‘Yes We Can’ – PFC Bradley Manning Update

Yes We Can

What has happened to the Obama administration? Glenn Greenwald explains:

On Friday, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley denounced the conditions of Bradley Manning’s detention as “ridiculous, counterproductive and stupid,” forcing President Obama to address those comments in a Press Conference and defend the treatment of Manning. Today, CNN reports, Crowley has “abruptly resigned” under “pressure from White House officials because of controversial comments he made last week about the Bradley Manning case.” In other words, he was forced to “resign” — i.e., fired.

…[I]n Barack Obama’s world … those who instituted a worldwide torture and illegal eavesdropping regime are entitled to full-scale presidential immunity, while powerless individuals who blow the whistle on high-level wrongdoing and illegality are subjected to the most aggressive campaign of prosecution and persecution the country has ever seen. So protecting those who are abusing Manning, while firing Crowley for condemning the abuse, is perfectly consistent with the President’s sense of justice.

Up to now, I haven’t written about the inhumane conditions of PFC Manning’s detention. It seems there is nothing we can say or do that can help him. I had hoped the criticism so far would convince President Obama to eventually order Manning to be accorded his rights as an American. Instead, our President has dismissed all pleas for fairness, saying that the cruel treatment of PFC Manning is “appropriate and meeting our basic standards.” And now, instead of relieving the officers responsible for the abuse, Obama fires the one guy in his administration who dared to utter the truth.

Bear in mind that this is a 23-year-old soldier who hasn’t been convicted of anything, who has been behind bars for nearly 10 months now. The U.S. Army is piling on charges that go far beyond any evidence — including “aiding the enemy,” a capital offense under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Manning is imprisoned in solitary confinement at the Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia, and subjected to prolonged, forced nudity and other conditions tantamount to torture, that have been designed to humiliate and degrade prisoners.

The bottom line here is that P.J. Crowley deserves the thanks of a grateful nation. If PFC Manning is ever convicted of letting the proof of war crimes in Iraq get on WikiLeaks (unlikely, IMHO), or if it is later confirmed that he was responsible, he ought to be awarded the Bronze Star at least. President Obama, on the other hand, now has joined former President Bush and former VP Cheney as an admitted torture conspirator.

More info:

Saturday Night Massacre: Obama Axes PJ Crowley for Telling the Truth about Bradley Manning
As the Treatment of Bradly Manning Grows More Obscene, Reality Becomes Harder to Ignore

In Resigning, State Dept. Spokesman PJ Crowley Does Not Back Away From Criticism Of Manning’s Detention

From FDL: PFC Manning still not allowed to wear underwear, ordered to put on a rough and uncomfortable Cordura “smock.” “It’s stupid looking,” says the manufacturer.

  1. #1 by Larry Bergan on March 13, 2011 - 2:54 pm

    Obama (not in my dictionary), has no power to do shit.

    Not, at all, sorry for the harsh language!

  2. #2 by Larry Bergan on March 13, 2011 - 2:58 pm

    Gingrich passes.


  3. #3 by Larry Bergan on March 13, 2011 - 3:00 pm

    What the fuck is a Gingrich?

  4. #4 by cav on March 13, 2011 - 3:29 pm

    Gingrich passes gas , has no power to do shit.

    There, I fixed it for you.

    Indeed. Central to my point!

  5. #5 by brewski on March 13, 2011 - 4:08 pm

    At least we now know the true feelings of Julian Assange:

    Stating that the Private Eye piece was an attempt to cut off any funding the website receives from the Jewish community, alleged Hislop, Assange claimed that Private Eye was ‘part of a conspiracy led by the Guardian which included journalist David Leigh, editor Alan Rusbridger and John Kampfner from Index on Censorship – all of whom “are Jewish”.’

    ‘I pointed out that Rusbridger is not actually Jewish, but Assange insisted that he was “sort of Jewish” because he was related to David Leigh (they are brothers-in-law),’ wrote Hislop.

    These are the people Richard aligns himself with.

  6. #6 by brewski on March 13, 2011 - 4:11 pm

    I guess Obama will be sending that piece of shit Nobel back:

    President Obama’s order to resume trials by military commissions of some prisoners at the Navy’s Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba marks his recognition (though he’ll never say it out loud) that the Bush administration was correct in pursuing that course.

    The Boston Globe

  7. #7 by Richard Warnick on March 13, 2011 - 4:11 pm


    Whatever you do, don’t address the issue at hand!

    There is no proof PFC Manning had any dealings with WikiLeaks. However, we do have evidence that his rights are being violated daily by the U.S. government.

    The Obama administration’s decision to break U.S. and international law is just that. President Obama joins his predecessor in the ranks of human rights violators.

    You’ve got to figure out how to include links in comments.

  8. #8 by Larry Bergan on March 13, 2011 - 4:41 pm

    The Obama administration’s decision to violate international law is just that. President Obama joins his predecessor in the ranks of human rights violators.

    Sure wish I could argue with that and three buildings.

  9. #9 by cav on March 13, 2011 - 7:29 pm

    There are lies we’re all desparate to believe in. Especially when there’s an entire media spinning their virtues and market share.

  10. #10 by Evidence on March 13, 2011 - 8:34 pm

    The ice has cracked, the dam has burst, they are all the same, time to do them down. Look at the State of the world, hope and change my eye..Obama is a FRAUD!

  11. #11 by Evidence on March 13, 2011 - 8:41 pm

    BTW nothing has “happened” to the Obama administration, for those who put it in place by appealing to children and the naive, everything is going exactly as planned. 30 trillion dollar rip off, endless wars, and the leash of control around the necks of the world. All the same.

  12. #12 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 3:24 pm

    I’m almost starting to feel glad that Howard Dean didn’t win the presidency. It would have been heart breaking to see him broken by the corporations who run this country.

    Bush and Gingrich are on that side already, and didn’t need to be broken. Damn them!

    • #13 by Glenden Brown on March 14, 2011 - 3:25 pm

      Larry – as a Deaniac from back in the day, I think we might have had a fighting chance with him. Dean, for all his faults, is a fighter – he’s smart, he’s determined, he’s not afraid of a political fight. Which come to think of it is why the media had it in for him.

  13. #14 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 4:32 pm

    Howard Dean was/is the best man for the job, but most Americans think he is crazy because of the “Dean scream” scam.

    I wish I had recorded a speech he gave at a convention with other democrats before the 2004 primaries. Dean had the ability to REALLY fire up his audience and the only thing you could hear was him saying “you have the power”, but you could not hear the audience at all. I’m sure HE could hear the audience going crazy with cheers, but all you could hear was him saying “you have the power” over and over to a seemingly disinterested crowd.

    I can never prove this, but I’m sure they used a “noise reduction” microphone for that speech. It’s a technology where you could record the sound of the audience and run it though a computer in real time to reverse the sound – it would be the equivalent to combining a photo with it’s negative, producing an image with nothing on it – and therefore cancel out the sound of the audience. The technology is used in headphones to cancel out the ambient sound outside of the headphones.

    Fast forward to the “Dean scream” – played endlessly on cable news channels -, where Dean probably couldn’t even hear HIMSELF screaming over the wild cheers of what was probably the most fired up gathering of supporters in recent history, but this time you could, sort of, hear the crowd.

    So here we are! The best candidate is considered to be a loose screw, and we actually consider Sara Palin to be a viable candidate.

    2001 moment

    • #15 by Glenden Brown on March 14, 2011 - 4:45 pm

      It’s funny to me that I identify as a Deaniac because Dean isn’t a liberal. His appeal in 2003 and 2004 amounted to “You have the power” and “you can do something” – his line about “I’m here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party” is all about standing for something, having principles. I would describe Dean’s appeal to democrats – and especially the netroots – as ideologically agnostic. But it was powerful and exciting because his message was “stand for something and fight for what you believe in.”

      There’s a story James Carville tells about going to a Democratic function and giving a speech in which he stood up and delivered this barnstormer of a speech about fighting for the little guy, standing up for what you value, believing in people and supporting the . . . transgender amendment and by the time got to the amendment the crowd was practically screaming themselves hoarse because they were so tired of anemic, technocratic politicians whose primary response to any issue is . . . to be dull and to compromise.

      And the “Dean scream” – yeah that was the media doing a hatchet job on someone who did what they were too cowardly to do – he called out the Bush administration on their crap when almost every member of the American media was busy cowering and hoping Dubya could save them from the bad guys.

  14. #16 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 4:57 pm


    Did you read “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”?

    • #17 by Glenden Brown on March 14, 2011 - 5:04 pm

      I did not. That’s Joe Trippi’s book, right?

  15. #18 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 5:01 pm

    And the “Dean scream” – yeah that was the media doing a hatchet job on someone who did what they were too cowardly to do

    Dead on!

  16. #19 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 5:09 pm

    Dean is a great man. He is someone who took the job of being the head of the DNC, knowing he wouldn’t be able to say the things he wanted to say while there.

    I don’t think he’s ever going to challenge Obama, but I sure hope he runs for president in 2014! By then, it should be obvious what the powers are trying to do.

  17. #20 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 5:18 pm

    Yeah, Joe Trippi wrote it, and he is a centered guy, just as Dean is. These guys are not radical is any sense of the word but the subtitle of his book is “Democracy, The Internet, and the Overthrow of Everything”. 🙂

    Short read about the best REAL grass roots movement America has know in decades. The media, who for some damn reason, always sides with power, had to ignore it.

  18. #21 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 5:24 pm

    The tragedy is that Dean had to hand his successful campaign for sanity over to a quitter like John, (yawn) Kerry.

  19. #22 by Richard Warnick on March 14, 2011 - 6:37 pm

    I liked Joe Trippi’s book. Like Howard Dean himself, Trippi is no radical but found himself being perceived as one. They laid the groundwork for the overthrow of Republican rule in 2006, and for Barack Obama’s decisive win in 2008.

    Unfortunately, all it proves is that the Democratic Party cannot deliver the policy changes that people think they are voting for.

  20. #23 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 7:36 pm

    Unfortunately, all it proves is that the Democratic Party cannot deliver the policy changes that people think they are voting for.

    Nobody can. It’s because the media has completely forgot about it’s constitutionally protected duty to do it’s job. Instead, they make a mockery of the people who try to do the right thing and reject money in favor of the greater good.

    Our society is awash in heros, but nobody knows their name. Bradley Manning is unknown to most because the – wealth seeking – cowards are omnipresent!

    The future will tell how this all unfolds.

  21. #24 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 8:09 pm

    It has never been any different Larry, from the days American’s who wanted self governance and Liberty had to contend with Tories who had all the positions of power and the money to back it up. The founding of this nation is proof positive that action, not whining will get you where you want to go. Ohh, but the risk.

    *”Live Free or die, for death is not the worst of evils”

    In my home State of Vermont, the names of heroes that made us what we are are in the soul of the State, Starksville, Burke, Warren, to name a few. The credit to them for high sacrifice in making us. Yes sir, it took more than complaining, paper, and legislation to make us free.

    *John Stark, Brigadier General New Hampshire State Militia, circa 1776.

  22. #25 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 8:20 pm

    “The media, who for some damn reason, always sides with power”.

    Well then People, maybe it’s time to get some, power that is.

  23. #26 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 8:22 pm

    Did Starksville, Burke and Warren change their names early and often, or did they vote and opine like the rest of us?

  24. #27 by Richard Warnick on March 14, 2011 - 8:34 pm

    No one will ever forget the heroes of Lexington and Concord. Although some may forget what state the fight was in.

  25. #28 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 9:00 pm

    Who is writing Bachmann’s scripts? The fact that she is not researching her resources after all this time is telling.

  26. #29 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 9:01 pm

    Actually, if you must know Joseph Warren was the top doctor of Boston and revolutionist who followed the lead of James Otis, top lawyer of Boston, the leader of the Boston rebellion. They met in secret to discuss preparations for the rebellion. Otis was near clubbed to death by British customs officials in public for challenging them in their precincts. His brain was damaged, and he was never the same, though even demented he took his aunt’s rifle and attended the Battle of Bunker Hill.

    At Bunker Hill, Warren a doctor was positioned at Breed’s Hill, not a military man. but committed to the cause. Upon the British over running the American position on Breed’s Hill, he was clubbed to death in the bayonet charge after volley’s.

    So yes Larry, they hid their intentions like any intelligent strategist, and the danger they were in is most obviously exhibited in what became of them. Torture anyone? Look around at what becomes of opposition or whistle blowers. Sleeping in a suicide suit, imprisoned without charges. I guess it beats being imprisoned on a derelict hulk rotting to death for your treasonous thoughts, so thought the crown of openly expressed freedom. You still want to be known well after you are sought for your statements and beliefs? Wait long enough Larry Bergan. Get a clue.

    So Richard who was the American military ranking officer at Concord? What were the British charged to do in going to the two towns in the first place? I know you can look it up, but do you know?

    Meanwhile Bachmann made her academic mistake, but that won’t stop her from doing her best to kick Democrat ass.

  27. #30 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 9:39 pm

    So, glenn: are you going to show up for the revolution or just incite others with a changing name?

    You and brewski and Bob S and jdberger and a myiad of other cowards know the answer.

    Do what you do best: cower.

  28. #31 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 9:45 pm

    Oh Larry you are special kind of idiot. Especially considering that you would blather everyone else’s name if you could, while ranting nonsense.

    You dope, revolution is about winning and change, it has nothing to do with exposing yourself to enemies you idiot. You could never be part of revolution as anything but a martyr.

  29. #32 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 10:05 pm

    Better a martyr then a coward.

    I die, but you have to live with yourself. Both of us have short lives in the scheme of things; that much is assured.

  30. #33 by cav on March 14, 2011 - 10:14 pm

    I think it’s beyond mere academic mistakes, and into the area of holding onto the framing. Huckaby knew full well Obama was not raised in Kenya, and Bachman, however little we think of her, is spouting what she spouts in the furtherance of some default scenario – throwing rose petals on the path of some more moderate ‘centrist’ and family favorite, like that oh-so-sane Bush fellah from down in Florida. Obviously that syndicate has not ceased to exist. They’ve got claws in the Clintons and a few anchoring harpoons in the current ‘commander in chief’. I watched his drive – his caddy had a GOP logo on his wind-breaker.

    The dems won’t tolerate a primary challenger, but without the support of the base members he’s so busy ignoring, a ‘sane’ GOP challenger of seemingly well known and approved breeding – when combined with the problems Americans seem to have remembering stuff, and the Powers That Really Be might just pull it off.

    My $.02

  31. #34 by Larry Bergan on March 14, 2011 - 10:25 pm

    Bush the smarter is thrust upon us at the last moment?

    Oh, NO!

  32. #35 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 11:02 pm

    No problem with that Larry for me, you can be that guy.

    For example the rabble rouser responsible for setting up events in which the crown could demonstrate their tyranny was Sam Adams, he initiated events and let nature, angry mob vs crown tyranny take its course. People died. This seriously is how revolutions are started to great effect, by provoking those you would remove to act upon their baser instincts. The crown understood what Sam was up to, and wanted him, he was to be attached in the adventure into Lexington/Concord along with the moneybags John Hancock, a prime financial supporter of the Revolution and the richest man in the northern colonies. A Koch brothers type. Nothing has changed, you are just on the Tory side at this point.

    The point is, that Sam operated in the shadows, and was a prime mover in instigating changes, when the crown figured it out, he hid and was unavailable for comment. Wake up, who exactly do you think you are dealing with? If you want to be the martyr, please let others make an event whereby you could be put to the best use. Don;t do it on your, you’ll just waste yourself given what I read from your rantings.

    Meanwhile, if perchance you figure what to support outside your emotionalism, you can be the martyr, and we’ll make a statue of you for posterity.

  33. #36 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 11:03 pm

    Don’t do it on your own Larry…

  34. #37 by Evidence on March 14, 2011 - 11:21 pm

    By now they dumped the problems in the Democrats lap, and we now see the meltdown continuing. The spending out of control guaranteeing a greater fiscal disaster.

    Progressives say Obama saved America with the bailout even though the entire rip off scheme was instituted by Bush. These guys have you dummy democrats all figured out. God, you need Snakehead…baaad, because he is only Democrat I have ever seen that knows what he is doing and fights like a man against republicans. You are going to get shelled, the American people have been taught to hate you and democrats let it happen. All hail Snakehead, married to Mary Matalin, he sleeps with the enemy and has a clue. James Carville.

  35. #38 by Richard Warnick on March 15, 2011 - 6:28 am


    Most of us learned in elementary school that the British mission was to destroy weapons, powder, and supplies at Concord. Their strategic objective was to prevent war. Unfortunately for their side, most of the cache had already been moved (they did find three 24-pounder cannon and some musket balls).

    I had to look up Colonel James Barrett, who commanded the militia at Concord’s North Bridge. Of course, the heaviest fighting took place as the redcoats marched back to Boston.

  36. #39 by Evidence on March 15, 2011 - 8:39 am

    Walter Laurie was Commander of rank in the whole affair. The other goal was the taking of Sam Adams and John Hancock, to be hanged obviously.

  37. #40 by Richard Warnick on March 15, 2011 - 9:11 am

    I believe the overall objective of General Gates was to confiscate arms as much as possible and avoid all-out conflict, which would necessitate a British withdrawal from Boston (as later happened). This strategy of surprise raids had been successful until Lexington and Concord.

    The arrest of Adams and Hancock, or any other leaders, would have been a job for a nighttime cavalry patrol instead of a regimental-size infantry operation by day — assuming their location was known.

    The British problem was they were outnumbered and unable to control any territory outside Boston. Like the U.S. Army in Iraq, the redcoats could clear any area they wanted to but not hold it.

  38. #41 by Evidence on March 15, 2011 - 10:16 am

    Yes. Which is why they wanted Adams and Hancock to publicly hang to put an end to any ideas of insurrection. The taking of the two if possible was all to be carried out by as you say a contingent that could track and seize the men if they were found. There were multiple goals to be obtained if the situation allowed for it. They were rumored to be in the area, though of course never found given the pasting the British took. The British didn’t quibble Richard, they took when they found you, day or night, and that includes any part of the empire whereupon “insurgents” were active.

    Primary was taking the armory and its weapons and powder.

    Interesting, Redcoats as the war progressed could do neither of those things you mention, and could never attach any Revolutionary leaders for the most part. Thankfully the landscape ran them down, and they suffered all the depredations of disease and corruption, but that was true for all.

  39. #42 by Evidence on March 15, 2011 - 10:32 am

    Enough surprise raids, and a committed enemy will surprise you back. interesting event that defined the war, was at the Split Rail fence at Bunker Hill, Starks men under his command correctly deduced the weakest point in the American defense and shored it up and waited for the Brits.

    They landed from the Mystic river into the tidal zone and marched on Starks position at the fence. There on his command, they were annihilated, about 220 grenadiers killed outright in 3 volleys. This is somewhat inaccurate as Stark had drilled his men in the method of continuous musket fire, relying on three lines of men firing not all at once, picking individual targets (not taught by the British) and killing them, while the other line prepared for it’s turn as the spent line focused on reloading. Very effective.

  40. #43 by Richard Warnick on March 15, 2011 - 11:43 am

    The elementary school history we were taught never got into the military details. The more you read, the more you appreciate the high skill levels on both sides. True, some commanders and soldiers weren’t that good but a lot of them were very good.

    The tactics of the Lexington and Concord fracas demonstrated that both the British and the Americans knew what they were doing.

    What’s more, we often forget the Revolutionary War lasted almost 8 1/2 years.

  41. #44 by Evidence on March 15, 2011 - 12:49 pm

    In the case of John Stark in battles where he was the commander, there were no battles where he didn’t destroy his enemy in a lopsided engagement. But for what transpired at the Split Rail fence, the British would have walked up the backside of Bunker Hill, and destroyed Putman and the bulk of the American position there, and the rebellion would have been over.

    In fact Putnam and Prescott both deferred to Stark in what to do as they were a bit panic stricken at the developments as Stark described though was not above them in rank. in fact he was never commissioned in the Continental Army. Straight Militia.

    Keep in mind he had fought 7 years against the French in Canada, (French and Indian war, ended in 1767) then saw what became of them, and then observed British tyranny applied to America. He had seen it all, for him it was do or die.

    The British knew Stark well, their man in Canada, and when there were doubts whether the Americans would engage in a pitched battle with the British regulars (which Lexington/Concord was not) those who knew Stark said if he is on the field, he is man man of great courage, and they will fight for him under discipline….and fight they did, to deadly effect. At Bennington 1050 Hessians were killed, Starks forces lost 47. He was a killer on a mission, the stuff free country’s are made of. Participated at Saratoga, under Benedict Arnold. Between these two they were about the best American officers of the war, and the politics of the south led the New Englanders to appoint Washington command, to keep the south in the war. Washington was competent, and very cautious, but no Arnold or Stark.

    i would argue that if Stark or Arnold had led the war, it likely would have been over in far shorter a time. they knew damn well how to kill people in droves which is what a military does in real war.

  42. #45 by Richard Warnick on March 15, 2011 - 1:39 pm

    I had to go back 20 comments to see where this got into a Revolutionary War history discussion.

    How will Bradley Manning’s story end? Can he keep his sanity amid isolation and torture? Will he be found guilty in a rigged military trial? Will he skate free and write a book?

  43. #46 by Evidence on March 15, 2011 - 1:41 pm

    He will die mysteriously.

  44. #47 by JT on April 11, 2011 - 4:52 pm

    Check the “corrections” and outright retractions on the NY Times site before you get too worked up about “prolonged nudity” and being shackled….


  45. #48 by Richard Warnick on April 11, 2011 - 4:55 pm

    Oh yeah, no prob. Would you change places with PFC Manning? Like you (I assume, for the sake of argument) he has been convicted of no crime and is innocent until proven guilty.

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