This is What Occupy Wall Street (OWS) Wants and We Want it NOW!

Posted by Cliff Lyon in Activist groups, Corporate Socialism, Democracy, Economy, Free Speech, Occupy SLC, Occupy Wall Street, Poverty, Unemployment on November 23rd, 2011

I want to think this is a broadly acceptable message everyone can agree upon. Lets occupy our democracy.

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#1 by Larry Bergan on November 23, 2011 - 10:16 pm

You have love Robert Reich. He is the Einstein of labor and should still be doing that job for Obama.

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#2 by Rico on November 24, 2011 - 7:12 am

Five to one, baby
One in five
No one here gets out alive, now
You get yours, baby
I’ll get mine
Gonna make it, baby
If we try

The old get old
And the young get stronger
May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We’re takin’ over
Come on!

#3 by brewski on November 24, 2011 - 7:33 am

You mean Robert “Obama has ended democracy as we know it” Reich?

That Robert Reich?

#4 by Larry Bergan on November 24, 2011 - 9:57 am

Rico:

I love that song!

The wonderful young people of this new movement are welcoming the old farts who want to help in. I hope it stays that way.

I have lots of them, but this is my favorite Doors song and is also reflected in the title of this post:

We’ve waited for social justice long enough and creative non-violence is going to make it happen!

#5 by Larry Bergan on November 24, 2011 - 10:02 am

brewski:

I don’t know whether Reich said that or not, but if he did, you have to respect that our side is willing to criticize their own and even “mic-check” their own president; don’t you?

By the way, you have to admit that Obama handled the “mic-check” really well.

#6 by Richard Warnick on November 24, 2011 - 2:02 pm

If you Google “Obama has ended democracy as we know it,” all ten results come from One Utah comments.

Here’s what Robert Reich did say, last July:

The only way out of the vicious economic cycle is for government to adopt an expansionary fiscal policy — spending more in the short term in order to make up for the shortfall in consumer demand. This would create jobs, which will put money in peoples’ pockets, which they’d then spend, thereby persuading employers to do more hiring. The consequential job growth will also help reduce the long-term ratio of debt to GDP. It’s a win-win.

This is not rocket science. And it’s not difficult for government to do this — through a new WPA or Civilian Conservation Corps, an infrastructure bank, tax incentives for employers to hire, a two-year payroll tax holiday on the first $20K of income, and partial unemployment benefits for those who have lost part-time jobs.

Yet the parallel universe called Washington is moving in exactly the opposite direction. Republicans are proposing to cut the budget deficit this year and next, which will result in more job losses. And Democrats, from the President on down, seem unable or unwilling to present a bold jobs plan to reverse the vicious cycle of unemployment. Instead, they’re busily playing “I can cut the deficit more than you” — trying to hold their Democratic base by calling for $1 of tax increases (mostly on the wealthy) for every $3 of spending cuts.

All of this is making the vicious economic cycle worse — and creating a vicious political cycle to accompany it.

As more and more Americans lose faith that their government can do anything to bring back jobs and wages, they are becoming more susceptible to the Republican’s oft-repeated lie that the problem is government — that if we shrink government, jobs will return, wages will rise, and it will be morning in America again. And as Democrats, from the President on down, refuse to talk about jobs and wages, but instead play the deficit-reduction game, they give even more legitimacy to this lie and more momentum to this vicious political cycle.

I think there is a problem with government. Washington politicians are not representing 99 percent of Americans, and most of them are not even proposing to do what needs to be done to recover our economy. That means at the very least that American democracy needs a re-boot. Let’s hope it’s not the end.

#7 by Larry Bergan on November 24, 2011 - 10:39 pm

brewski?

#8 by brewski on November 26, 2011 - 7:14 am

http://www.salon.com/2009/08/10/pharma/

Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that’s the case, our democracy is in terrible shape. How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation? When will it become standard practice that such deals come with hundreds of millions of dollars of industry-sponsored TV advertising designed to persuade the public that the legislation is in the public’s interest? (Any Democrats and progressives who might be reading this should ask themselves how they’ll feel when a Republican White House cuts such deals to advance its own legislative priorities.)

We’re on a precarious road — and wherever it leads, it’s not toward democracy.

#9 by Larry Bergan on November 26, 2011 - 9:50 am

You just proved my point. Salon is a pretty liberal publication and it is criticizing Obama. No eleventh commandment on OUR side.

#10 by Larry Bergan on November 26, 2011 - 10:20 pm

You haven’t provided a link to prove Reich said that, but you have to admit that Obama is the coolest cat we’ve ever had in office.

#11 by brewski on November 27, 2011 - 3:02 am

Reich did say that Obama was undermining democracy.

I don’t want a cool cat. I want someone who solves problems.

#12 by Larry Bergan on November 27, 2011 - 3:26 am

But Bush was undermining democracy and he was a blithering idiot.

The masses are the only ones who can solve our problems, and they ain’t gonna be elected by Diebold.

The masses just need some time to think. We’ll figure it out.

Agree?

#13 by cav on November 27, 2011 - 9:10 am

And for the economists in the haus:

$707,568,901,000,000: How (And Why) Banks Increased Total Outstanding Derivatives By A Record $107 Trillion In 6 Months

For the six month period ended June 30, 2011, the total number of outstanding derivatives surged past the previous all time high of $673 trillion from June 2008, and is now firmly in 7-handle territory: The synthetic credit bubble has now been blown to a new all time high.

Another way of looking at the data is that one of the key contributors to global growth and prosperity in the past 10 years was an increase in total derivatives from just under $100 trillion to $708 trillion in exactly one decade. And soon we have to pay the mean reversion price.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/707568901000000-how-and-why-banks-increased-total-outstanding-derivatives-record-107-trillion-6

#14 by Karen on November 27, 2011 - 9:40 am

Cool. I’m posting this on fb.

#15 by Larry Bergan on November 27, 2011 - 10:38 am

cav:

Trillion; Gazillion ; Schmazillion.

Money sucks!

And I say that knowing that unless somebody runs over my foot in their car, I’ll probably be OK. I work hard as hell, but have not a scosh, (spelling?) of health insurance.

I have insurance on my car in case I hit somebody with it.

#16 by cav on November 27, 2011 - 12:06 pm

Well, if a fair share of that were yours to insure with, you’d have much less anxiety. I’m not suggesting you give all that up since some anxiety is good for you – only not too much. There are presently 6 billion people, man, woman and child. $107 plus trillion in six months. Rocket science it ain’t.

Occupy the trillions! We’re rich I tell you. Austerity is just another way the bankers have of separating us from our wealth. Those tables ought to be turned, and they are.

#17 by Larry Bergan on November 27, 2011 - 8:46 pm

You will admit that Obama is articulate and Bush was…
……………

You decide.

#18 by Nathan Erkkila on November 27, 2011 - 8:51 pm

Obama is way more cunning and way more… Machiavellian than Bush was. He always manages to make the republicans look bad.

#19 by cav on November 27, 2011 - 9:42 pm

Nathan, Pardon me, but there just has to be another explanation for the republican looking bad besides how they compare to Obama. I would suggest, as have so many others, it has a great deal to do with allegiances, policy, and a pathological tendency to thwart progressiveism especially, and generally, all things democratic.

#20 by cav on November 27, 2011 - 9:51 pm

At the risk of being shot directly to the troll bucket, I would like to point out that, in my estimation, the experiment of labelling some of our valued commenters as ‘trolls’ and diverting their comments to the ‘bucket’, both diminishes the discussion and stirs anger in all those who really do value openness.

#21 by Larry Bergan on November 27, 2011 - 9:56 pm

Making Republicans look bad in 2011 requires nothing. Sadly, Democrats aren’t much different.

Wish it weren’t true.

I’ve been relegated to voting for the not-much-different for years. I will continue to hold my nose and do so.

Crap!

#22 by Nathan Erkkila on November 27, 2011 - 9:59 pm

Cav: I would agree. There is a lot of anti-progressive policies that the GOP has. Thinking that removing NPR and the department of education is another way of bringing jobs to America.

Think of it this way. The GOP was elected because the democrats were incompetent (Sorry they were) and then the GOP brought up bills that were destructive. Would that catch 22 not make you want to revolt?

#23 by cav on November 28, 2011 - 9:42 am

bageant:

However, the unasked question still hangs in the air: Does the money economy even exist anymore? Is it still there? (was it ever?) Or are we all blindly going through the motions because:

A: we do not understand that, for all practical historical purposes, it’s over;

B: we do not know how to do anything else so we keep dancing with the corpse of the hyper-capitalist economy;

C: the right calamity has not come down the pike to knock us loose from the spell of the dance,

or D: we’re so friggin brain dead, commodities engorged and internally colonized by capitalist industrialism that nobody cares, and therefore it no longer matters.

This is multiple choice, and it counts ten points toward survival, come the collapse.

If there is no economy left, what the hell are we all participating in? A mirage? The zombie ball? The short answer is: Because the economy is a belief system, you are participating in whatever you believe you are. Personally, I believe we are participating in a modern extension of the feudal system, with bankers as the new feudal barons and credit demographics as their turf. But then, I drink and take drugs.