Obama’s Justice Dept Flooded Mexico with Weapons in “OPERATION GUNRUNNER”. Scandal Ready to Explode.

The Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the ATF flooded Mexico with assault weapons in a secret project called “Operation Gunrunner” as well as an offshoot operation called “Fast and Furious“. This program was an ill fated attempt to track the weapons but they got out of control and fell into the hands of drug cartels. Many of these weapons are now being used against border control and anti drug agents. This scandal will go full broil when the Dept of Justice explains themselves in upcoming Congressional hearings. DOJ AND ATF HAVE KNOWINGLY FLOODED MEXICO WITH ASSAULT WEAPONS. It is also reported that Eric Holder is attempting to block the investigation into this matter.

All major news media are now reporting this story. This is real it is not from any right-wing conspiracy blogs but now reported by the main-stream media.

Form NPR

Earlier this month, documents revealed by Congressional investigators showed that under the Gunrunner operation the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives let high-powered weapons cross the U.S./Mexico border. The sting was supposed to trace weapons and lead to the prosecution of illegal drug sellers, but, as The Los Angeles Times reported, “three guns sold to suspects who were part of Project Gunrunner have since turned up at the scenes of the deaths of two U.S. agents — in the Mexican state of San Luis Potosi and near the Mexican border in Arizona.”

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/04/21/135605385/congress-threatens-atf-with-contempt-in-border-weapons-probe

 

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/holder-dragging-his-feet-investigating-operation-gunrunner

ATF arms linked to attempted shoot down of helicopter.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20069270-10391695.html

In this non-embeddable Youtube Video Obama denies neither he nor Eric Holder authorized or even knew about the these operations. Obama was speaking to Univision but Obama’s denial is not credible. Either Obama and Eric Holder knew about it and did nothing or actually authorized it or they are completely incompetent.

DEA finds stash of weapons supplied by the ATF.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20064443-10391695.html

 

 

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on June 11, 2011 - 10:06 pm

    The Wikipedia article on this suggests that the ATF may have gotten carried away by the prospect of ramping up their statistics of U.S. – origin firearms seized in Mexico. Which was dumb, if true. Clearly an investigation is called for.

    Let’s be fair– “Project Gunrunner” dates from 2005. That makes it another Bush fiasco which the right is going to try and pin on the Obama administration.

  2. #2 by Ted on June 11, 2011 - 10:35 pm

    Sure, it may have started under Bush and if so, he deserves just as much blame.. but you can’t simply shrug off Obama’s responsibility for continuing it.

    Why does the left think that simply blaming Bush absolves Obama of any responsibility for anything? The left says that the right lives in denial that Prs. Obama won the election. I’m wondering when Obama supporters will acknowledge that he is president.

  3. #3 by Ken on June 11, 2011 - 10:35 pm

    It may have started under Bush and any investigation should look into that as well but Obama continued it and now Eric Holder may be trying to stonewall which means there is something to this.

  4. #4 by Mr Jones on June 12, 2011 - 12:58 am

    Richard Warnik states:
    “Let’s be fair– “Project Gunrunner” dates from 2005. That makes it another Bush fiasco which the right is going to try and pin on the Obama administration.”

    Yes Richard, let’s be fair. Project Gunrunner started in 2005 and consisted of observing and arresting straw-purchasers BEFORE guns fell into the wrong hands.
    At issue specifically is “Fast and Furious” – started in 2009 under the umbrella of Gunrunner by the Holder DOJ as a means to artificially inflate the number of weapons from US gun shops entering Mexico. In effect, Holder’s DOJ instructed ATF to engage in gun smuggling to Mexico. It wasn’t a “sting”. It was DOJ sanctioned felony gun smuggling on a large scale. I’m sorry to dash your hopes of Bush being responsible, but Bush had nothing to do with this one. I would recommend gathering more facts before chiming in with ignorance-based comments – it makes you appear to be just one more liberal jackass who is long on opinion and short on facts.

    PS – Any comment that begins with “The Wikipedia article says…” is, at best, suspect. Those who have used the internet for more than week should know this by now.

  5. #5 by cav on June 12, 2011 - 9:46 am

    As much as I hate to do it, I must prepare to tear myself away from Sarah’s perfect bod, Anthony’s schlong, crumbling economy, drifting radiation, and the end of the world.

    Thank the deity it’s not another shark attack.

  6. #6 by Ken on June 12, 2011 - 9:57 am

    Mr Jones

    Excellent points. I found a video of Obama denying the whole thing but his denial is not credible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh37v_NkmM4&feature=related

    This video reminds me of Clinton saying “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”.

  7. #7 by Not sure but on June 12, 2011 - 3:46 pm

    Well, now. Northern Mexico is falling into anarchy fueled by drug money. Now there is a real threat to the United States.
    We have idiot cowboys playing games with guns.

    As far as I can tell more people died in 2010 in northern Mexico than were murdered in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya combined. I read articles saying graves with 100 murdered people have been discovered.

    Their oil is cheaper and closer than north Africa and the Middle East, why isn’t this a major major national security concern?

    I’m beginning to believe that President Obama actually thinks that he can become dictator of the world. Nothing else makes sense.

  8. #8 by Ken on June 12, 2011 - 3:59 pm

    We have already lost much of our southern borders. Border towns are crime ridden and controlled by drug lords even on the US side. Obama not only does nothing about it but either intentionally or un-intentionally is making it worse. To be fair Bush was no better. Both are open borders people and both believe an unsecure border will hasten that.

  9. #9 by Richard Warnick on June 12, 2011 - 6:07 pm

    I don’t know about “the left,” but I have often criticized the Obama administration for continuing to implement Bush administration policies. This may be another example of that. However, the facts are not all in. Ken’s blanket accusation that the Obama administration is doing nothing to control the borders is demonstrably false, as they have been deporting many more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration ever did.

  10. #10 by cav on June 12, 2011 - 6:08 pm

    I’m beginning to believe that President Obama actually thinks that he can become dictator of the world.

    In the special information packet he and all presidents inhabit, assisted by the special interests at his aid, it wouldn’t surprise me if you weren’t correct.

    Him, and the next president, and the one after that, and on…the tools are, or soon will be available.

  11. #11 by Ted on June 12, 2011 - 9:29 pm

    Richard, Obama openly mocked anyone who says the border isn’t safe, and then lied through his teeth about finishing the fence, and doubling the border patrol.

    He does worse than nothing, he mocks anyone who thinks he should do something.

  12. #12 by Prairie Wagon on June 13, 2011 - 10:13 am

    We can expect nothing less from the ObamaFraud.

  13. #13 by cav on June 13, 2011 - 10:54 am

    BUT, that would not lead one to believe turning it back to the republicans, would in any way be of comfort to the downtrodden (See: average citizen) – here or elsewhere.

    Our problems are as much systemic as they are the machinations of a small team of Dems or Republics – corrupt backers, and structural momentum are every bit as much of a obstacle to further social evolution.

  14. #14 by jjohnsen on June 13, 2011 - 11:08 am

    Scandal ready to explode!!!! lol

    I love the Drudge act.

  15. #15 by cav on June 13, 2011 - 11:14 am

    We had a govt like business type already, got wars and pharma pandering off the budget. (Obama put them into the budget where they belong, which is one very big reason why now things look so bad)

  16. #16 by cav on June 13, 2011 - 11:47 am

    To illustrate the point: OPERATION DOLLAR RUNNER –

    Pentagon officials determined that one giant C-130 Hercules cargo plane could carry $2.4 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks of $100 bills. They sent an initial full planeload of cash, followed by 20 other flights to Iraq by May 2004 in a $12-billion haul that U.S. officials believe to be the biggest international cash airlift of all time.

    The cash was carried by tractor-trailer trucks from the fortress-like Federal Reserve currency repository in East Rutherford, N.J., to Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, then flown to Baghdad. U.S. officials there stored the hoard in a basement vault at one of Hussein’s former palaces, and at U.S. military bases, and eventually distributed the money to Iraqi ministries and contractors.

    But U.S. officials often didn’t have time or staff to keep strict financial controls. Millions of dollars were stuffed in gunnysacks and hauled on pickups to Iraqi agencies or contractors, officials have testified.

    House Government Reform Committee investigators charged in 2005 that U.S. officials “used virtually no financial controls to account for these enormous cash withdrawals once they arrived in Iraq, and there is evidence of substantial waste, fraud and abuse in the actual spending and disbursement of the Iraqi funds.”

    Pentagon officials have contended for the last six years that they could account for the money if given enough time to track down the records. But repeated attempts to find the documentation, or better yet the cash, were fruitless.

  17. #17 by cav on June 13, 2011 - 11:52 am

    Then there was TARP – so now we’re broke!

    You blame Obama?

  18. #18 by Richard Warnick on June 13, 2011 - 1:50 pm

    Gunny sacks? You think they could at least have used duffel bags. ;-)

    BTW the Afghanistan story is similar, though it unfolded over a longer time period without the huge cash airlifts. The nexus of American $$$ and eastern traditions regarding payoffs to powerful people resulted in an exponential increase in corruption. To the extent that we were paying extra for supply shipments, so that the shippers could pay the Taliban to let the supplies through to our outposts!

  19. #19 by cav on June 13, 2011 - 2:28 pm

    Not to mention the whole theater of these wars really had little to do with 9-11. More of a pretext to run rampant in an ‘I’m not afraid’ to lie, kill and steal sort of way.

    Shameful.

  20. #20 by cav on June 13, 2011 - 2:45 pm

    Arms sales should have more Wallstreet involvement, that would give it the patina of legality.

  21. #21 by demandprogress on June 14, 2011 - 10:29 am

    great post! Very interesting

  22. #22 by Richard Warnick on June 15, 2011 - 8:45 am

    I’ve been watching for this “scandal” to “explode” on the cable TV news. So far, not so much as a firecracker.

  23. #23 by Richard Warnick on June 15, 2011 - 12:38 pm

    Via TPM, Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) and other Democrats used the House hearing on this to obtain testimony about how loose federal gun laws make the ATF’s job harder.

    House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) tried to limit the testimony, and failed.

    It would be fun if this led to better background checks on gun buyers.

  24. #24 by Ken on June 15, 2011 - 12:43 pm

    Richard

    So I take it you are defending the administration on this botched program that has resulted in the deaths of border agents?

  25. #25 by Richard Warnick on June 15, 2011 - 12:48 pm

    I would think twice before defending the Bush administration, who started this, or the Obama administration either. But one answer, as Rep. Maloney hinted, is to have background checks and waiting periods for gun buyers and more enforcement authority for the ATF. Also we really need to re-institute the assault weapons ban that lapsed during the Bush administration.

  26. #26 by Richard Warnick on June 15, 2011 - 4:27 pm

    Here’s what the Obama administration has to say:

    President Barack Obama has said neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder authorized the program and promised that consequences would flow from a Justice Department investigation.

    Who was in charge before January 20, 2009? Maybe we can investigate and find out! If they are going to drop that whole “look forward not backward” approach to law enforcement, then maybe AG Holder can also check on some violations of the U.N. Charter and the U.N. Convention Against Torture.

  27. #27 by Ken on June 15, 2011 - 5:54 pm

    Obama’s denial reminded me a lot of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”.

  28. #28 by cav on June 15, 2011 - 6:41 pm

    Ken, there’s no questioning that!

    Prosecuting any violation of the laws inevitably involves ‘looking back’ – it doesn’t matter what the crime, or who is accused, at the point of formulating court cases, a great deal of the matter is ‘in the past.

    Obama should get real about this stuff – There’s already an announced candidate who has promised to:

    Arrest the top right wing talk show hosts as enemy combatants.

    Arrest Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Gonzales and turn them over to The Hague for War Crimes prosecution.

    Of course he wasn’t on stage with the other puppets the other night.

  29. #29 by Richard Warnick on June 16, 2011 - 7:22 am

    cav–

    You have to admit being the Attorney General in a “look forward, not backward” administration is a pretty easy job. ;-)

  30. #30 by Ken on June 16, 2011 - 7:33 am

    Four ATF agents have contradicted the Justice Dept assertion the DOJ did everything they could to keep the weapons out of Mexico. In fact DOJ may have lied to Congress regarding this.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/15/four-atf-agents-contradict-justice-department-account-on-fast-and-furious/

  31. #31 by cav on June 16, 2011 - 7:59 am

    One of the problems is the shear amount of money these drug traders have access to – weapons costs are no doubt a relatively small part of their cash outlays.

    After that, and this is where they may essentially differ from rich capitalists from other spheres, they sometimes pick-up the costs of schools, and other community resources, so as to maintain a good standing in it.

    Of course, there’s always competition, mergers and acquisitions that seem to filter the scum upward – such is the free market.

    There’s no other way. Bullets are too cheap.

  32. #32 by cav on June 16, 2011 - 8:20 am

    Since this is related to the war on drugs thread, I’ll offer a contention that large pharmaceutical companies are significant players – it’s not all ‘recreational drugs’ we should consider saying “NO” to.

    Do you have depression? Here’s a new scare!

    By Martha Rosenberg

    The discovery that many people with life problems or occasional bad moods would willingly dose themselves with antidepressants sailed pharma through the 2000s. A good chunk of pharma’s $4.5 billion direct-to-consumer advertising has been devoted to convincing people they don’t have problems with their job, the economy and their family, they have depression. Especially because depression can’t be diagnosed from a blood test.

  33. #33 by cav on June 16, 2011 - 8:23 am

  34. #34 by Larry Bergan on June 18, 2011 - 6:16 pm

    cav:

    That’s a depressing link. There should be a law, but the lawmakers are on the dole. There used to be laws against ANY drug pushing on television, but that was then. :(

    Shrooms are the treatment program I would prefer, but as the article says:

    Does that sound like something you’d like to try? Well, you can’t: no matter how safe and beneficial it might be, psilocybin is a Schedule 1 controlled substance and you can’t have any. You may thank the War on Drugs whenever you like.

    Shrooms can be grown naturally, by anybody and that’s not something Big Pharma wants.

    I wonder why.

  35. #35 by Larry Bergan on June 18, 2011 - 6:24 pm

    As for the phony “war on drugs”/war on people, I must give Jimmy Carter’s sensible – what’s does that mean – solution, Which he tried to promote decades ago along with his sensible approach to oil addiction:

    “Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself.”

    MUCH too novel of an idea, I guess.

  36. #36 by brewski on June 19, 2011 - 10:03 pm

    Larry,
    You can grow all the weed you want in my book, as long as you share a few bong-hits with your good buddy brewski. ;-)

  37. #37 by Larry Bergan on June 19, 2011 - 10:55 pm

    Sorry brew, doobies also sport a schedule 1 distinction and I’ve already been put through the ringer once.

    Did you know that people who sell heroin can go to drug court in Utah, knowing they won’t face felony charges if they comply, but people who use, but don’t buy or sell marijuana can’t?

    It’s complex.

  38. #38 by Ken on June 20, 2011 - 1:00 pm

    ATF Director thrown under the bus while Obama does a Sgt Schultz. “I see nothing”.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/20/us.fast.and.furious/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

  39. #39 by Richard Warnick on June 20, 2011 - 1:05 pm

    The article makes no mention of the fact that weak federal gun laws are the problem, hampering efforts to stop firearms purchases by drug cartels at the point of sale in the USA. The law not only requires that prosecutors prove that someone lied on their application to obtain a gun for someone else, but that the person who ended up with the gun could not have legally purchased it on their own. This is, of course, all but an impossibility for prosecutors because there is usually no way for them to find out where the runner has transferred the weapon.

    It’s the NRA and the politicians who see nothing.

  40. #40 by Ken on June 28, 2011 - 2:08 pm

    The Obama Administration has waged an unprecedented war on whistleblowers. Now the administration has fired the whistleblower who exposed the gunrunner operation.

    Is there any doubt that we are in the midst of by far the most dangerous and destructive administration in history. I have never witnessed a time that our rights were under constant assault.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/botched-gun-operation/2011/06/28/obama-administration-fires-atf-whistleblower

  41. #41 by Richard Warnick on June 28, 2011 - 2:30 pm

    Ken–

    The Obama administration “looks forward, not backward,” when it comes to serious crimes like torture. Their attitude toward whistle-blowers isn’t that forgiving.

    If you think this is new, you must not have been paying attention during the Bush administration. That was eight years of assaults on our rights, including warrantless surveillance, the USA PATRIOT Act, suspension of habeas corpus, arbitrary imprisonment without charges, and the whole “Homeland Security” apparatus.

    With regard to our inadequate gun laws, any chance that Rep. Issa’s hearings will result in new federal legislation making it harder for “straw buyers” to get away with procuring weapons for the drug cartels? Or is this just an empty exercise of attempting to blame President Obama for a program begun under Bush?

  42. #42 by Larry Bergan on June 28, 2011 - 5:33 pm

    Not a single whistle blower survived the Bush years, Ken. I’m not saying I like the fact that Obama isn’t any better on that front, but let’s not forget where this really started.

  43. #43 by Richard Warnick on July 11, 2011 - 5:31 pm

    The truth finally catches up with the lies.

    Right Wing’s ATF Attacks Undermined By Their Inability To Keep Basic Facts Straight

    Right-wing media are baselessly attacking the Obama administration by falsely conflating Project Gunrunner, a program of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) that was begun under President Bush, and Operation Fast and Furious, a controversial initiative undertaken by Phoenix’s Gunrunner group in which agents knowingly allowed guns to be trafficked across the border to Mexico.

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