Voter fraud, dragon bones edition

Really, at the end of the day, nobody cuts through the shit like Jon Stewart. The start of a new semester has slowed me down, but his coverage of the voter fraud problem from a few days ago is simply classic. Both clips are a must see.

Daily show makes no dragon bones about fraud.

  1. #1 by brewski on August 24, 2012 - 3:29 am

    That would be pretty compelling, if it were true:

    The Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s voter identification law, concluding that the challengers failed to prove that the law’s photo ID requirement placed an unconstitutional burden on the right to vote.

    In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.

    Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

    Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present on the voter rolls nationwide.

  2. #2 by Shane on August 24, 2012 - 7:49 am

    And yet only 10 of them actually voted. Meanwhile GOP based voter laws will (shockingly) depress dem turnout.

    Silly facts.

  3. #3 by brewski on August 24, 2012 - 7:49 am

    Factually untrue.

  4. #4 by Shane on August 24, 2012 - 1:42 pm

    Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.

    “There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election,” Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.

    Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: “If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.”

    So, accidental votes, people who don’t understand the rules, and people accidentally enrolled to vote when they complete other paper work like change of address forms. Check. Actually purposeful fraud, nope, can’t find it

    The clear solution is to impose rules that keep tens or even hundreds of thousands of voters for voting. And if that just happens to keep a certain parties support down, well, it isn’t like that was on purpose!

  5. #5 by brewski on August 24, 2012 - 3:39 pm

    177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

    So much for John Stewart’s lie of 10 nationwide.


  6. #6 by Larry Bergan on August 24, 2012 - 4:48 pm

    The Diane Rehm show had a program last Tuesday about voting. From the show:


    And I went and I looked for my book to find any election in the last generation where there was the potential for impersonation fraud to affect the outcome of the election and I couldn’t find a single example. So I’ve been saying this — on my election blog, I’ve been saying this for years, there’s no examples. Hans von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation put out a report of the Heritage Foundation, said a grand jury report from New York shows that impersonation voter fraud is a serious problem. Look at this 1984 report.

    Now put aside the fact that 1984 is not that recent and the report covered 1968 to 1982. I wrote to von Spakovsky who had written to me before to put things on my blog, I’d like to see the report. Silence, didn’t hear from him. Put it up on my blog, I’d like to see the report. Does anyone have the report? Silence. I wrote to the president of the Heritage Foundation and said I’d like to see the report. Silence. No one would give me the report. It’s a principle of scholarship that you share your data so people can verify it.

    Eventually, the UC Irvine Law librarians were able to track down someone at the district attorney’s office in Brooklyn who found a copy of the report. I posted it on my blog. It’s now available to the public. What did it show? No impersonation voter fraud, collusion by election officials. You had party officials in the — hiding in the ceiling of the Brooklyn Board of Elections waiting for the lights to go out so they could go and change registration cards, but no impersonation voter fraud without the collusion of election officials.

    The Hans von Spakovsky – shill – talked about in this section of the show was a guest on another recent Rehm show that I posted about here. These people trained for decades now by what they, affectionately, call call “think tanks” are nothing but propagandists. They should be called ‘thought tanks’ because it’s all about thought control.

  7. #7 by brewski on August 24, 2012 - 4:52 pm

    Whew, so that makes me feel so much better to know that the Dems only steal elections by hiding in ceilings and changing registration cards.

  8. #8 by Larry Bergan on August 24, 2012 - 5:01 pm


    Are you going to make me put up that Paul Weyrich video here?

  9. #9 by cav on August 24, 2012 - 6:09 pm

    Jumping to conclusions much. I see nowhere in the quote above indicating the party associated with those hiding in the ceiling.

    there’s a better than even chance it was republicans hiding there.

    Your ideological colors never seem to fade. Sadly.

  10. #10 by Larry Bergan on August 24, 2012 - 6:27 pm

    Took brewski all of four minutes after I posted my comment to find out it was democrats who were changing the registration cards. He’s GOOD!

    Doesn’t seem to quick on whether I should re-post the Weyrich video, but since it’s important to the discussion here because Weyrich co-founded the “Heritage Foundation” which spawned Mr. Hans von Spakovsky – shill; I just feel compelled.

    Of course Weyrich also founded – vote suppressing – ALEC. It’s a small world after all.

  11. #11 by cav on August 24, 2012 - 6:46 pm

    I’d still like to see his ‘work’. Links please – before I write:

    So be it. It is not as though dems in general are above anything…I refer you to blue-dog dems. where’s my doggie bag?

    On the other hand if a race were even remotely close, republicans will steal it.

  12. #12 by brewski on August 24, 2012 - 11:29 pm

    “”If we want to stop or at least reduce outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries, we should tax outsourcing. In my view, that would be a good new tax.”
    Paul Weyrich

  13. #13 by Larry Bergan on August 25, 2012 - 12:01 am

    Maybe we should have outsourced Paul Weyrich and taxed him.

    `Larry Bergan

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