Poorly Phrased Question

Interesting interview with one of the mini-Mitts:

BILL LUMAYE: I’m going to ask something I think a lot of people want to know, or at least I do. What is it like for you to hear the President of the United States call your dad a liar. How do you react to that?

TAGG ROMNEY: Jump out of your seat and you want to rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him. But you know you can’t do that because… Well, first there is a lot of Secret Service between you and him but also because this is the nature of the process.

You know another question we could ask Tagg or Catch or Hula Hoop or whatever his name is? How about “how does it feel to hear the President call your dad a liar, and then have the fact checkers back it up?” We could also phrase that as ‘how does it feel to know your dad is a liar and pathetic sack of shit?’”

But then Foursquare or whatever his name is is the same quality jerk. What is his worry about taking a swing at a guy for being right? Oh yeah, the secret service.

They sure raise those Romney’s to be classy.

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 12:02 am

    I don’t recall President Obama calling Romney a liar. He simply pointed out that some things Romney says are not true. Well, basically everything he says.

    As in the last debate, Romney even contradicted the policy positions of his own campaign.

  2. #2 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 5:26 am

    How does it feel for all of us to have a sitting president who is a lying sack of shit?

  3. #3 by Shane on October 18, 2012 - 7:23 am

    Richard, in the last debate he claimed he would create and millions of jobs (12 million?) and minutes later that governments don’t create jobs. Even for mr etch-e-sketch that must be a record.

    …and as per usual the pathetic little boot licking rightwingers stick their fingers in their ears, scream about not listening, and then accuse the other side of doing the same thing. Weapons grade projection, distilled down to the finest pure BS.

    I tell ya, if that ever becomes something monitored by UN inspectors, we will have to declare war on 1/3 of the population of the country.

  4. #4 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 7:41 am

    and as per usual the pathetic little boot licking leftwingers stick their fingers in their ears, scream about not listening, and then accuse the other side of doing the same thing.

  5. #5 by cav on October 18, 2012 - 8:33 am

    Is anybody else discerning a rather noxious aroma?

  6. #6 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 8:48 am

    So cav, you agree with what McKinney said?

  7. #7 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 9:05 am

    Leaked Audio Captures Romney Asking Employers To Tell Their Employees How To Vote.

    Whenever I say capitalism is antithetical to democracy, somebody tries to make the opposite case. Good luck with that.

    In a June 6, 2012 conference call posted on the anti-union National Federation of Independent Business’s website, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney instructed employers to tell their employees how to vote in the upcoming election.

    I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.

    The call raises the question of whether the Romney campaign is complicit in the corporate attempts to influence employees’ votes that have been recently making headlines.

  8. #8 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 9:13 am

    And?

    “Whenever I say capitalism is antithetical to democracy”

    Capitalism is the ONLY system compatible with democracy. What you want is authoritarianism.

  9. #9 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 9:47 am

    I want democracy, which is not what corporatists want. This country is headed toward plutocracy, if we’re not already there.

  10. #10 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 10:13 am

    Corporatism and capitalism are not synonymous.

    cor·po·rat·ism/?kôrp(?)r??tiz?m/
    Noun:
    The control of a state or organization by large interest groups.

    cap·i·tal·ism/?kap?tl?iz?m/
    Noun:
    An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

    So if you don’t capitalism. That means you don’t want private ownership of business. So you want government ownership of business. That is the ultimate corporatism and the least democratic form of government there is. What you say you want is exactly what you don’t want. You are exactly 180 degrees wrong.

  11. #11 by cav on October 18, 2012 - 11:20 am

    A mix, a ‘melting-pot’ so to speak, and I’ll fight fo the death for the right – which is way more than can be said for altogether too many of the pols and CEOs.

  12. #12 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 11:31 am

    I never have said there is no room for capitalism in America. I simply said it’s antithetical to democracy, which is why we have consumer protections, laws against fraud, etc.

    Corporate CEOs threatening their workers is an example of how the power relationships in capitalism are anti-democratic. It’s the right that always takes everything to extremes.

  13. #13 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 11:32 am

    You keep confusing corporatism for capitalism. Get it straight.

  14. #14 by cav on October 18, 2012 - 11:35 am

    OK, we’re talking some mythoogical, pure strain of capitalism now, Got it.

  15. #15 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 11:35 am

    Show me a capitalist country that’s free from corporatism. Oh wait, there aren’t any examples of that.

  16. #16 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 11:52 am

    Compared to what? Relative to what? If the choice is between free market capitalist corporatism and totalitarian authoritarian dictatorship thugs, sign me up for the former.

    Show me this nirvana you are talking about? Oh wait, there aren’t any examples of that.

  17. #17 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 12:03 pm

    Going in circles again. Getting dizzy.

    The mixed economy of post WWII America is what made the middle class possible. That was a good thing. The current trend toward plutocracy and extreme inequality is destroying the middle class.

  18. #18 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 12:07 pm

    So your assertion is the post WWII America was “free from corporatism”?

    You make me laugh.

  19. #19 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 12:09 pm

    If you are getting dizzy going in circles it is your own words and your own logic, since there is none.

  20. #20 by Gauleiter Burgen on October 18, 2012 - 12:13 pm

    Germany Richard, Germany if you think the Audi A8 is made by soshulists you are mistaken.

    Over a certain size German corporations are required by law to split ownership 3 ways. !/3 is owned by the State, 1/3 ownership by the workers, and 1/3 by private equity. No one group can take over, and the split cannot be changed.

    Arbitrage hates it, and geithner and obama about shit themselves when the Merkel government made derivatives trading all but illegal couple years back.

    Remember the virtues of German soshulism in the future when you are driving in the GENERAL MESS OF CRAP, Government Motors, GMC. You could have had an Audi. hahahah. As it is the GM cars worth anything are all drivatives of GM of Germany, established when they bought the 2nd oldest auto manufacturer on Earth….Opel.

    As well in light of the trillion dollar welfare bill in this country, everybody who can works in the soshulist Germany if possible, even the mentally challenged are found a job. Think of the possibilities for you Larry.

  21. #21 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 12:13 pm

    I did not say the thing that you made up, your words not mine brewski. ;-)

  22. #22 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 2:46 pm

    So now you are denying your own words. No wonder you are dizzy.

  23. #23 by cav on October 18, 2012 - 2:54 pm

    I’ve just come to the realization that with soo much written, there’s that much more space between the lines – filled with spin, innuendo, and opportunity to create ones own realities.

  24. #24 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 3:51 pm

    Romney told 31 lies In 41 minutes.

    During the first presidential debate in Denver, Colorado Romney managed to tell 27 myths in his 38 minutes of speaking time. But at his second encounter with Obama in New York, the GOP presidential candidate — who has run a post-truth campaign from day one — outdid himself and crammed 31 myths in 41 minutes.

    They say it can’t be done, but maybe Romney can get it up to a lie a minute next time. ;-)

  25. #25 by brewski on October 18, 2012 - 3:53 pm

    OK Rachel.

  26. #26 by cav on October 18, 2012 - 4:05 pm

    And I believe he felt pressed for time.

  27. #27 by cav on October 18, 2012 - 5:19 pm

    Re Mitt’s conference call promoting Bosses bossing vote fixing (see #7 – thank you Richard), I wonder why Hilda Stolis won’t spend 15 minutes of her 4 years earning her exceptional pay, and tell America’s employers NOT to threaten / intimidate their workers / voters?

    Hello?

    Secretary of Labor to the goddamn white courtesy phone.

  28. #28 by Richard Warnick on October 18, 2012 - 10:28 pm

    As Willard helpfully pointed out on the conference call, it is now legal for employers to bully workers on how to vote because of the Citizens United ruling.

  29. #29 by brewski on October 19, 2012 - 6:23 am

    Richard, so what you are saying then is that unions shouldn’t tell their members who they should vote for.

  30. #30 by Richard Warnick on October 19, 2012 - 7:39 am

    Before the Supreme Court threw away the rulebook, both corporations and unions could form political action committees to engage in partisan politics. But a PAC can’t threaten to take away your job, the way these CEOs are doing now.

  31. #31 by brewski on October 19, 2012 - 7:48 am

    did they throw away the rule book, or read the original rule book?

  32. #32 by Shane on October 19, 2012 - 7:49 am

    I guess that answers one question. I was wondering what the difference was between holding someone down and shaving his head and threatining to fire people based on their political opinion. The common ingredient is clearly being a bully, the differentiator seems to be time, money and political influence.

    Since we have all been told time is money, and now with citizens united money is both political influence and free speech, and this particular bit of free speech is used as influence, is that political influence to the fifth power? I never was good at math…

  33. #33 by Gauleiter Burgen on October 19, 2012 - 10:30 am

    Time is only money if you have a watch. Plus you need to believe it.

  34. #34 by cav on October 19, 2012 - 11:09 am

    Even a stopped watch is correct twice a day.

  35. #35 by Gauleiter Burgen on October 19, 2012 - 12:26 pm

    Is that how Larry gets by?

  36. #36 by cav on October 19, 2012 - 1:42 pm

    THAT was a set-up. You conniver.

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