Strong Opinion + Ignorance = Tea Partier

The question has been asked; “Question: Are the Tea Party members A) Dumb or B) Stupid?”

I realize people think I am strange for subscribing to the Tea Party Patriots fan page.  I do it to be informed.  The Talking Heads like to try to explain Tea Baggers (their name for themselves, not mine) using every sort of sophisticated analysis. Tea Baggers are this and Tea Baggers are that.  Tea Baggers are angry.  Tea Baggers are disaffected hard working middle America.  Its all bullshit.

Tea Baggers are IDIOTS.  All you need to do, is read the shit they write. 99% of them can’t name the three branches of government.  Hell!  Two of their candidate, Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angle didn’t even know about the Separation Claus in the Constitution.

In response to the question posed in the screen shot below; “Who do you want to be in the Republican House Leadership position?” The 3rd and 4th response named Jim DeMint and Mitch McConnell.  NO SHIT! See below.

When Strength of Conviction Exceeds Intelligence

When Strength of Conviction Exceeds Intelligence

While most of our decent, educated and liberal friends will no doubt remind me that we should be nice to the Tea Baggers and try to reason with them, but they would be wrong. Scientific studies have shown that when confronted with the falsity of their own beliefs, the only hold them more tightly.

There’s an old joke that goes something like this: my neighbor went to public schools before joining the military. He went to college on the G.I. Bill, bought his first home through the FHA, and received his health care through the V.A. and Medicare. He now receives Social Security.

He’s a conservative because he wants to get the government off his back. Source

The science says, the best way to get them to STFU is humiliation. Its not pretty but its true.

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  1. #1 by Glenden Brown on November 4, 2010 - 1:09 pm

    So did someone eventually get on facebook and say “DeMint and McConnell are senators and can’t be house leader, you dumbasses”?

  2. #2 by Richard Warnick on November 4, 2010 - 1:21 pm

    I was watching MSNBC yesterday, and Tamron Hall asked Senator Orrin Hatch what his plans are now that he’ll be chairing the Senate Finance Committee. Hatch had to explain that Republicans are still the minority in the Senate.

  3. #3 by Not sure but on November 4, 2010 - 3:41 pm

    Dumb is incurable. Dumb goes clear to the bone.

    Stupid is correctable with education.

  4. #4 by brewski on November 4, 2010 - 3:44 pm

    Cliff,
    You should be the last person making fun of someone for their intelligence and accuracy with the facts. I have pointed out how you have been objectively factually unambiguously wrong numerous times. Little bit of pot calling the kettle black.

    Also, just because I have to. Do you remember when you said:

    No one care the fuck what Republicans think.

    after the 2008 election?

    Care to withdraw that?

  5. #5 by Federal Farmer on November 4, 2010 - 4:23 pm

    Strong Opinon + Arrogance = Progressive Liberal

  6. #6 by Cliff Lyon on November 4, 2010 - 4:54 pm

    Not sure I understand your point Mr. Brewski.

    But I certainly understand the concept of attacking people while hiding behind one’s anonymity.

    Does it ever cross your mind that your come off as completely spineless? Seriously.

    Its one thing to argue issues anonymously. But to attack me personally while hiding behind Mommy’s apron. You’re a fucking pussy.

  7. #7 by brewski on November 4, 2010 - 5:17 pm

    Does it ever cross your mind that your come off as objectively wrong? Seriously.

    You’re fucking wrong, all the time.

  8. #8 by Cliff Lyon on November 4, 2010 - 5:42 pm

    Prove it you ignorant spineless panty-waisted Tea bagging whimp.

    See how that works Brewski? I’m calling YOU names and I stand behind my opinion of you like this; My name is Cliff Lyon and I live in Salt Lake City. My phone number is 801.274.0882. You can see my picture on my posts.

    Now, we know WHAT you are. I imagine you won’t tell us WHO who you are because you can’t stand behind anything you say and, you are afraid you will be fired for being dumber than a box of nails.

  9. #9 by brewski on November 4, 2010 - 6:36 pm

    I have proven you wrong many times. Which part of that don’t you understand? Why do you dodge substance and always go after me for my chosen privacy? Because you have no substance.

  10. #10 by Cliff Lyon on November 4, 2010 - 8:44 pm

    Brewski, I can fully appreciate your deeply held conviction that you have proven me wrong. Way to go little buddy!

    I also acknowledge your choice to remain private. You must be very afraid or something. Obviously, you choose not to be free OR you choose not to stand behind anything you say.

    I;m pretty sure both are true.

  11. #11 by Larry Bergan on November 4, 2010 - 10:18 pm

    Michael Moore was on a discussion panel during election night and and started to talk about the “Tea Party”. He said “This Tea Party” and then paused for a couple of seconds and said “Thing”.

    That’s exactly what it is; a “Tea Party Thing”.

    It’s not a political party and it’s not a grass roots movement. It may have started out as an attempt at being some kind of movement, but it became nothing more then a media construct designed to fool the American people.

  12. #12 by Uncle Rico on November 4, 2010 - 11:11 pm

    Strong Opinon + Arrogance = Progressive Liberal

    Given a choice between ignorance and arrogance, I’ll take the latter. Just sayin’.

  13. #13 by Tiller on November 5, 2010 - 1:19 pm

    Now there is a name, face phone number, but no real address to the idiocy. You aren’t that foolish. You are only mad because you lost, the warnings were clear, the tactics of progressives mind bogglingly stupid. Please learn and try another method.

    Ever wonder why the bulk of people can’t name the 3 branches of government Cliff? Public education these past 35 years. By promoting the failed public system without any meaningful changes you have surely helped in the progressive demise.

  14. #14 by Tiller on November 5, 2010 - 3:31 pm

    Now there is a name, face phone number, but no real address to the consistent wrongness. You aren’t that foolish. You are only mad because progressives have been shellacked, the warnings were clear, the tactics of progressives were mind bogglingly stupid. Please learn and try another method.

    Ever wonder why the bulk of people can’t name the 3 branches of government Cliff? Public education these past 35 years. By promoting the failed public system without any meaningful changes you have surely helped in the progressive demise. With any luck schools will get back to basics and quit with the social engineering.

  15. #15 by brewski on November 5, 2010 - 4:31 pm

    Cliff,
    I have copied and pasted data from the CBO and BLS and you have called me a liar. What more proof do you need? Objective facts are objective facts. You can live in your little delusional world all you want. You can’t convince someone with a closed mind.

  16. #16 by Tiller on November 5, 2010 - 5:50 pm

    Cliff, I have told progressives that the only way to blunt Tea Party activity is to stop saying they are stupid and pretending that progressives are smarter and morally superior.Simply let them talk. I imagine you do not as you have an interest in mis-characterizing them. I have come to believe that you are actually interested in promoting the Tea Party with your constant rantings against them. Attacking them gives them your energy, if nothing else they are experts at political judo.

    Then again Sarah Palin was discovered and promoted by Bill Kristol of PNAC fame, met her on a cruise ship. Bill is a big promoter of Israel and the destruction of her enemies via her big friend America. I know your own attitudes towards Arabs are of a repugnant variety and one wonders if you are simply duplicitous towards an esoteric goal, as the Tea Party as portrayed by you, stands with Israel in anything it does.

    They are all fundamentalists, christian whack jobs you claim, and that means saving Israel is a major priority.

    As well you have been accused upon searching of sandbagging some Democrat candidates in your area, would you care to comment on these accusations? Difficult to work with, backstabbing, things like that.

  17. #17 by Cliff Lyon on November 6, 2010 - 11:03 am

    Glenn Hoefer (Tiller).

    Thanks for the advice. Science however says the best way to stop the Tea Party is to humiliate them.

    As for the backstabbing, could you be more specific?

  18. #18 by Richard Warnick on November 6, 2010 - 11:09 am

    Glenn–

    Did you know that during her brief time as Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin kept an Israeli flag in her office? Strange but true. If Okelberry was still here he’d call me anti-Semitic for pointing this out.

    The Tea Partyers are astroturfers and dupes. And the same people were dupes for President Bush, so the more things change the more they stay the same.

  19. #19 by Tiller on November 6, 2010 - 1:49 pm

    Search yourself on google, facebook references.

    Science is wrong if the last election wasn’t enough of a clue for you. Turning out exactly as I surmised. So there is no stopping them scientifically, better find other ways. Take the advice before we start saying President Palin.

    Consider that you have helped supply the energy to get the movement going. Without opposition as ill defined as the tea party was, ignoring it would have been best. Instead by attacking then ineffectually you prove that you fear them, and that is a big no no. You energized them. SunTzu. Never let the enemy know that. The fear progressives have of the Tea Party is palpable.

    We know that you share Sarah’s views with regard to Israel, and in that your duplicity is amusing to those in the know of your real opinions. Not strange at all about the flag, she is a christian, and believes in the return of Christ, and the conversion of Jews to christianity, the whole bit. She will serve zionism well as president. A tangled web you weave Cliff.

  20. #20 by Tiller on November 6, 2010 - 1:50 pm

    Are there no dupes that voted for Obama? I would guess those dupes voted last Tuesday, and the rest is history. The dialectic at work.

  21. #21 by Tiller on November 6, 2010 - 2:21 pm

    Search yourself on google, facebook references.

    Science is wrong if the last election wasn’t enough of a clue for you. Turning out exactly as I surmised. So there is no stopping them scientifically, better find other ways. Take the advice before we start saying President Palin.

    Consider that you have helped supply the energy to get the movement going. Without opposition as ill defined as the tea party was, ignoring it would have been best. Instead by attacking then ineffectually you prove that you fear them, and that is a big no no. You energized them. SunTzu. Never let the enemy know that. The fear progressives have of the Tea Party is palpable.

    We know that you share Sarah’s views with regard to Israel, and in that your duplicity is amusing to those in the know of your real opinions. Not strange at all about the flag, she is a christian, and believes in the return of Christ, and the conversion of Jews to christianity, the whole bit. She will serve zionism well as president. A tangled web you weave Cliff.

    Are there no dupes that voted for Obama Richard? I would guess those dupes voted last Tuesday, and the rest is history. The dialectic at work. You sound like Pelosi, another discredited harridan like Palin. The dialectic at work.

  22. #22 by Richard Warnick on November 6, 2010 - 3:26 pm

    Under normal circumstances, it would be strange for the Governor of Alaska to display an Israeli flag in the office. Israel being a foreign country and all. Then again, nobody has accused Palin of being normal.

    I would suppose most of the people who helped elect President Obama actually voted for change, hoping it wasn’t going to turn out that it was only a slogan. Remember, Rahm Emanuel wasn’t on the ballot.

  23. #23 by brewski on November 6, 2010 - 3:30 pm

    I have all kinds of souvenirs much many people might find strange. I have a Solidarity flag I got in Poland. I have a picture of me in front of a hammer and sickle from the University of Bologna. So Sarah may have been given the Israeli flag from a visitor or she may have been there is a tourist. So what?

    What is interesting about the shellacking wasnt the shallacking. It is the spin and attribution by the losers. Cliff will go to his grave mumbling something about the Tea Party and racism. But the truth is that the Dems lost the middle. There was a 21 point swing among independents from 2008 – 2008. That failure was due to a series of deeply flawed bills, disgusting process, unmet promises, and alienation of those who might be on their side. The Dems desereved to lose just as much as the GOP did deserve to lose in 2006. That’s what happens when you fuck up.

    The good news is that the electorate is engaged, they are watching, and they will throw out the current crowd if they fuck up too. We will keep throwing the bums out until someone keeps their promises and actually solves people’s problems and changes the process.

  24. #24 by brewski on November 6, 2010 - 3:31 pm

    2008-2010

  25. #25 by Richard Warnick on November 6, 2010 - 3:38 pm

    Even the quote from Palin when she was introduced to Shimon Peres, is strange. From the link I posted above (emphasis added):

    “I wanted to meet you for many years,” Ms. Palin told Mr. Peres, according to an aide to the president. “The only flag at my office is an Israeli flag,” she was quoted as saying, “and I want you to know and I want Israelis to know that I am a friend.”

    The picture show that Palin also had an Alaska flag. Did she have an American flag? Let’s not forget she married a secessionist.

  26. #26 by Richard Warnick on November 6, 2010 - 3:50 pm

    brewski–

    You are getting your election analysis from unreliable sources.

    Before November 2, the cable news talking heads told us the outcome would hinge on voter turnout. This is correct, and exit polls indicate that the electorate was older and whiter across the country this time. There was a 16 percent turnout of young people in 2008 compared to 9 percent this year. Exit polls also showed that independent and progressive voters must have stayed home in large numbers. The “enthusiasm gap” that showed up in the likely voter poll numbers played out as expected.

    After the election, suddenly (and without explanation) the turnout meme has been dropped by many of those same cable talkers. We’re NOW told that it was largely the same electorate going to the polls this time, and that they changed their minds. I’m sure some people who voted Democratic in 2008 must have decided to reject Dem candidates two years later, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that is the principal cause of losing 50 House seats.

    Glenn Greenwald summed up the point that many Dems and independents who voted in 2006 and 2008 sat out this election: “The failure to inspire those citizens to vote is, beyond doubt, a major cause of the Democrats’ loss.” His whole post is well worth reading.

  27. #27 by James Farmer on November 6, 2010 - 6:58 pm

    Glenn Hoefer (Tiller):

    Your comment:

    Ever wonder why the bulk of people can’t name the 3 branches of government Cliff? Public education these past 35 years. By promoting the failed public system without any meaningful changes you have surely helped in the progressive demise. With any luck schools will get back to basics and quit with the social engineering.

    It appears you are suggesting the stupid masses elected stupid congress persons due in large part to a failed public education system. In other words, it appears you agree with Cliff’s premise – tea baggers are opinionated ignoramuses. Good on you! ;)

  28. #28 by brewski on November 7, 2010 - 9:09 am

    Richard,
    You are right, NPR is an unreliable source.

    OK, I will accept your analysis. Democrats didn’t turn out to vote because of a series of deeply flawed bills, disgusting process, unmet promises, and alienation of those who are on their side.

  29. #29 by Richard Warnick on November 7, 2010 - 1:07 pm

    brewski–

    I don’t know what was said on NPR, but usually political programs rely on guest talkers, and the guests rely heavily on spin. Could it be the “enthusiasm gap” went down the memory hole because the Dem strategists want to pretend their pre-election bashing of progressives somehow worked?

  30. #30 by brewski on November 7, 2010 - 2:42 pm

    I have heard almost no spinning and commentators attribute the loss to actual quality and substance. Virtually no one is saying that the Dems lost, not because they reached too far or they compromised too much, but because the bill sucked. It didn’t do what they said it was going to do, and the process was corrupt. How complicated was that?

  31. #31 by Richard Warnick on November 7, 2010 - 3:43 pm

    brewski–

    You are probably right. Barack Obama ran on Hope and Change in 2008, but in 2009 and 2010 what Americans needed most of all was HELP, and they didn’t get enough.

    For example. the Obama administration thought the Recovery Act would hold the unemployment rate below 8 percent, and we’ve been near 10 percent for the last 15 months.

    Glenn Greenwald explains the 2010 election better than I could (emphasis in original):

    Democrats didn’t lose because voters think they’re too “liberal.” If that were true, how would one explain massive Democratic wins in 2006 and 2008, including by liberals in conservative districts (such as Alan Grayson); were American voters liberal in 2006 and 2008 only to manically switch to being conservative this year? Was Wisconsin super-liberal for the last 18 years when it thrice elected Russ Feingold to the Senate, and then suddenly turned hostile to liberals this year? Such an explanation is absurd.

    The answer is that voters make choices based on their assessment of the outcomes from the political class. They revolted against the Republican Party in the prior two elections because they hated the Iraq War and GOP corruption (not because they thought the GOP was “too conservative”), and they revolted against Democrats this year because they have no jobs, are having their homes foreclosed by the millions, are suffering severe economic anxiety, and see no plan or promise for that to change (not because they think Democrats are “too liberal”).

  32. #32 by brewski on November 7, 2010 - 8:26 pm

    The definition of failure:

    Associated Press
    WASHINGTON (AP) – AARP’s endorsement helped secure passage of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul. Now the seniors’ lobby is telling its employees their insurance costs will rise partly as a result of the law.

    In an e-mail to employees, AARP says health care premiums will increase by 8 percent to 13 percent next year because of rapidly rising medical costs.

  33. #33 by Richard Warnick on November 7, 2010 - 8:32 pm

    That’s the line the insurance industry is putting out, and it’s false. The Obama administration failed to stop them from raising rates. That’s not the same as forcing them to raise rates.

  34. #34 by brewski on November 7, 2010 - 8:38 pm

    Wrong. The Obama failed to stop rising costs which are embedded in insurance rates. United Healthcare makes a profit of 4.4%. When reimbursement costs to providers goes up, rates go up. It’s that simple. Obama did nothing to reform the costs.

  35. #35 by brewski on November 7, 2010 - 8:39 pm

    Best quote of the night from Steve Kroft:

    he Tea Party and some of the Republicans— ran on the same message or much of the same message that you ran on two years ago. Which is, “We’re going to change Washington.”

    I guess Obama must be a racist.

  36. #36 by Richard Warnick on November 7, 2010 - 9:09 pm

    That whole interview was bizarre. President Obama should have told Kroft to shove it when he accused the administration of wanting to raise taxes for “small business” people making $250K. No, they are proposing to give them another “middle class” tax cut for rich people. The actual median income in America is $50K but nobody in Washington seems to know this.

    What’s with this crap about working with Republicans? Obama admitted that his health care bill was Republican to its core, but he could not get a single Republican to vote for it. That should have been a learning experience!

    The GOP is doing the same thing they did to Clinton, trying every hyperpartisan maneuver they can think of to bring down a Democratic President. The Party of NO strategy actually worked, why would they give up on it now that they have the power to de-fund the government? Not to mention subpoena power and the power to impeach Obama.

  37. #37 by shane on November 7, 2010 - 9:38 pm

    Richard Warnick :
    brewski–
    You are getting your election analysis everything you know from unreliable sources.

    Fixed that for ya….

  38. #38 by cav on November 8, 2010 - 9:29 am

    Shane. Thankyou.

  39. #39 by brewski on November 8, 2010 - 9:59 am

    Obama admitted that his health care bill was Republican to its core, but he could not get a single Republican to vote for it. That should have been a learning experience!

    Richard, this is an interesting point. I don’t disagree with it. ObamaCare looks a lot like RomneyCare, which is also not working too well.

    I think a lot of it is process and ego. When Obama told Republicans “elections have consequences, we won” that was a lot like saying “we don’t need your votes, fuck you”. Then when Obama said “Republicans can get on the bus too, but they have to sit in the back of the bus” that was a lot like saying “we don’t need your votes, fuck you.” When Pelosi decided that it was a good idea to have exactly zero meetings with congressional Republicans to discuss healthcare, that was a lot like saying “we don’t need your votes, fuck you.”

    So what would you expect? The Dems acted in an arrogant and hostile way to the GOP and the GOP responded with no votes, even if ObamaCare looks like RomneyCare? Is that so surprising given the Dems actions and words? If you were a GOP congressman would you say “gee, thank you for publicly insulting me and treating me like shit, I would be happy to vote for your bill” ?

    In other words, the Dems legislative strategy sucked and they are now having to pay for it. It was not the way LBJ worked, or FDR worked or Clinton worked.

  40. #40 by Dwight Sheldon Adams on November 8, 2010 - 10:54 am

    I think it’s interesting that we’re citing an 8-13% hike in insurance rates as massive. The last 20 years have seen a 17%/year hike in healthcare costs, with about a 7% hike in insurance costs—plus we’re in a recession with dwindling insurance pool sizes. I think it’s the insurance providers looking to blame Congress and the Prez for what is actually a standard hike for the circumstances—part of an ongoing trend. The healthcare bill has some influence, yes, but the chances that in its absence the costs between 2009 and 2010, 2010 and 2011 would have not changed are nil.

    Interesting reading:

    http://www.kaiseredu.org/Issue-Modules/US-Health-Care-Costs/Background-Brief.aspx

    http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm030808oth.cfm

    –Dwight

  41. #41 by cav on November 8, 2010 - 12:22 pm

    Killed for some reason, so here it is again:

    The Republicans say they’ve won, they claim a mandate, they say they speak for the angry majority. Fine. Don’t let them do most of their work behind closed doors, behind anonymous holds and ‘gentlemen’s’ filibusters. Hang every last ‘victory’ they achieve for their positions around their necks. They think most Americans want Boehner, DeMint and McConnell to prevail? Fine. I welcome the ever more frequent appearance of their easy manner and light populist touch.

    Thanks.

  42. #42 by cav on November 8, 2010 - 12:23 pm

    More moderation, and not even the inclusion of the word Soshulizm!

    I thought I had some sway here.

  43. #43 by cav on November 8, 2010 - 12:38 pm

    In my opinion, Pelosi is the real hero of the past two years. She delivered and had to drag the Senate and, sometimes, the White House along.

  44. #44 by brewski on November 8, 2010 - 10:14 pm

    Cav,
    Delivered what?

  45. #45 by cav on November 9, 2010 - 10:46 am

    The dildo that Harry Reed was too manly to clobber the pugs in the senate with. Otherwise, there’d been a slew of leftwing legislation on the desk of the exec for signing and implimentation. The quid pro quo for not chasing down and hanging the previous administration crimers.

  46. #46 by cav on November 9, 2010 - 11:17 am

    Matt Lauer: “Why is waterboarding legal, in your opinion?”

    President Bush: “Because the lawyer said it was legal, said it did not fall within the Anti-Torture Act. I’m not a lawyer. And—but you got to trust the judgment of people around you. And I do.”

  47. #47 by Richard Warnick on November 9, 2010 - 12:57 pm

    Let’s not forget that former President Bush holds strong Christian beliefs. Stephen Colbert once pointed out that torture played a key part in the founding of Christianity. So there was no moral problem at all.

    Of course, as a practical matter, torture is never an effective interrogation technique (despite many Hollywood movies and TV shows). What torture is good for is extracting a false confession. Bush and Cheney desperately needed a detainee to confess that there was a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda in order to help justify their planned invasion. Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi gave them what they wanted, but later recanted.

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