‘Justice will be done… history is on our side… a rising tide of liberty will never be reversed’

Obama at UN

President Obama gave a great speech at the United Nations General Assembly this morning. The rest of the world wants to believe that America has not abandoned its founding principles, and our President says we have not. If only his actions conformed to the Constitution, I’d be happy to support him.

We were inspired by the Tunisian protests that toppled a dictator, because we recognized our own beliefs in the aspirations of men and women who took to the streets.

We insisted on change in Egypt, because our support for democracy put us on the side of the people.

We supported a transition of leadership in Yemen, because the interests of the people were not being served by a corrupt status quo.

We intervened in Libya alongside a broad coalition, and with the mandate of the U.N. Security Council, because we had the ability to stop the slaughter of innocents; and because we believed that the aspirations of the people were more powerful than a tyrant.

And as we meet here, we again declare that the regime of Bashar al-Assad must come to an end so that the suffering of the Syrian people can stop, and a new dawn can begin.

We have taken these positions because we believe that freedom and self-determination are not unique to one culture. These are not simply American values or Western values – they are universal values.

American foreign policy ought to be on the side of the 99 Percent. Similarly, our government ought to stand up for the 99 Percent of Americans.

Citing Nelson Mandela, President Obama received loud applause.

And yet the turmoil of recent weeks reminds us that the path to democracy does not end with the casting of a ballot. Nelson Mandela once said: “to be free is not merely to cast off one’s chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.” True democracy demands that citizens cannot be thrown in jail because of what they believe, and businesses can be opened without paying a bribe. It depends on the freedom of citizens to speak their minds and assemble without fear; on the rule of law and due process that guarantees the rights of all people.

In other words, true democracy – real freedom – is hard work. Those in power have to resist the temptation to crack down on dissent. In hard economic times, countries may be tempted to rally the people around perceived enemies, at home and abroad, rather than focusing on the painstaking work of reform.

And he offered this comment on the limits of American power:

Just as we cannot solve every problem in the world, the United States has not, and will not, seek to dictate the outcome of democratic transitions abroad, and we do not expect other nations to agree with us on every issue.

He implicitly rejected the neocon view of a world divided, but failed to address the violence against innocent civilians that is perpetrated by the USA:

A politics based only on anger –one based on dividing the world between us and them – not only sets back international cooperation, it ultimately undermines those who tolerate it. All of us have an interest in standing up to these forces. Let us remember that Muslims have suffered the most at the hands of extremism. On the same day our civilians were killed in Benghazi, a Turkish police officer was murdered in Istanbul only days before his wedding; more than ten Yemenis were killed in a car bomb in Sana’a; and several Afghan children were mourned by their parents just days after they were killed by a suicide bomber in Kabul.

…We know from painful experience that the path to security and prosperity does not lie outside the boundaries of international law and respect for human rights.

President Obama concluded (as he began) by citing the example of Chris Stevens, our murdered ambassador to Libya.

And today I promise you this – long after these killers are brought to justice, Chris Stevens’ legacy will live on in the lives he touched. In the tens of thousands who marched against violence through the streets of Benghazi; in the Libyans who changed their Facebook photo to one of Chris; in the sign that read, simply, “Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.

They should give us hope. They should remind us that so long as we work for it justice will be done; that history is on our side; and that a rising tide of liberty will never be reversed. Thank you.

New Stanford/NYU study documents the civilian terror from Obama’s drones

The study’s purpose was to conduct an “independent investigations into whether, and to what extent, drone strikes in Pakistan conformed to international law and caused harm and/or injury to civilians”.

Romney’s Version of Diplomacy: Insult Egypt, Paint the Developing World as Global Welfare Queen

In his first major foreign policy address, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney today laid out a vision for international development steeped in Tea Party ideology… Romney …threw some red meat at his base by ticking off unfavorable developments currently faced by the U.S. in the Muslim world, listing among them the fact that “the president of Egypt is a member of the Muslim brotherhood.”

…A foreign policy expert texted me a single word: “Thud.”

  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on September 25, 2012 - 4:49 pm

    No comments? I’m disappointed.

  2. #2 by brewski on September 25, 2012 - 5:34 pm

    You confuse me too much. First you tell me that foreign policy should not be about principle and that it should only be about power. Then you waffle on about democracy and freedom and all of that neocon moral stuff. So which is it? Did they teach you to master the skill of self-contradiction at Georgetown?

  3. #3 by brewski on September 26, 2012 - 9:06 am

    Obama lies to the UN:

    “There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy.”

    Didn’t he get the intel? The attack on the embassy was pre-planned and had nothing to do with the video.

  4. #4 by Richard Warnick on September 26, 2012 - 9:09 am

    This is why neocons don’t understand foreign policy, they are easily confused.

    Almost 200 years ago, John Quincy Adams explained the balance between American principles and practical diplomacy. Yesterday, I think President Obama also did a creditable job, rhetorically speaking. It’s some of his decisions that I don’t like, things that will hurt our security and our national reputation.

    Our embassy in Egypt was attacked by an angry mob upset about that stupid video. That’s what President Obama was referring to, not the attack on the consulate in Benghazi. What bothers me is that Obama never mentioned the U.S. drone assassinations that have killed hundreds of innocent people. Everyone in the room must have been aware of this.

  5. #5 by Cliff on September 26, 2012 - 9:57 am

    But where is the lie Breswki? The African Prince has NEVER told a lie. Thats gotta suck for old white guys.

  6. #6 by brewski on September 26, 2012 - 10:28 am

    You are older and whiter than I.

    If you can’t read the lie then I can’t read it for you. I guess they skipped reading at your 3rd rate preppy school.

  7. #7 by brewski on September 26, 2012 - 10:49 am

    “The African Prince has NEVER told a lie.”

    Cliff, your statement just shows what a stupid sack of shit you are. Obama lies all the time and it has been documented and verified by people not named Fox.



  8. #8 by Jonesy on September 26, 2012 - 11:27 am

    Cliff once again editing things that embarrass him, what a loser.

    Yeah it’s rising tide alright..of sewage.

  9. #9 by Jonesy on September 26, 2012 - 11:28 am

    Gitmo? Wasn’t there some promise about gitmo never met? One of dozens of lies.

  10. #10 by brewski on September 26, 2012 - 7:46 pm

    This article was written especially for Cliff. It is not from me. It is not from Fox. It is not from Rush. It is not from Hannity. It is from The Atlantic.
    Read it word for word.

  11. #11 by Jonesy on September 27, 2012 - 8:51 am

    Thanks brewski…cool refreshment!

    This has been my argument since day 1 that the man carried out bush policy of drone war, which is basically CFR policy, led by Brezezinski and crew.

    Larry, this you must read.

  12. #12 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 9:01 am

    I think Richard agrees with it.
    Just want Cliff to admit it.

  13. #13 by Jonesy on September 27, 2012 - 9:04 am

    Don’t hold your breath.

  14. #14 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 9:24 am

    Cliff never lets evidence get in the way of a good partisan bias.

  15. #15 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 9:33 am

    This actually raises another point that I heard someone say. Given Obama’s record economically, politically and in foreign policy, if the GOP can’t win this election then they should just disband and reconstitute themselves in some other form. Obama is so bad that if the GOP can’t beat him then they have no one to blame but themselves. There were so many other Republicans who either didn’t run at all or never got any traction, that what we ended up with is a pretty weak candidate. This is all we can come up with? When I listen to Romney I don’t hear any big ideas, no structural reform. The country would support anyone who has those and we have two candidates who don’t.

  16. #16 by Cliff on September 27, 2012 - 1:38 pm

    You girls are so predictable and SO tired.

    First Jonesy,

    The GITMO thing was a promise. Unfulfilled promises are not the same as empirical falsehoods.

    AND by the way, the GOP blocked closing GITMO as they have everything else. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/8/congress-deals-death-blow-gitmo-closure/?page=all

    Now Brewski,

    Notwithstanding the fact that Political is a self-promoting, for profit outfit run by wingers, they still show 3x more Pants on Fire for Rmoney than the guy who killed Osama bin Laden.

    Obama has 94 and 98% true and mostly true respectively. By comparison, Romney is 28 and 23%.


    You may not like Maddow, but you cant find anything wrong about this. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/02/rachel-maddow-attacks-politifact-again-115053.html

  17. #17 by Cliff on September 27, 2012 - 1:46 pm

    Here’s an idea: Lets both pick the most egregious Pants on Fire Lie from our respective Nemesis and compare them.

    I pick: Romney said that “redistribution” has “never been a characteristic of America.” http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/20/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-redistribution-has-never-been-cha/

    Now you girls pick one from you Politifact list.

  18. #18 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 2:09 pm

    It matters not whether Romney lies more than Obama, or whether Maddow likes Politifact or not, or whether Poltifact has a conservative leaning or not. What matters is just whether Obama has ever lied once, ever. Since your claim is that Obama has never lied ever once, then all I need to do is show one lie. That is the only burden on me since it is your claim that Obama has not made one single lie ever. So the rest of your babbling doesn’t matter.

    See the lie:

    And see the truth:
    “CBO and JCT now estimate that about 6 million people will pay a penalty because they are uninsured in 2016 (a figure that includes uninsured dependents who have the penalty paid on their behalf) and that total collections will be about $7 billion in 2016 and average about $8 billion per year over the 2017–2022 period.”
    Congressional Budget Office

    You have lost badly.

  19. #19 by Cliff on September 27, 2012 - 3:03 pm

    Sorry Brewski,

    Pledge / Promise, same thing. Not the same as material, empirically provable lies.

    Someone said, “there are lies and there are damned lies.”

    You bore me with your semantics. Your standards are clear. Mine are much higher than yours.

    You can’t find an Obama lie that has anywhere NEAR the material substance of the kinds of lies told everyday by so many of your crumbling party.

    I thought you were a business man. Have you never had to make a decision on an audit, offering or loan about material disclosures? Perhaps not.

    Or perhaps you understand this point perfectly and choose to shape shift.

    Thats why your party has been reduced to a bunch of Carnival Barkers.

    Pathetic, greedy, lying, brutally uninformed green donkey dick sucking, racist assholes.

    Just sayin’

  20. #20 by Richard Warnick on September 27, 2012 - 5:04 pm

    “Obama is so bad that if the GOP can’t beat him then they have no one to blame but themselves.”

    You bet. Between the Party of NO and the Tea-GOP, they have alienated the vast majority of Americans. But I expect they will blame Willard for being a poor candidate, who got the nomination because it was his turn. Which is only part of the reason.

  21. #21 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 5:11 pm

    So you are excusing Hussein’s “firm pledge” which he broke like a cheap chinese Wizard of Oz collectors glass made with lead and cadmium? These are your high standards?

    So your high standards allow that “no tax of any kind” means the same thing as an excise tax on diabetic equipment?

    Your high standards allow you to poison children with your cheap shit shoddy landfill waste child labor crap?

    Are you trying to be funny or do you really don’t understand that you are evil on so many levels, both personally and professionally?

    Sounds like you know a lot about donkey dick sucking.

  22. #22 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 6:56 pm

    Lies by Obama in one sentence:

    “Ultimately, I’m confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress,”

    So overturning a law would be “unprecedented” and the law was “passed by a strong majority”. Let’s look at these lies.

    1. Overturning the law would be “unprecedented”

    The US Supreme Court has declared a total of 1,315 laws (as of 2002, the most recent year for which statistics are available; the database may be updated in 2012) unconstitutional using the process of judicial review.

    The first time the Court declared a federal law unconstitutional was in Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion for Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137 (1803), in which he asserted Section 13 of the Judiciary Act of 1789 was unconstitutional because it extended to the Supreme Court an act of original jurisdiction not explicitly granted by the Constitution.

    2. The law was passed with “strong majorities”

    The House passed the bill with a vote of 219 to 212 on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats voting against it.

    So 2 verifiable lies of fact in one sentence. Looks like Cliff is getting the donkey’s dick up his ass on this one.

    Get used to losing Cliff. You are out of your depth with me.

  23. #23 by cav on September 27, 2012 - 9:04 pm

    Be that as it may, and I’m not going to pick any arguments with Cliff’s qualifications about promises v lies, but I do think it may have somehow escaped your noticed: Republicans lie about just about everything. It’s what they do.

  24. #25 by brewski on September 27, 2012 - 9:22 pm

    Cav, besides the point. The point is Cliff’s assertion “The African Prince has NEVER told a lie.”

    That has nothing to do with Romney or the GOP or the Oompa Loompahs. The point is that Cliff is taking it up the ass.

    The African Prince lied. Cliff poisons children. That is all we need to know.

  25. #26 by cav on September 27, 2012 - 10:22 pm

    Yea, but donkey dicks up the ass, while Rmoney reaps the Celestial Kingdom seems to me to be ever-so-slightly prejudiced.

    Or just another instance of.

    The ‘African Prince’ has clearly never been anything but nonsense – no more meaningful or informed than opening windows on high-flying jets. Children have more smarts than to be poisoned by any of this.
    All we really need to know is that none of us (at least those of us beyond childhood) are without failings of some sort.

  26. #27 by Larry Bergan on September 27, 2012 - 11:15 pm

    brewski and jonesy wanted me to read an article by a political writer for “The Atlantic”.

    I skimmed through it and didn’t find much more then the good-old line: “they’re all the same”.

    It’s been a long time policy of Republicans to discourage as many people as they could from voting, because they know that the more people vote, the more they lose.

    Maybe I missed it, but the aforementioned political writer didn’t mention who HE’S voting for, did he? What a jackass!

    I would love to vote for Rocky Anderson, but I’m going to vote for Obama because I want to show the nation that Salt Lake county is STILL voting for Democrats. We voted for John Kerry and Obama. It’s an untold story, but we did.

    Besides, Obama has done some really good things despite opposition from Republicans who could care less what helps Americans or the rest of the world.

  27. #28 by brewski on September 28, 2012 - 7:37 am

    John Kerry? You mean the out of touch zillionaire who never earned it and didn’t pay his taxes?

  28. #29 by Jonesy on September 28, 2012 - 9:21 am

    Nobody has to tell you who they are voting for Larry, the secret ballot is a long standing American right and guarantee, are you somehow against this? That would be a non sequitor gaping hole in what appears to be your progressive liberal belief system.

    The article states the reasons under constitution why no one sworn to uphold and defend the law of the land can vote for obama. It doesn’t matter who you vote for at this point, but due to the naked evidence, just not him.

    He has by fiat instituted laws that constitute laws of attainder, which means they are un-constitutional and have no force to be obeyed. That he has advocated for these laws makes him unacceptable to remain as sworn president of the United States. Period.

    Vote for anyone else, a vote for obama is a vote for more unconstitutional laws at home, and international war crimes under his auspice overseas. This is the reality. There is absolutely NO good that can come from it.

    What ” really good things” Larry? You sound like a 5 year old on Christmas morning…sheesh!!

  29. #30 by Gloria on September 28, 2012 - 11:25 am


    You sound like a cop. I didnt get where Larry suggested the secrecy of one’s vote should not be sacrosanct (I hope that word is not too big for you).

    In fact, it sounds like the only thing one could construe as approaching an intellectual pursuit is acting as a vigilante whistle-blower, exposing liberals where ever we sneaky devils appear.

    I note your signature value-added service is adding your own expansive characterization of “liberal thinking.”

    Its gotta suck waking up every morning and being reminded the Brown Shirts stopped hiring in 1945. But look on the bright side; more time to pursue your GED.

  30. #31 by Cliff Lyon on September 28, 2012 - 11:40 am

    Welcome Gloria!

    Its such a pleasure to see another well-spoken, clearly educated LIBERAL, calling out our pathetic uneducated, fellow Americans with such eloquence.

    Please come back often.

  31. #32 by brewski on September 28, 2012 - 2:23 pm

    Gloria, please meet Richard Warnick. He has made it a rule on this site to never mention anything having to do with Nazis. Please speak to him about this rule.

  32. #33 by Larry Bergan on September 28, 2012 - 7:10 pm

    Yes; welcome Gloria, but I have to make a disclaimer.

    I don’t think people should be forced to disclose who they’re voting for. I understand there is a history of employers who would not be happy to know an employee wasn’t voting in the company’s interest, but other then that, I can’t see a reason to keep it secret. It’s nearly impossible to find a company to work for these days that would be happy their employees were voting democratic, but that’s never stopped me from speaking my mind and it sort of makes me mad that people keep their preference secret.

    This is a BIG problem in Utah because unless you say you’re a democrat here, everybody naturally assumes you’re a republican, even though Mormons voted mostly for democrats before 1979.

    The way I feel about it is this. If you’re embarrassed or too cowardly to say who you’re voting for, you probably shouldn’t be voting.

  33. #34 by Larry Bergan on September 28, 2012 - 7:14 pm

    Good to see you around, Cliff!

  34. #35 by Larry Bergan on September 28, 2012 - 7:26 pm


    What really good things has Obama accomplished.

    Bill Clinton laid it out perfectly at the Democratic National Convention:

    Full transcript here.

  35. #36 by cav on September 28, 2012 - 10:03 pm

    There may have been more as well but for: (In case you missed it the first time)

    Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama’s Inauguration. In Robert Draper’s book, “Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives” Draper wrote that during a four hour, “invitation only” meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America’s Economy.

    Frank Luntz – GOP Minister of Propaganda
    Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
    Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
    Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
    Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
    Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
    Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
    Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
    Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
    Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
    Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
    Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
    Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).Non-lawmakers present
    Newt Gingrich

    During the four hour meeting: The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

  36. #37 by brewski on September 28, 2012 - 10:56 pm

    You mean when Bill Clinton took credit for what the GOP Congress did and the previous Dem Congress didn’t do?

  37. #38 by Larry Bergan on September 28, 2012 - 10:59 pm

    Frank Luntz – GOP Minister of Propaganda

    cav; you just made that up!

    He’s the CBS/GOP Minister of Propaganda.

    Wow! A one-on-one with Christine O’Donnell and Frank Luntz. I’m riveted CBS. Keep the bullshit comin’.

  38. #39 by brewski on September 28, 2012 - 11:05 pm

    Cav, you mean this was when the Dems controlled both houses of congress by wide margins and could have and did pass all the bills they wanted to?

    They passed Obamacare, they passed ARRA, they had two years to pass anything they wanted to. Any thing they failed to do was their own failing and cannot be blamed on the party not in power.

    Harry Reid hasn’t even brought Obama budget to a vote, nevermind passed it.

    You need to study history a bit more.


    This is not opinion. This is not spin. This is history.

  39. #40 by Larry Bergan on September 28, 2012 - 11:28 pm


    What do you mean, “it’s not opinion”?

    It’s on the opinion page.

    Your side used to call CNN “the Clinton News Network”. Of course, these days, it’s gone so far right, they decided to quit calling it that. The entire staff was purged of everybody who wouldn’t go after Clinton during the Clinton impeachment.

    Are you really pointing us to CNN? The article is venomous, not bipartisan.

  40. #41 by brewski on September 28, 2012 - 11:38 pm

    Is it just my opinion and spin that the Dems controlled both houses of Congress from 2007 – 2011? Yes or no?

  41. #42 by Larry Bergan on September 28, 2012 - 11:55 pm

    The corporations control both Houses of Congress, The Executive Branch and the Supreme Court.

    The Democrats are struggling to do anything. Blue dogs infiltrate the ranks. Republicans don’t have an equivalent and always follow Reagan’s 11th commandment.

    Republicans never rock the Republican boat. They prefer to stay comfortable in the midst of societal breakdown. They only do what Grover Norquist tells them to.

  42. #43 by cav on September 29, 2012 - 11:33 am

    And in a manner completely contrary to the Bush admin, who squeezed into office on one supreme court vote – then acted as though the had an ALL-CAPS-MANDATE, the newly elected Obama regime, for some odd reason decided to play the ‘bipartisan ship’ – I wanna be your date-rape victim card, much to the consternation of a fat chunk of the voters who worked so hard to landslide them into office. So, between the conspiracy to thwart and the ridiculous dem submission – a great opportunity was blown.

    I’ll go that far with you.

  43. #44 by Jonesy on September 29, 2012 - 1:28 pm

    Gloria must be related to Gliff and GLarry. Gloria, really?

    Glarry, the Democrats controlled both houses and the presidency and still blew it. There’s nothing for it, it’s their own fault.

  44. #45 by Larry Bergan on September 29, 2012 - 8:40 pm


    That’s “Mr. Bergan” to you.

  45. #46 by Jonesy on September 30, 2012 - 10:05 am

    Is that a 1/4 lb or 8 ounce patty?

  46. #47 by Larry Bergan on September 30, 2012 - 10:51 am

    Whatever it takes to keep my computer going. 🙂

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