can you imagine what Karl Rove would have done, (and could have, considering they owed the media by that time), if it had come out that Gore had had a similar conviction?

            Be honest now.

          • #8 by Larry Bergan on August 10, 2009 - 2:29 pm

            It seems Moyers was only convicted of negligent driving and being the honest man that he is, admitted to a little campaign and wine at a friends birthday party.

            The breathalyzer must have been defective, huh?

            Chronkite also imbibed, but I would say he couldn’t hold a candle to Moyer’s great perfect journalism.

  4. #9 by Larry Bergan on August 8, 2009 - 1:34 pm

    So the Republicans launch a phony grass roots movement to shut down an intelligent and more-then-important conversation about Americans dying or losing everything to the health care industry and then Hannity and Limbaugh tell us it’s the liberals starting the trouble. This isn’t funny, It could become deadly!

    But there was a hopeful reply to a Paul Krugman article about this charade from a Moab resident calling him/herself acemoab:

    I attended a demonstration for single payer healthcare yesterday at a town hall meeting with my federal representative. This was loosely organized by the Moab Area Progressive Network. Being too angry to go inside and talk to Blue Dog Jim Matheson, (D) Utah, I stood at the curb of Highway 191 in Moab and held out a huge sign that said “For Profit Healthcare is Deathcare.” Two friends held signs saying “Single Payer Now.” I have picketed for many causes over the years, but never with such an enthusiastic response from the people passing by. Despite one thumbs down by a woman in a Lexus, I received hundreds of smiles, thumbs up, honks, and other signs of appreciation. A surprising number of people stopped and took handouts from my group. Commercial drivers, city and county employees including the Sheriff and local Police were unusually receptive. The four workers in a local health department car smiled and waved at our group. If this can happen in conservative Utah, you ought to try it where you live. This is an interesting moment.

    I don’t know if Matheson is going to have any town hall meetings in the Salt Lake area. He seems to prefer telephone conversations here, but, like the commenter, I am probably too angry to attend one of those myself.

  5. #10 by Oscar the Grouch on August 8, 2009 - 1:35 pm

    Ya think Larry? Where is your proof? Geeze, you are a bigger idiot than I thought. Sorry but like Jim stated, ad hominem has a place.

    Have nothing else to contribute? Please let people know that Glenn supports single payer, and have read about his support of it in posts in his own name. Do you think perhaps it wasn’t him, and someone pretending to be him? Hmm…

    If your mind be someone’s buddy
    you will be subject to thoughts quite muddy
    the truth of things, requires an open mind
    ground not covered, I think you will find

    produces thoughts you may not like
    most learn this as little a tyke
    though many more replace their intellect
    with someone else’s thoughts neglect
    and when what you believed is fully wrecked
    I would ask you,

    What did you expect?

    Maybe you can work for the snitch department in Obama’s DC. You would wouldn’t you?

    Read

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_33/b4143034820260.htm?campaign_id=magazine_related

    • #11 by Larry Bergan on August 8, 2009 - 1:52 pm

      So what’s the deal glenn? Are you saying that when you’re talking sense, you post in your real name and when you’re trying to destroy the conversation, you use a myriad and plethora of other names?

  6. #12 by Richard Warnick on August 8, 2009 - 1:37 pm

    Violent threats are now standard right-wing rhetoric. I heard more examples today at the “Take Back Utah” rally. I’ll do a post about that tonight.

  7. #13 by glenn on August 8, 2009 - 2:23 pm

    One thing is absolutely certain Larry, you will never know until you meet me. Should that happen, it might make sense. Stop fixating on the personality and answer well to the facts or points. I judge myself fair at it either way, sure have you thinking only one thing when you imagine it is me, whoever is doing it. You are lost Larry.

    So if a thug threatens you Richard, do you warn them of the implications? I wouldn’t, let them reveal, act, and then get theirs. Threatening people is no game, whoever is doing it. The folks that are telling people they will defend themselves from assault are being quite generous. Warnings are warnings, and hold up well in court if violence and persecution commences upon you.

    As I said in a prior post, all sides must be careful, the issue is red hot, and if spilled, you can burn down the house. Wake up, people are pissed, if you think is orchestrated so what? All politics is orchestrated.

    “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way”.

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    “Never believe anything until it is officially denied”

    Otto von Bismarck

    Great minds think alike. From the man who gave you the New Deal, and the man that created the very first social security system in history, in the 1870’s. Go figure.

    • #14 by Larry Bergan on August 8, 2009 - 2:36 pm

      One thing is absolutely certain Larry, you will never know until you meet me. Should that happen, it might make sense.

      What’s that supposed to mean? Lon Chaney never died?

  8. #15 by glenn on August 8, 2009 - 2:45 pm

    That you are an idiot? That you don’t know me? That Larry’s world is largely a fantasy? Take your pick.

    Have anything to say about the facts presented? Go back to your bong buddy.

    • #16 by Larry Bergan on August 9, 2009 - 1:04 am

      Concerning the bong:

      If I may humbly quote Simon & Garfunkel:

      Yes I would, if I only could, I surely would.

  9. #17 by Cliff Lyon on August 8, 2009 - 2:46 pm

    Linoge,

    How do you get ‘self-defense’ here? The gun freak chick made a direct threat.

    Particularly interesting that today, thanks to Mr. “cold dead hands” a reference to the Second amendment is a death threat.

    We should be very honest about how stupid these people are. It is not only possible, but likely that these people think the Second Amendment makes it legal to shoot someone who disagrees with you for violating your First amendment right to free speech.

    Before Obama brought the serious freaks out into day light, I would have thought, ‘nobody could seriously be that stupid.’

    Buts that’s no longer the case. These people, these pro-life, tea party, birthers, astroturfers and all the assholes stockpiling ammo, these people are our Taliban.

    The NIE warning was right on. Its time to start confiscating guns NOW!

    • #18 by Linoge on August 8, 2009 - 7:19 pm

      How do you get ’self-defense’ here?

      Easy:

      “If ACORN/SEIU attends these meetings for disruptive purposes, and you have a license to carry….carry,”

      SEIU has demonstrated that they are willing to use force. Self-defense is a natural right, and warning someone that if they exert force on you, you will protect yourself, is hardly a “threat”.

      The gun freak chick made a direct threat.

      And liberals have never made threats. EVER.

      These people, these pro-life, tea party, birthers, astroturfers and all the assholes stockpiling ammo, these people are our Taliban.

      Nope, no stereotyping, intolerance, discrimination, or bigotry there… nope, none at all.

      Its time to start confiscating guns NOW!

      So, when should I pencil you in, Cliff? Or are you still too much of a coward to back up your own words with actions?

      Also, way to go on the whole “abridging all American’s rights on the basis of one woman’s comments” thing. Stereotyping of that magnitude is something only someone of your intelligence level could come up with.

      • #19 by Rob on August 13, 2009 - 8:19 am

        Oh…… my…… gosh! This has got to be the FUNNIEST bunch of crap I have ever heard. I won’t be surprised if this has made it’s way around the entire interwebs by now.

  10. #20 by Oscar the Grouch on August 8, 2009 - 2:54 pm

    Uh, it is from a un sourced phone call, don’t respond to it. By now, all truth is out the window. It’s on now, and the left knows this is their last stand.

    “We should be very honest about how stupid these people are. It is not only possible, but likely that these people think the Second Amendment makes it legal to shoot someone who disagrees with you for violating your First amendment right to free speech”.

    Absolute desperation. Are you volunteering for martyrdom Cliff?

    read this

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_33/b4143034820260.htm?campaign_id=magazine_related

    Larry after you get stoned, you can hang out in my garbage can, there’s room.

    We can see how well disarming Iraq and Afghanistan went, you really are the insane one Cliff, and people know what you are doing, generating chaos, by way of deception, shall we make war. Don’t fall for it Linoge.

  11. #21 by Cliff Lyon on August 8, 2009 - 3:13 pm

    I dont think Linoge needs your help Glenn.

    the left knows its their last stand

    Interesting perspective. May I assume you regard the victor to be corporate America?

  12. #22 by Oscar the Grouch on August 8, 2009 - 3:32 pm

    There is no doubt. Did you read the article? Obama is their bitch. Man, I can only say that I knew this day was coming in how I met my wife, and the related story of IBM in Vermont.

    The castle is the insurance companies, the Picti heathens (the progressive public) has imagined they can storm the ramparts and rule what they don’t even understand in terms of power. Oh yeah, the stupid heathens do not understand that the Romans lit the messengers torches 15 years ago, and vats of boiling oil and projectiles readied for years await them. Obama is the spy in their midst. lies like a rug, makes Bush blush.

    Expect a rout. Well it is already a rout, and the fools are impaling themselves on the hidden spikes. The town meeting riders are just a diversion to drag the idiot mob off to their doom, the Roman cavalry and maniples are right at hand, and DAMN they are good!!

    Fascism ever and always is smarter than most.

    Mind the crown now, the birther of all corporatism, or as Mussolini alluded, the true name for Fascism. I think Biden is channeling Mussolini, they cannot keep his mouth shut from uttering truth.

    We have come full circle.

  13. #23 by Oscar the Grouch on August 8, 2009 - 4:08 pm

    The town meeting riders are the hastati, when they get in too deep, the experienced come forward

    Politics is just war without deadly weapons, and weaponized war just an extension of politics. This is Realpolitik polisci adherent, and will likely always be.

    Until Jesus comes, because that beautiful myth changes the dynamic, real or not. Perception rules the day, the future. If I can make you believe in lies, I know what you will do, every time.

    Even the driven heathen like Boudicca( 61 AD) was destroyed by the Roman Fascism. Arminius (Herman the Coruscer) was a different story (7 AD). The heathens win when there is no discussion to invite deception. They war for Freedom, self determination. Herman had subjugated people for Rome, he knew the intellectual trap. Nothing to do but truly battle for all the future.

    Do you see our committed enemies talking with us? Never, our political speech is the Siren Song, those opposed make themselves deaf and fight. This is ancient truth. I’m sure it terrifies some. but it invigorates those that matter.

    So there, the path is clear
    Never fear.

    I want Obama
    to clean my garbage up
    I know it is possible
    he said yes we can
    I am just wondering,
    if he truly is da man.

    I am moving on, he isn’t it.

  14. #24 by Cliff Lyon on August 8, 2009 - 7:16 pm

    Here’s how it works in the real world Glenn. Accepting all your dire predictions, Obama is the best we could have hoped for.

    Our best bet is to support the hell out of him. Terminal cynicism is non grata.

    You will decide for you which tack you will take.

    • #25 by Larry Bergan on August 10, 2009 - 10:10 pm

      I think that’s tact, but AMEN!

      As a man who hasn’t always used tact, (due to anger), I apologize to some.

  15. #26 by Oscar the Grouch on August 9, 2009 - 1:51 am

    MADD and the old days? Moyer’s offense occurred in 2004 if I am not mistaken.

    Clinton didn’t inhale…oooooh uh huh..

  16. #27 by Oscar the Grouch on August 9, 2009 - 1:54 am

    Fix your spam filter Cliff.

    Only been this way since long before we all voted. I would say I told you so, but what would that prove anything other than my prognostication skills?

    Nothing more worthless than a realized prediction.

    Won’t get me a job in this economy

  17. #28 by Oscar the Grouch on August 9, 2009 - 1:56 am

    “Accepting all your dire predictions, Obama is the best we could have hoped for”.

    Accepting your shilling for the tool…

    Fuck you, and obama.

  18. #29 by mike w. on August 10, 2009 - 6:50 am

    Buts that’s no longer the case. These people, these pro-life, tea party, birthers, astroturfers and all the assholes stockpiling ammo, these people are our Taliban.

    The NIE warning was right on. Its time to start confiscating guns NOW!

    Well I can tell you one thing, if you start confiscating guns you’ll have ensured a self-fulfilling prophecy. We are not the American version of the Taliban, and we sure as hell arent terrorists, but if we start large scale confiscation efforts I fully expect that some folks would start shootin’.

    Oh, and if you want confiscations I suggest you personally go door to door. Oh that’s right, you’re a coward and would instead have armed thugs do it for you.

  19. #30 by Cliff Lyon on August 10, 2009 - 7:24 am

    Oh, and if you want confiscations I suggest you personally go door to door. Oh that’s right, you’re a coward

    And that pretty much sums up the gun freak crowd.

  20. #31 by Cliff Lyon on August 10, 2009 - 7:27 am

    MikeW. You’re not the Taliban? Whats the diff? You’ve been called out by the NIE. Thats the same place we get warnings about foreign terrorist.

    Who killed Tiller?

  21. #32 by mike w. on August 10, 2009 - 7:49 am

    Certainly not someone I’m grouped with Cliff, since I’m pro-choice and a Libertarian.

  22. #33 by Phil Carter on August 10, 2009 - 8:03 am

    The tories are calling you an insurgent mikew, badge of honor.

    I’ll heat up the tar
    you collect the feathers
    something now, to warm the blood
    in coming chilly weather

    If gun owners in America were the Taliban Cliff, you would be long dead by now, that is the difference.

  23. #34 by mike w. on August 10, 2009 - 8:53 am

    If we were like the taliban there’d be guerrilla warfare breaking out all over the country.

    That said, gang turf wars in some of our are pretty bad, but those are armed thugs who can’t own or carry their guns anyway, having shootouts in the very places that have strict gun control.

    Ever heard of ELF? Radical, violent environmentalist group. Does that mean that they, or their actions speak for all environmentalists? No, and the actions of criminals (murderers in fact) with guns doesn’t have a damn thing to do with me except that we both own the same tool. They choose to misuse that tool to harm others. I use mine responsibly.

  24. #35 by mike w. on August 10, 2009 - 9:03 am

    Cliff – You want confiscations. How do you propose that happen? If you really believe in doing it then stand on your principles and go door-to-door personally trying to disarm your fellow Americans.

    If you refuse to do so I say you are a coward and a hypocrite. Instead you want other men (armed with guns of course) to forcibly enter homes and disarm your fellow citizens. You want them to forcibly enter steal, at gunpoint, legally purchased private property from American citizens. (hello 4th Amendment?)

    Jesus, and you people have the gall to bitch about Bush shredding the Constitution? (which he did, but still, you’re more than a little hypocritical)

    And you wonder why we have no respect for you. Why should we respect petty little authoritarian tyrants?

  25. #36 by Phil Carter on August 10, 2009 - 9:22 am

    You can build a cathedral of worship or a prison with a skill saw.

  26. #37 by glenn on August 10, 2009 - 2:45 pm

    No it wasn’t, no he isn’t, he first wanted to contest the charges, he made a deal, he blew .10 at the scene, which is .02 over the limit. Vermont law puts illegal blood alcohol level at .08. In any case you can be convicted of DUI even if you are under the limit. He came up with .79 in his blood test 90 minutes later. Convicted!! Only the deal and admission of guilt led to the lessor charge.

    Happened in Arlington VT. Vermont being a very liberal state, and Moyers being polite, contrite, and a champion of the left, was given a break. You or I would be screwed. We all laughed about the incident and knew it was favoritism the minute we heard it.

    All are equal under the law right?

  27. #38 by glenn on August 10, 2009 - 3:09 pm

    It was the promised testimony of the State Patrol officer Travis that saw Moyers miss a curve, and repeatedly weave all over the road, that convinced him to plead. Oh yeah, the troopers in Vermont are honest, and boy do they show up at trial.

  28. #39 by Tomcatshanger on August 13, 2009 - 9:16 am

    Let me get this straight.

    The talibian tell people to stop assaulting them or they will fight back?

  29. #40 by Loneviking on August 13, 2009 - 12:16 pm

    Domestic Taliban? Oh please, we aren’t trying to enforce dress codes or a particular form of law. We are saying that we want the government to get the hell out of our lives! We don’t want this health care reform as it results in more government. Many Americans are fed up with being lied too and regulated by the government.
    But you’re right about one thing. If Congress and you lefties shove this health care reform down our collective throats, you can expect a boot up your behind in 2010!

  30. #41 by benEzra on August 13, 2009 - 6:32 pm

    Ummm, approximately half of U.S. gun owners are Dems and indies. You appear to have bought into the Karl Rove line that only repubs support the right to own nonhunting guns. Not the case.

    And FWIW, over 80% of us are nonhunters, lest someone bring up the hunting canard. Fewer than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunt.

    If you don’t like guns, you are certainly free not to own them. We’ll retain the right to choose for ourselves, thanks.

  31. #42 by Cliff Lyon on August 13, 2009 - 8:17 pm

    The “hunting canard” thats the strongest argument you have?

    btw: I am not against taking hand guns from Democrats. I like Democrats. They are really smart.

    And if you have the balls to care about the less fortunate, you are more likely to use your gun when it really counts as opposed to when you are drunk.

    Plus, we have better aim.

  32. #43 by Oscar the Grouch on August 13, 2009 - 8:51 pm

    Would the novelty of attempting to take guns away from criminals as an idea hold any merit? For if you are interested in gun control as you see it affecting public safety, that would be the most logical place to start.

    Would it not?

    Better aim? I thought only gun nuts had guns Cliff.

    That’s it, here and now the open challenge is up!!

    Gun nuts from both parties have turkey shoot to determine overall who the best are, pistol, rifle shotgun, whatever. Select your champions Dems, will you choose Barney Frank, how about Spitzer? I’m sure he can hit his target with a load. Peta can watch!

    No seriously, this would be good fun if we can find the Democrats to participate, as I don’t expect much trouble finding candidates from the” from my cold dead hands party”. hahahhaha, Oscar happy again!!

    You can use my garbage can as a target! Where are my friends Glendon who asked me out to play in the first place?, and Shane, I like Shane, he would be good in my garbage can…and in contest too.

  33. #44 by Tomcatshanger on August 13, 2009 - 10:08 pm

    What? A gun grabber that’s a bigot?

    I’m shocked.

  34. #45 by mike w. on August 14, 2009 - 5:52 am

    ^ Usually goes hand in hand

  35. #46 by Weer'd Beard on August 14, 2009 - 1:04 pm

    “And if you have the balls to care about the less fortunate, you are more likely to use your gun when it really counts ”

    Coming from the guy constantly issuing threats of violence, that’s rich!

  36. #47 by Cliff Lyon on August 14, 2009 - 5:02 pm

    Weer’d,

    There you go again accusing me of issuing threats of violence.

    That last time you did that, I asked for proof but you couldn’t produce any.

    I guess you still subscribe to the Republican tactic of spewing bullshit with no evidence of truth and not enough integrity to be held to any standard of proof.

    Lets be honest. Lying does work. It got Bush elected.

  37. #48 by jdberger on August 17, 2009 - 9:22 am

    That last time you did that, I asked for proof but you couldn’t produce any.

    But I did, Cliffy.

  38. #49 by mike w. on August 17, 2009 - 12:20 pm

    guess you still subscribe to the Republican tactic of spewing bullshit with no evidence of truth and not enough integrity to be held to any standard of proof.

    Oh the Irony. I’m amazed Cliff can complain about others spewing BS without proof.

  39. #50 by Kafkaesque on August 17, 2009 - 4:22 pm

    Mike you must be 10 years old.

    What happened to all the promises our African Progressive Prince made before we elected his turncoat ass? Will you remain a blind partisan all of your political life?

    Oh, I forgot, you are probably ten, and are still on fairy tales and the tooth fairy. Late bloomer huh?

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