Top Romney Advisor Calls Obama ‘Lazy.’ Racists Defend Statement as NOT Racist!

You’d have to be an asshole to defend Mitt Romney’s John Sununu’s statement calling our first Black President ‘lazy,’ as anything more than pure racism in its ugliest form.

Mitt Romney ratcheted his racist campaign up to a new level on October 4th, in an interview with veteran journalist Andrea Mitchell.   Romney’s top advisor, former racist governor of New Hampshire, John Sununu was Romney’s top pick to all but call Barack Obama ‘Nigger.’

 

You are a racist IF these ideas are lurking your head right now:

Hey! He didn’t actually use the word “Nigger.”  Besides, even some White people are lazy. All I have to do is defend the “lazy” word. Hmmm. EASY!

‘Wait no! Bush was lazy. All I have to do is find where someone called Bush “lazy” and I’m golden. Even better; if I can find where a Black man called Bush lazy, I can call REVERSE RACISM! …Shit, too much work.

I know, Sununu proved Obama is lazy because he didn’t want to pick up the pizza. Anyone could feel like not getting the pizza, even ME! I AM LAZY TOO AND I AM WHITE!  Hell, I know a Black guy and never gets ME pizza.’

If these or any similar thoughts are running through your head, your are a racist. And yes, even if you thought about dating a Black chick (or guy) once, you are still a racist.

It might help to consider other clues. This racist (John Sununu) wasn’t your average Joe Blow racist shootin’ the shit in some parking lot in Nashua. Mr. Sununu is no dumb ass racist. He is a smart bitchy racist…just like Romney.

Romney and Sununu planned HOW to call Obama ‘lazy’ and on which day and on which national TV station. They knew they would be accused of being racist. That is why they did it. They knew you would get that tingling feeling on the back of your neck when you got inspired enough to defend them. And they know how important the tingles are in your decision making process.

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  1. #1 by Ken on October 6, 2012 - 11:33 am

    How could you consider calling someone lazy being racist unless you yourself associate black people with laziness?

  2. #2 by cav on October 6, 2012 - 11:39 am

    Can somebody/anybody get the Dems on record BEFORE the election that they won’t cut benefits/raise age eligibility? It seems near impossible to get them to commit to Medicare/SS BEFORE we give them another 4 years.

    The pukes got nuthin on them.

  3. #3 by brewski on October 6, 2012 - 9:34 pm

    Test to see if you are a racist:

    If any of these apply to you, then you are a racist:

    1. You immediately associate laziness with being black (see Cliff)

    2. When someone else says the word lazy, your Pavolvianly think “black” (see Cliff)

    3. You wake up in the morning and realize that your name is Cliff (see Cliff)

    4. You poison children (see Cliff)

    5. You excuse poisoning children (see Cliff)

  4. #4 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 3:08 am

    Could we just direct the debate to the fact that John Sununu is white trash?

    I’m not saying I’M not white trash, but do we have to get our news from Alan Greenspan’s wife? Maybe Woody Allen’s wife could suffice if given a chance on MSNBC.

    All I’m saying is that Woody took a lot of heat and Greenspan took nothing in the way of heat.

  5. #5 by brewski on October 7, 2012 - 6:38 am

    Andrea Mitchell is a joke. MSNBC is a joke. Anyone who watches MSNBC is a joke. Obama is a joke. Cliff is a sad joke.

  6. #6 by brewski on October 7, 2012 - 7:23 am

    “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

    The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    The problem is that Obama is being judged on the content of his character, and Cliff doesn’t like the answer.

  7. #7 by cav on October 7, 2012 - 8:20 am

    I’ll be spending less time here as my stable of maturing unicorns demand more and more of my attention. Thanks for all the good times.

  8. #8 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 9:34 am

    cav:

    You’re not going to get a fond farewell from me.

    We need you! (serious emoticon).

  9. #9 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 9:44 am

    Obama didn’t even come CLOSE to losing any debate! Why does Andrea Mitchell allude to that?

    Why are most of the left wing blogs alluding to that?

    I thought I was confused when Bush Jr. was president, but now I’m mincemeat.

  10. #10 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 10:28 am

    Screw the unicorns!

  11. #11 by brewski on October 7, 2012 - 10:30 am

    Because he did lose.

  12. #12 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 10:54 am

    Beat you by two minutes, brew-who.

    Obama is a God.

    Bow down! (serious emoticon).

    P.S. PLUS, He’s half white!

  13. #13 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 10:57 am

    I hate nicknames.

    Henceforth, I will only call brewski by his real name.

  14. #14 by brewski on October 7, 2012 - 2:11 pm

    Races don’t exist.

  15. #15 by cav on October 7, 2012 - 3:20 pm

    You win again.

  16. #16 by Larry Bergan on October 7, 2012 - 4:40 pm

    brewski WINS!

    USA, USA, USA!

  17. #17 by brewski on October 7, 2012 - 5:17 pm

    It’s easy to win when one always has the facts on one’s side.

  18. #18 by Richard Warnick on October 7, 2012 - 7:00 pm

    Sununu is all bent out of shape because Romney is losing in New Hampshire (one of his “home” states, along with CA, MA and UT).

    Found on the Web:

    A Quiz for Republicans

    1. Corporate profits are at record high. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    2. The stock market is at a record high. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    3. Unemployment is going down. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    4. Exports are at record high. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    5. The US is a net oil exporter. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    6. The deficit was $1.4 trillion when Obama took office, due to Bush’s cost structure versus plummeting revenue. It is now $300 billion lower. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    7. When Obama took office the country was losing 750,000 jobs per month. now we’re gaining over 100,000 jobs per month. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    8. The manufacturing sector is projected to create about 5 million jobs over the next decade. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    9. The auto industry is saved. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    10. Banks are now fiscally sound and we haven’t had a major Wall Street scandal like the junk bonds under Reagan or the sub prime meltdown under Bush. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    11. Unlike Reagan and the two Bushes who each had a recession in each of their terms as president, we have not had a new recession under Obama. this is

    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

  19. #19 by brewski on October 7, 2012 - 8:11 pm

    A Quiz for Republicans

    1. Corporate profits are at record high. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct Answer E) Corporate profits having nothing to do with who is president.

    2. The stock market is at a record high. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct Answer E) Stock market valuations are based on corporate profits (which have nothing to do with who is president), and interest rates (which have nothing to do with who is president)

    3. Unemployment is going down. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) is due solely to people dropping out of the workforce all together and people who are “forced part time workers” and other underemployed workers.

    4. Exports are at record high. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) due to a devalued dollar created by the Fed, which has nothing to do who is president

    5. The US is a net oil exporter. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) Is factually untrue. The US is a net importer of oil and an exporter of refined product.

    6. The deficit was $1.4 trillion when Obama took office, due to Bush’s cost structure versus plummeting revenue. It is now $300 billion lower. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) The $1.4T figure is FY 2009 which includes the $0.8T for ARRA which was passed by Obama and not Bush. Nice try attributing Obama spending to Bush.

    7. When Obama took office the country was losing 750,000 jobs per month. now we’re gaining over 100,000 jobs per month. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) the slowest recovery in 80 years and is 400,000 jobs per month fewer than under Reagan.

    8. The manufacturing sector is projected to create about 5 million jobs over the next decade. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) Projected? Are you kidding? You don’t get to pat yourself on the back for something that hasn’t happened yet. Projections and a nickel won’t get you a cup of coffee.

    9. The auto industry is saved. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) It still could have been saved without throwing out 1,000 years of common law and without paying off your political contributors. So saving it or not saving it is not the question. The question is if you save it then how do you do it and how do you not do it. (See organized restructuring in bankruptcy)

    10. Banks are now fiscally sound and we haven’t had a major Wall Street scandal like the junk bonds under Reagan or the sub prime meltdown under Bush. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) No scandal? Are you kidding? You don’t call the same people who committed crimes and caused this crisis and are still in their same jobs collecting $100M paychecks not a scandal? That is a scandal of the worst kind.

    11. Unlike Reagan and the two Bushes who each had a recession in each of their terms as president, we have not had a new recession under Obama. this is
    a) another failed Obama policy.
    b) an example of how Obama is hostile to business.
    c) all of the above.
    d) something good you should be happy about.

    Correct answer E) A comical reading of history. Reagan inherited a disaster from Carter in 1981. W inherited the stock market crash of 2000 and recession of 2001. And Obama’s current 1.3% GDP growth and 14.7% real unemployment rates is a recession.

  20. #20 by Richard Warnick on October 8, 2012 - 9:32 am

    Wrong. According to the DOE, shipments abroad of petroleum products exceeded imports by 439,000 barrels a day in 2011.

    U.S. Was Net Oil-Product Exporter for First Time Since 1949

    It’s all oil, whether crude oil or refined oil products.

  21. #21 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 9:37 am

    Thank you for demonstrating to me conclusively that you can’t read.

    Read it again, slowly, word for word. Then read it again three times slowly.

    Then get back to me and apologize.

  22. #22 by cav on October 8, 2012 - 10:08 am

    What’s with the big, long vertical double posted quiz for republicanz? That’s scrollin’ material if I ever saw it.

    Shirley you can be a little more concise in making your point – which I take must be something about mistaking real education with teaching to the test. Still a FAIL.

  23. #23 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 11:59 am

    The second post has the answers. The first just the questions with uneducated possible answers.

  24. #24 by cav on October 8, 2012 - 1:46 pm

    Trey Parker (of South Park and the Book of Mormon) and Alan Watts. Three little vids, that should enlighten.

    http://coldhardflash.com/2007/07/flash-animated-philosophy-from-south.html

  25. #25 by Richard Warnick on October 8, 2012 - 3:13 pm

    brewski–

    When you wrote “factually untrue,” was that a non-denial denial? ;-)

    Drill, Baby, Drill Fails: Obama Presides Over Record Growth in Oil Rigs, Still Gets Blamed by GOP for High Oil Prices

  26. #26 by Cliff on October 8, 2012 - 3:54 pm

    I *love* how the Republicans keep saying that jobless rate has been above 8% since the president took office, as if that proves his policies have done nothing. (Of course, now they can’t say that and are peeing themselves). But they forge
    t to add that it had reached 10.2% by October of 2009. So, at 8%, it was still better than it had been since February of his first year in office.

    “It continued to rise rapidly, reaching 10.2 percent in October 2009. (Unemployment is a lagging indicator: the recession officially ended in June 2009.) It stayed above 10 percent for three months, and then stayed above 9 percent for the next 21 months (with the exception of March 2011, when it briefly dipped to 8.9 percent). Only in October 2011, did it fall below 9 percent and stay there.” http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/10/07/the-jobs-report-iii/

  27. #27 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 3:56 pm

    Richard,
    Are acknowledging your post is factually untrue?

  28. #28 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 4:13 pm

    I love how Cliff defeats paper tigers of his own making. The U6 unemployment rate is unchanged at 14.7. The decline in the narrower U3 definition was due solely to the increase in involuntary part time workers. Congratufuckinglations.

    Per Cliff, the recession ended in Jun 2009. So let’s look at the time during the recovery:
    “American incomes declined more in the three-year expansion that started in June 2009 than during the longest recession since the Great Depression”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-23/u-s-incomes-feel-more-in-recovery-sentier-says.html

    So, the African Prince gave us 14.7% unemployment, declining incomes in a recovery, and the full exposure to how unintelligent he really easy when he doesn’t have a teleprompter or isn’t fielding softball “questions” from his adoring media-fans.

    The only one peeing on himself now is Cliff. And that is before Ryan smacks down racist-Joe Biden.

  29. #29 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 4:25 pm

  30. #30 by cav on October 8, 2012 - 4:50 pm

    Over at Naked Capitalism Yves used the phrase, “MBA Derangement Syndrome.” According to the article it describes people who, because of their superiority and schooling, can solve ANY problem even if they are ignorant of many of the problem’s facets.

  31. #31 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 5:51 pm

    I thought they called that “Harvard Law School Syndrome”.

  32. #32 by cav on October 8, 2012 - 6:05 pm

    I’m guessing you’re not a Harvard man.

  33. #33 by Jonesy on October 8, 2012 - 6:32 pm

    Half White?!! What a Lazy Cracker obama is now!

  34. #34 by Jonesy on October 8, 2012 - 6:41 pm

    haha, nothing can help obama but mitt’s screw ups. It truly is an amazing match up, obama couldn’t help himself out of anything, and can only look to mitt to get him elected.

    Real unemployment is running around 20%, but don’t plan to see that from any numbers kitchen, the fact that the discrepancy is some 2% shows it accounts for some serious cooking in the face of the raw reality..

  35. #35 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 6:54 pm

    Bill O’Reilly is a Harvard man. Not me.

  36. #36 by Larry Bergan on October 8, 2012 - 7:54 pm

    This election resembles the Carter/Reagan election a little too much.

    Republicans don’t have any new ideas, so they harken back to a successful strategy from the past, put out polls that show it still works, somehow manage to persuade enough Americans to fight and vote against themselves, that it seems possible.

    Is it really possible that the country is divided so perfectly in half – no matter what happens -, that an election can be stolen so easily?

    Carter/Obama is weak on defense, and causes oil prices to soar. Of course all Americans care about is the price of oil at the goddamned pump, right?!

    Wait for it! As soon as Romney steals the election, you’ll see the middle east seem to cower on the media. I am old enough to have seen this B grade movie before.

  37. #37 by Larry Bergan on October 8, 2012 - 8:01 pm

    And let’s not forget it was Nixon who forced us to drive 55 miles per hour to save energy which inspired the stupid song.

    Liberal BASTARD!

  38. #38 by Nathan Erkkila on October 8, 2012 - 8:16 pm

    brewski :

    Because he did lose.

    By changing his entire platform.

  39. #39 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 8:55 pm

    Obama changed his entire platform?

  40. #40 by Nathan Erkkila on October 8, 2012 - 9:33 pm

    My mistake. Anyway, it’s easy for someone to make an argument out of anything if you make your own position. On the internet, it’s called trolling. On the debate’s it’s called Romney. But to the point, Romney has molded his beliefs in an attempt to gain approval to the majority. And it isn’t hard. I could go around and tell you how you have no rights and I could win that argument.

  41. #41 by brewski on October 8, 2012 - 10:58 pm

    So your complaint is that a candidate molds his platform to suit the majority? I’d rather have that than the candidate who panders to every special interest fringe group. Obama told a group of African Americans that the Federal government doesn’t like them for who they are. That speech should disqualify Obama from holding any office anywhere.

  42. #42 by Larry Bergan on October 8, 2012 - 11:55 pm

    Let me reiterate:

    I’M AN AMERICAN! I’M SPECIAL! I’M EXCEPTIONAL!

  43. #43 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 12:26 am

    In Sammy Hadar’s defense, America is a vast territory and I drove faster then 55 myself after Nixon changed the speed limit.

    Who among us wouldn’t. :)

  44. #44 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 12:39 am

    Larry is really a republican at heart and likes Liberty.

  45. #45 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 1:10 am

    I could be an Eisenhower republican, but It’s problematic due to the god thing.

  46. #46 by Nathan Erkkila on October 9, 2012 - 1:21 am

    brewski :

    So your complaint is that a candidate molds his platform to suit the majority? I’d rather have that than the candidate who panders to every special interest fringe group. Obama told a group of African Americans that the Federal government doesn’t like them for who they are. That speech should disqualify Obama from holding any office anywhere.

    It effectively means that not only do you have no idea what his policies are going to be, but that it is very likely that his real agenda is not publicized for a reason. But whatever. If you want to get Romney elected, then I have no qualms about you paying for it.

  47. #47 by cav on October 9, 2012 - 8:01 am

    Nathan, brewski is a little more ‘meta’ than you are giving him credit for.

    His observations, while leaning differently than ‘left’, wouldn’t overlook certain difficult-to-swallow connections that your everyday voter may not grasp – for example: Why do the criminal banksters always get such meaningful spots in EVERY administration econ boards (see Tim Geitner)? Another: Interestingly Al Gore voted for approving justice Scalia. Etc. ‘Funny’ stuff, if you’re a purist – but there’s your reality. The wings are stuffed to the brim with ‘wingyness’.

    I may be putting words / attitudes into his mouth, but brewski’s involvement with detail and minutea have never led him to claim clairvoyance. Me thinks he’s no less tired of the BS coming from D.C. than most of the rest of us.

    As for me. I have my own sense of ‘transparency’ and struggle with the obscuring / muddying variety. And don’t appreciate what Obama’s doing to the mythological ‘Democratic’ brand.

    Still, one or the other of these ‘volunteers’ for America are going to be able to call the White House ‘home’, and THAT is where the suckage is bundled.

  48. #48 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 8:40 am

    “It effectively means that not only do you have no idea what his policies are going to be, but that it is very likely that his real agenda is not publicized for a reason.” This can equally be said about Obama. His statements seem to vary depending on to whom he is speaking and when. In fact, one could say this is true of all politicians, so your statement about Romney is unremarkable.

  49. #49 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 9:05 am

    Yesterday, Willard gave us his (extremely vague) ideas on foreign policy. But even his foreign policy advisers are baffled, and say they don’t know if Romney has read their position papers.

    The Obama administration is wide open to criticism on national security and foreign policy, but Romney can’t offer a meaningful critique because he basically agrees with Obama on everything. We need a candidate who can point out that (1) sanctions on Iran only make the ayatollahs stronger, and (2) are causing a humanitarian crisis which will result in the deaths of innocent people.

    Romney as Commander-in-Chief? I don’t think so.

  50. #50 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 9:32 am

    What are you here for? To post professionally produced campaign ads? If I wanted to watch that I could just watch tv. I guess it shows that you have nothing to say.

  51. #51 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 9:33 am

    brewski–

    What do YOU have to say about Iran sanctions? Romney’s only difference with Obama is he wants more innocent people to suffer. And maybe we ought to ask questions about his relationship with Netanyahu.

  52. #52 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 9:48 am

    It is time to elect Romney and see if he is going to be another mass murderer war criminal like obama. No self respecting American can vote for obama after what he has done and supported.

    With any luck if Romney continues this monstrous out of control foreign policy perhaps one day we can see a mass hanging involving the entire leadership left and right based on their ACTIONS, like any other criminals. All are Oath sworn, all press and decide to defy the scope of the Constitution and make laws of attainder which in fact makes them traitors to their Oath, and the nation.

    There will be blood, just ask any of the poor fucks we have been bombing the last 30 years.

  53. #53 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 10:09 am

    I figure the reality is that because we have a lazy, uninspired president drones are the easiest way a lazy fuck can see clear to solve a problem that we created

    It won’t work, and will likely get egg on his face, the timing of showing what obama really is could not be any sweeter,

    Here is the policy started by bush, which obama simply picked up and ran with, bush ordered 90 odd drone strikes, obama 350 and counting. A drone strike is akin to a gangland drive by shooting, and having a US president signing the orders to kill targets with no concern as to who else my die is reprehensible and not worthy of American public support. It is and shall be shown to be when all this settles out to be a heinous war crime.

    Always remember that the drone is a NAZI terror weapon, with no ethical and moral considerations questioned before its use, which is why we the Allies in WW2 wouldn’t use them. It is a cowards terror weapon.

    How far we have FALLEN!

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/08/meeting-the-victims-of-a-u-s-drone-strike/

  54. #54 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 10:17 am

    Tell me you are joking that you think it is a bad thing for a president to know other world leaders.

    I guess you do have nothing to say, after you admit you were wrong about the US being a net exporter of oil.

  55. #55 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 10:34 am

    ..and here is the good news! It’s going to be a wonderful world!

    America! Where are you?

    The latest drones can refuel themselves, you have to pay 4.50 a gallon.

    http://zen-haven.dk/drones-may-soon-refuel-themselves/

  56. #56 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 10:38 am

    Well brew, we are selling gasoline and finished/refined petroleum products right now, all over the world.

  57. #57 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 10:49 am

    Yes, that is not what he said.

  58. #58 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 11:11 am

    The U.S. is a net oil exporter. In 2011, we exported more gasoline, diesel and other fuels than we imported for the first time since 1949.

  59. #59 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 11:17 am

    brewski–

    What about starving Iranians? A good thing, neither good nor bad, or a bad thing?

    Romney’s friendship with Netanyahu vs. Obama “palling around” with Bill Ayers – who is the bigger terrorist? [Hint: Bill Ayers never killed anyone]

  60. #60 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 11:37 am

    Apparently you don’t speak English. Hard to talk to someone who doesn’t know what words mean.

  61. #61 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 11:39 am

    William Ayers’ group, the Weathermen, murdered 7 people, not counting the three Weathermen who blew themselves up while making bombs in Greenwich Village.

    Seventeen children were left without fathers. They attempted to murder 5 more innocents when they fire bombed the home of a judge in the middle of the night, when his innocent children were asleep in the home.

    In 2001 Ayres told the New York Times he is sorry they did not do more! They claimed responsibility for more than 30 bombings!

    Ayres dedicated one of his books to Sirhan Sirhan. Sirhan who blew the brains out of JFK’s brother Robert Kennedy while he was running for President.

    Nice job Richard.

  62. #62 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 11:58 am

    Bill Ayers never killed anyone. There is no evidence that he made decisions that resulted in anyone being killed. He was never convicted of any crime.

    Benjamin Netanyahu is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. Israeli artillery used white phosphorus against civilian targets in Gaza, Israel dropped bombs on Lebanese civilians, and killed a U.S. citizen after boarding an unarmed ship in international waters.

    A fact-finding mission appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council produced the Goldstone Report, which found evidence of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza.

    Starving Iranians? Yeah or nay?

  63. #63 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 12:04 pm

    This is who we are rolling with..

    Now the ACLU says “more people were subjected to [warrantless] pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade.” Email surveillance, the civil-liberties group says, is “increasing exponentially.”

    A few years ago these revelations would have been milked for days of banner headlines. Now they are being met with the equivalent of crickets chirping. The New York Times – which won a Pulitzer for breaking the warrantless-wiretapping story during the Bush years – has not seen fit to mention the ACLU’s findings. The election season has nothing to do with that, of course.

    It is flat amazing to hear the silence of those who hated bush and his policies, and see them now shilling for the very same actions and policies under the rubric of this “phony progressive” Chicago hoodlum..

    Now romney who has driven with a dog on the top of his car in a kennel as his worst vice, is worse than an obama presidency which has actually ordered murder. Nice job Richard..

  64. #64 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 12:27 pm

    Hey, right now, only romney is one who hasn’t either killed or ordered someone killed, which is in fact under US law more or less the same thing. As for the rest of our disappearing civil rights, this is the latest, and yet progressives are silent and wish to re-elect this cretin.

    I am trying to figure out what goes on in the progressive (obama) mind. Are they so desperate that they would support an unjustified killer rather than take a chance with someone who is not yet a killer, and so is patently superior to the killer inhabiting our White House? bush didn’t build this alone…

    I would suggest to progressives, don’t taint yourself forever by supporting a man who never once truly supported you and yours.

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/03/warrantless-spying-skyrockets-under-obam/singlepage

  65. #65 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 12:36 pm

    “He was never convicted of any crime.”

    Tell me you are joking. Neither has Obama, Bush, Cheney, LBJ, Kissinger, and anyone on Wall Street. Does that make them all innocent under your logic?

  66. #66 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 12:42 pm

    “I am trying to figure out what goes on in the progressive (obama) mind”

    Not very much.

  67. #67 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 12:45 pm

    Richard,
    Let me dumb is way way down for you:

    If the US is a net importer of wheat and a net exporter of bread, that does not make the US a net exporter of wheat.

    Get it?

  68. #68 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 12:59 pm

    brewski–

    Ayers – Never charged with murder, and other charges dropped.

    Netanyahu – Formal finding and presentation of evidence of war crimes and crimes against humanity. As you point out, this rarely happens for heads of state. Never happened to George W. Bush, though it could have.

  69. #69 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 1:13 pm

    brewski —

    Oil, noun

    Any of a large class of substances typically unctuous, viscous, combustible, liquid at ordinary temperatures, and soluble in ether or alcohol but not in water: used for anointing, perfuming, lubricating, illuminating, heating, etc.

    The U.S. is a net oil exporter.

  70. #70 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 1:32 pm

    Wrong.

    Read it again. Get back to me when you get it. Until then, you can’t read.

  71. #71 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 1:33 pm

    Your defense of a murderer makes me sick.

  72. #72 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 1:44 pm

    brewski–

    Check your facts. Ayers is not a “murderer.” He was never charged with murder, and never convicted of any crime.

    What is your opinion of Israeli war crimes and the killing of an innocent American at sea? What about the policy of starving Iranians through sanctions?

    If you can’t say, can we assume you approve?

  73. #73 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 1:58 pm

    You progressives are going to lose, what the hell, you have been losing all day the last 4 years.

    Who cares if ayers is a murderer?, the important thing is that the decisions that obama has willingly made has led to him being a murderer of innocents and at the very, very least a manslaughterer, though his PREMEDITATION precludes this possibility entirely.

    Vote romney, vote no for murder, let romney make himself a murderer by following obama policy, then maybe we can all deal with him, as it is apparent that due to cloudy thinking, the average progressive cannot detach from obama’s promise despite the glaring bloody results of his policy acted out. Murder.

    Murder. Let romney become a murderer, a murderer unchallenged only gets worse and emboldened, I thought nannypants progressives might have figured this out during the bush presidency, but apparently not, or are simply so politically disingenuous as to be smelling the reek of their own farts and absolving obama of stinking up the place.

  74. #74 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 2:11 pm

    “He was never charged with murder, and never convicted of any crime.”

    We’ve been over this before. See #65.

  75. #75 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 2:26 pm

    Richard Warnick, supporter of killing innocents:

    “Since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 8,000 rockets into Israel. Over one million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks.

    In 2011 alone, 627 rockets from Gaza hit Israeli towns. That’s an even higher number than in 2010, when 231 rockets hit Israel. Since 2001, more than 12,800 rockets and mortars, an average of 3 attacks every single day, have landed in Israel.”

  76. #76 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 3:14 pm

    Hhaa, I have more powerful bottle rockets I can buy at a fireworks shack before the 4th in the midwest.

  77. #77 by cav on October 9, 2012 - 3:20 pm

    With the MIC and corporate profits being such lynch-pins in our society, isn’t it a safe bet that even the saintly Romney will produce a few deaths from his newly acquired post in the White House.

    That being the case, there’s more than de-legitimizing Obama that needs to be done here. We need to de-legitimize large chunks of the structure as it stands, and make sure somehow, it is de-legitimized for the duration.

  78. #78 by cav on October 9, 2012 - 3:21 pm

    duplicate posting

  79. #79 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 3:26 pm

    Read the Goldstone Report. It identifies war crimes on both sides. Is brewski prepared to condemn war crimes, blockades, and sanctions directed against civilians, no matter who does it?

    One more time: starving Iranians. Any opinion on that?

  80. #80 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 3:45 pm

    It starts with the person cav, if you are willing to re-elect a proven war criminal murderer, I don’t know what to say. If romney walks that path, it will AGAIN be up to the public to hold him to account.

    I’m so sure every addled progressive will once romney is elected conveniently forget their long standing support for a man such a coward (obama), he never even created a policy of his own, just carried on his murder on the pile of the murderer before him, bush.

    I mean really. America has somehow become transfixed by the perps of a 12 year murderfest!! WTF?!!

  81. #81 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 3:55 pm

    “Is brewski prepared to condemn war crimes, blockades, and sanctions directed against civilians, no matter who does it?”

    Sure, let’s start with Obama.

  82. #82 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 4:00 pm

    OK, what about the starving Iranians?

    1) Crime against humanity.
    2) Strengthens the Ayatollahs and clobbers the regular people while accomplishing nothing.
    3) All of the above.
    4) Good idea, they deserve it.

  83. #83 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 4:08 pm

    It is more than obvious despite the protestations of progressives that when it comes to obama he is the same animal as bush, just as he would be with CFR shill Zbignew Brezezinski being his foreign policy mentor.

    In short there is no difference of planned change in US foreign policy goals as they have stood for well over the last 20 years. obama is just the latest in a series of violent lunatic presidents who somehow believe their actions don’t meet the standard for terror, torture, and war crime.

    It’s going to be a very violent fall America, and it will all be self inflicted which is generally the case when an adult has made awful choices which are irreconcilable, with reality leading to their increased and continued insanity with regard to the outcomes of their putrid decisions.

    Let us as a People take control again. The only choice is romney. What do you have over a murderer (obama) without shame operating with hubris and impunity? Nothing! He’s a bad man, period, has no interest in reform, leaving the public with only the unsullied candidates despite their appearance to take the reins.

    Mitt is not yet a murderer, Obama IS! None of this can be avoided or somehow chatted away.

  84. #84 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 4:12 pm

    I will answer the starving Iranian question as soon as you admit you don’t know the difference between oil and refined product, wheat and bread, corn and tortillas, and that the US is not a net exporter of oil.

  85. #85 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 4:20 pm

    This is your opportunity to call out President Obama on crimes against humanity. Of course, Romney thinks the Obama administration has been too nice to the Iranians!

    The definition of oil is what it is. I don’t write the dictionary.

  86. #86 by cav on October 9, 2012 - 4:33 pm

    “It starts with the person cav, if you are willing to re-elect a proven war criminal murderer…”

    As so often happens, I’m not sure I want to make Mitt just another in a string of murderers. That’s my point. That, and nowhere in the picture you seem to be painting is ‘the electorate’ near what I know my neighbors to be. few of whom have much interest in Wars as the sole source of American exceptionalism. But we must keep voting for one or the other – both of whom inevitably become socks of the Shadow state.

    Where do all of the other issues fit?

  87. #87 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 4:40 pm

    Do you know the difference between oil and refined product? Please consult your dictionary.

  88. #88 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 4:41 pm

    So let’s see, the sanctions are an international war crime, well, as of course they lead to death, once again death of mostly innocent people, often CHILDREN!

    I am stunned at the bearing of most American people, as if this story were some kind of cyber challenge without any real consequences in the here and now. What is going on in the US now, is no less or different than the destruction of German culture under the NAZIS!

    We now as a matter of official policy target the weak and defenseless to compel a greater enemy to comply to our will.

    Fuckin’ heroic huh?

    It is like taking a 10 yr old girl hostage before you rob a bank, she is big enough to take any bullets meant for you. The methods of the West in compelling others to do not do, what it does is enough to make even the calmest stomach projectile vomit.

    This is who we are, it is why the world recoils in horror when the magnifying glass is moved into their direction.

    Never mind that the current crop of mullahs in Iran are the product of installing a sick demented psychopath to Lord over the Iranian people in the Shah of Iran, a process we enabled by conducting murder, subverting democratic elections and by simply abandoning our better virtues as nation.

    Never mind that despite being willing to incarcerate without charges American citizens suspected of “terror”, our own government engages in the support, weaponizing, and paying for terrorists like MEK to destabilize nations that possess things we would like to steal and control.

    With regard to Iran, this crock of shit policy has been handed down through multiple presidents and congresses, all laden with the threat that a nuclear bomb is not allowed, a dictum coming from the only nation of psychopaths to actually nuke other people INCLUDING THEIR OWN! Well known to Utahns as the St George incident.

    I think what the ultimate problem is involves a severe disconnect in many Americans that we have done, and do regularly, is some pretty rotten, unethical, amoral shit. All day.

    History provides that as a certainty it is the People of a nation who pay for the folly of its leaders, and no one, even if you never supported the tyranny, will forgive you, or give you a pass. You pay, and pay. Just ask a German.

  89. #89 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 4:50 pm

    Oh, hey before I forget, do you know who gave the first reactor and equipment to the Iranians to play with?

    That would be the United States giving the psychopath the Shah those toys after we toppled Mossadegh in ’54.

    It’s a long term crop, but oh boy what a fruit is hanging from it now!

  90. #90 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 4:53 pm

    Oil:
    A naturally occurring, unrefined petroleum product composed of hydrocarbon deposits.

    Refined product:
    The various hydrocarbons obtained from crude oils that have been processed through various refining methods.

    Get it finally? Anything else you want me to spoon feed for you?

  91. #91 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 4:57 pm

    We gave Iran the tech to possibly destroy israel via nuclear means, even though this isn’t what they are persuing, even if they were who could blame them? The US doesn’t screw with countries that have the bomb. Nobody really does.

    On the flip side, France gave israel its start in the nuclear arena, helping build the first pile in Dimona, now they possess some 200 warheads and delivery systems. Think the great powers knew what they were doing after the war?

    You bet, and the israelis and iranians are just cogs in the geo-political grist mill.

  92. #92 by cav on October 9, 2012 - 5:34 pm

    How one responds to an opponent who lies through his teeth about what he’s said in the past.

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/09/australian_pm_launches_blistering_attack.html

  93. #93 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2012 - 5:39 pm

    brewski–

    The dictionary definition is what I gave you, twice, with links. Oil is defined as either: (1) petroleum or (2) a petroleum derivative. Could not possibly be more clear.

    On the starving Iranians and Israeli war crimes, I am still hearing nothing but crickets. Dead silence.

  94. #94 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 6:26 pm

    Safe to say we import oil and sell it back as finished products. Whatever we do we have the fat assed trade deficit that has been with us like a venereal wart for decades. It’s total loserland for any politician if you just gaze out at what America has become.

    cav there is so much lying going on through their teeth with this admin and romney it’s a wonder any of the words are intelligible.

    Oh wait, it mostly isn’t intelligible..

  95. #95 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 7:39 pm

    You keep saying “Oil” but your links don’t say “oil”. They either say “refined product” or “oil product”, both of which mean not oil but things that are processed from oil. There is a huge difference between a net exporter of oil and being a net exporter of refined product. Why are you so thick?

  96. #96 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 8:17 pm

    cav says at #92:

    How one responds to an opponent who lies through his teeth about what he’s said in the past.

    It’s been obvious that “both sides of the aisle” here in the “greatest country on the face of the earth” get along much too well. But you hear the pundits say the opposite. They say there is too much conflict in Washington.

    I’m not seeing it, but I wish I could. When you compare the actual debate in the parliament of Australia or England with whatever it is we have here, there is no comparison.

    All you have in America are two sides which grease each other up.

    Thanks for that great video.

  97. #97 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 8:45 pm

    At the same time for all the hoopla, the Aussie PM was defending the malfeasance of a person in her administration, her speaker, and he was the one acting in a embarrassing and harassing manner, not the man she decided to use to cover her shame.

    Not a particularly proud moment which is likely why she had to be a blowhard and then accuse the conservative leader of the very thing her own people actually did.

    Typical liberal, er asshole.

  98. #98 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 9:12 pm

    Cav,
    Awesome video of Ms Gillard. I think she is great. She puts to shame the debating ability of Obama and pretty much everyone else too. I’d love to see the UK and Australian style debates happen in the US. It would show that most of our leaders just aren’t that smart. Can you imagine Reid or Pelosi ever being this sharp on their feet?

  99. #99 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 9:46 pm

    Jonesy/noname turns out to be an expert on Australia.

    Who knew? :)

  100. #100 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 9:54 pm

    brewski/noname:

    Reid and Pelosi are not the apple of my eye, but they have said some strong things in opposition of tyranny before completely backing off.

    Being a boss is hard when the REAL powers have you by the balls – and not in a good way. :(

  101. #101 by Jonesy on October 9, 2012 - 10:33 pm

    She is defending her people’s bad behavior, give it a week and the truth will all be the same.

    Reid is mealy mouth and pelosi has directed federal monies to her husband’s business and is a crook, she’s a psycho as well, and a primary Fascist of average import.

    All you had to do was read the article to find out what she was defending Larry , concerning Australia, the resigned speaker of her party who had sent harassing messages to a former employee. You do read don’t you Larry?

  102. #102 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 10:58 pm

    Who said I was an expert on Australia? Where do you make this stuff up from? Smoke another doobie, man.

    Speaking of palling around with terrorists:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1FF6vMS6pFA/TeZ4HmwdCrI/AAAAAAAABCw/Rqgl6P57y2Q/s1600/pelosi-assad.jpg

    Gillard didn’t defend the bad behavior once. Listen to what she actually said. She is disgusted by it and she says so.

    So now we know that Larry doesn’t read and Richard can’t read. What a duo.

  103. #103 by cav on October 9, 2012 - 11:14 pm

    In my dreams, when Pelosi talks, it’s in the voice of timid Harry Reed and vice versa.

    But somebody growls in exciting rally aftermath, and he gets thrown of the stage.

  104. #104 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 11:14 pm

    Things are really getting strange around here. Nonames are accusing me of attacking the wrong nonme.

    However, I still retain my REAL name.

    Doesn’t that make the trolls feel a little sad. :(

  105. #105 by brewski on October 9, 2012 - 11:18 pm

    Makes me sad that people who don’t read or can’t read or don’t understand data or can’t understand data call people who can and do trolls.

  106. #106 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 11:27 pm

    Jonesy for pres and brewski for vice. :)

    Jesus!

  107. #107 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 11:31 pm

    Strange days have tracked us down.

  108. #108 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2012 - 11:49 pm

    brewski:

    Data sucks if it doesn’t reflect the will of the people.

    Watch this:

  109. #109 by Jonesy on October 10, 2012 - 12:25 am

    She’s defending her party by attacking the opposition leader, she doesn’t defend the behavior she defends the scumbag in her party by creating a diversion. Like I said, in a week the truth will still be the truth, she works with misogynistic scumbags within her own liberal party, and yelling at the opposition leader isn’t going to change that.

  110. #110 by cav on October 10, 2012 - 8:31 am

    Was she defending her party and at the same time calling out an attitude that might be held across the spectrum? While surely some of her party mates needed attitude adjustment on the misogyny / sexism issues, there’s likely ample reason to dress down the opposition for numerous failings in the same harangue.

  111. #111 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 8:42 am

    Larry, good choice of song. I am a big Doors fan. Used to live not far from where Jim lived in LA.

  112. #112 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 9:04 am

    Larry, I agree with you about the elections. If the will of the people were what we got then Obama wouldn’t be president.

  113. #113 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 9:04 am

    So where is MSNBC on this election issue?

  114. #114 by Jonesy on October 10, 2012 - 9:16 am

    I doubt it cav, Gillard is going to have to rule in a man’s world down under, if she wants to whine about misogynists that is her “beer” , It will be a waste of time, you never heard Maggie Thatcher whining about men and their habits while she kicked their ass and ruled them, and that was 30 years ago.

    You don’t end misogyny by whining about it, you sanction the people and fire them, she weakened her hand by whining, and no doubt the opposition will not forget it.

    What comes around goes around in a parliamentary system.

  115. #115 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2012 - 9:26 am

    The point about the U.S. being a net exporter of oil is this: “Drill Baby Drill” is a fantasy. There is a world market for petroleum. A glut of oil in North America isn’t bringing prices down, they just export it.

    Too bad both major political parties are preaching the Drill Baby gospel. The Obama administration has opened up the Arctic to drilling, without the slightest clue what to do in the event of a Deepwater Horizon catastrophe up there.

  116. #116 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 10:01 am

    The point is that the US is not a net exporter of oil. You are plain wrong. The US is a net exporter of refined product. The US is still a net importer of oil. There is no glut in the US.

  117. #117 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 10:02 am

  118. #118 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 10:22 am

    Larry, this song is for you. I’d thought you’d like it. Listen to the lyrics.

  119. #119 by cav on October 10, 2012 - 3:30 pm

    If Ryan keeps it under 10 lies, he’ll get a pass.

    And keep an eye out for the new ‘Jack-In-The-Box advert, starring an Anne Rmoney look alike and a family of Men with large Styrofoam balls for heads.

  120. #120 by Larry Bergan on October 10, 2012 - 3:31 pm

    brewski:

    I like that song, but I think it probably talks to high level “conservative” tyranny and censorship more then the police.

    The Doors were fantastic. I bought every one of their albums and then had to buy them again when CD’s came out.

    Obama won his election.

    I’m glad the entire “Hacking Democracy” movie is available for free now as posted above at #108. It’s very important that people know that a machine in Florida turned up with MINUS, MULTIPLE THOUSANDS of votes for Gore in 2000, when they tell us the election was circumvented by a corrupt supreme court and frozen when bush was supposed to have had around 500 votes more then Gore. It was the beginning of the end of our republic.

  121. #121 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 5:57 pm

    I am the Lizard King I can do anything.

  122. #122 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 5:58 pm

    So Larry, why aren’t the Obama’s and Pelosi of and the other good lefties doing something about the hacking problem?

  123. #123 by Larry Bergan on October 10, 2012 - 6:56 pm

    brewski:

    Governor Don Siegalman said something about it and got put in prison by Karl – election thief – Rove and friends. A dishonest law system has sent this good man back to prison after a short reprieve , and the corporate media hasn’t done more then one story on him.

    If you weren’t so caught up in money and data, you might have followed the story. The media sure hasn’t. 60 minutes did a story on Siegalman and the subject of election fraud never came up.

    Please learn more about this and sign his petition.

  124. #124 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 8:29 pm

    Larry, I am on your side on this one. Obama should pardon Siegalman, and he probably will after the election. I would hope.

    This issue of stealing elections is hard for Democrats to make a big stink about since Obama stole the primary from Hillary. So the Chicago thug machine is just as dirty as the Rove machine. So it doesn’t work to have one dirty scum trying to be all high and noble about another dirty scum. The problem isn’t just that Rove is dirty scum. The problem is that they all are.

    http://current.com/community/93752479_revealed-by-wikileaks-obama-team-stole-election-bribed-jesse-jackson-and-took-russian-money-in-2008.htm

  125. #125 by Larry Bergan on October 10, 2012 - 9:19 pm

    The only thing that’s clear is that Don Siegalman is NOT dirty scum, but he’s in prison either for trying to get poor people to college or for exposing rigged voting machines.

    The only thing I get from your link is a morass of nonsense, which is, very unfortunately, what we’ve become accustomed to in “the greatest country on the face of the earth.”

    I’m leaning towards the Wikipedia explanation of your “source”, which includes disclaimers. If this has anything to do with NewsMax, save your breath.

  126. #126 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 10:32 pm

    Speaking of ad hominem

  127. #127 by cav on October 10, 2012 - 10:33 pm

    And who isn’t?

  128. #128 by cav on October 10, 2012 - 10:53 pm

    Jack-In-The-Box ad with Anne Romney lookalike.

    http://www.jackinthebox.com/commercials/

    It’s the first option. Anyone recognize the Mom? The rest of the fam – Mitt, Tagg, Bott. Sure glad they’re not fighting ‘our’ wars – and so are they.

  129. #129 by brewski on October 10, 2012 - 11:03 pm

    Larry, you should like this video from a Democrat about voter fraud:
    http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/21/democrat-says-democratic-party-bosses-use-voter-fraud-video/

  130. #130 by cav on October 11, 2012 - 7:56 am

    Good tube brewski. Yet it remains clear, thwarting progressives and making money are still underpin voter fraud efforts.

  131. #131 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 9:18 am

    All sides are right and all sides are wrong. There is a lot of voter fraud done by both sides. The voter ID laws are no more politically motivated than the BS lawsuits by Holder saying that they are unconstitutional. The right answer isn’t a partisan answer. The right answer is a verified one person one vote and you need to actually be a citizen and be alive. This is done other places without difficulty without everyone throwing the R-bomb around.

  132. #132 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 10:16 am

    Give one example of a non-citizen or dead person casting a vote in a federal election. The guy who says ballots were counted with Donald Duck as the name of the voter hasn’t got proof.

    You can’t tell me this is non-partisan. Only Republicans engage in voter suppression. Why was early voting allowed in Ohio for the GOP primary but now they are trying to shut it down just before the general election? Why try to require 760,000 voters in Pennsylvania to spend time and money obtaining new ID for this election, when they have voted all their lives without it?

  133. #133 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 10:24 am

    I love you standard. Any good smear by the left is authentic. Any solid statement you don’t like requires a notarized affidavit.

  134. #134 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 10:41 am

    PA State Rep. Mike Turzai is a Republican, and to my knowledge not a leftist.

    Can you explain why all of a sudden the Republicans want 760,000 Pennsylvania voters to obtain ID for this election? What’s the rush? Why do they have to take time off work and stand in line?

    The capability to issue the number of IDs needed before November 6 doesn’t even exist.

  135. #135 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 10:54 am

    All sides are right and all sides are wrong. There is a lot of voter fraud done by both sides. The voter ID laws are no more politically motivated than the BS lawsuits by Holder saying that they are unconstitutional. The right answer isn’t a partisan answer. The right answer is a verified one person one vote and you need to actually be a citizen and be alive. This is done other places without difficulty without everyone throwing the R-bomb around.

  136. #136 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 11:23 am

    Voting is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. It’s a violation of the Constitution to set up arbitrary rules that prevent Americans from exercising this right. Can we agree on that? Sure, you need a driver’s license to drive and a similar form of ID to board an airplane – but those are not constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

  137. #137 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 11:47 am

    It is not unconstitutional for the government to set up reasonable rules governing elections and voting. There is nothing unconstitutional requiring people to show who they are and where they live. You do need to show ID to enter a courthouse and that is constitutionally guaranteed under due process, speedy trial, jury of peers, and all that. The constitution protects the freedom to assemble. That doesn’t mean that it is unconstitutional to require a group to get a permit to hold a protest. You got no constitutional or logical legs to stand on.

    http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/dcd/taxonomy/term/1

    Does this mean that the DC Federal Courts are racists and denying citizens their constitutional rights?

  138. #138 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 12:00 pm

    What’s wrong with the normal system? You register to vote, giving your address etc. Anybody who writes “Donald Duck” would be asked if that is his real name. Then when you vote, you sign the register so that nobody votes twice. It’s somewhat convenient, and doesn’t cost any money. I vote by mail, which is more convenient and I don’t have to show ID!

  139. #139 by cav on October 11, 2012 - 12:44 pm

    In the olden days, the printers of ballots sometimes over-estimated and printed up too many ballots in anticipation of turn-out. So of some of this ‘overage’ ended up with with dead peoples names scratched on them, and a vote for some friend or acquaintance of the printers – that’s understandable. But, nowadays, bits and bytes are so universal, not only can the count be ‘hacked’, it can be finely tuned. Who are the friends and moneyed acquaintances of the digital vote machine lobby?

    Wouldn’t be anyone of the republican breed, that’s for sure.

  140. #140 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 1:01 pm

    What the GOP calls “voter fraud” turns out to be simple mistakes, like someone who voted by mail and then died before Election Day. That’s what they mean by “dead people voting,” it’s an error not a crime.

  141. #141 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 2:14 pm

    The Democratic gentleman said what is wrong with it and you dismissed him out of hand.

  142. #142 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 2:38 pm

    Yeah, right. “Donald Duck” registered to vote and then actually voted in Alabama. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Artur Davis is a Republican now. I suspect he had already decided to switch parties when he helped promote the right-wing myths about voter fraud.

  143. #143 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 3:04 pm

    “Davis was an early supporter of Barack Obama’s 2008 bid for the presidency, and one of the national co-chairs for Obama’s 2008 campaign. Known for his oratorical skills, Davis made one of the nominating speeches for Obama at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.”

    Or maybe he realized what a lying sack of shit Democrats are and how they are a bunch of racists and that he finally saw the light to freedom and prosperity for his country.

  144. #144 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 3:39 pm

    Or maybe he saw how token black politicians often get treated as rock stars in the GOP while the Democrats take them for granted.

  145. #145 by cav on October 11, 2012 - 4:46 pm

    I see where instead of creating jobs, the House gop will investigate Labor’s September jobs numbers.

  146. #146 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 4:53 pm

    In 2010 they promised to focus on “jobs-jobs-jobs.” By which it turns out they meant cut public sector jobs and blame it on President Obama, and discourage private sector hiring and blame President Obama. But then they got distracted by abortion, and the no-jobs agenda faltered.

  147. #147 by Jonesy on October 11, 2012 - 5:34 pm

    Well the public sector is the target because they are the least efficient mechanism of economy the world has ever seen. You are not going to get rid of 1099 contractors who float their own boat..you get rid of long term useless state, municipal and federal employees first..with them goes all the dough the public must spend to pay for their gimmees.

    Government employment should be the lowest paid, with no benefits to discourage its growth, with no right to collective bargaining, just like it is in all soshulist countries I can think of. The upshot of your service under these conditions in soshulist countries is that you retire with 100% of your final pay as your pension payout.

    The Sept. job #’s should be investigated, in WA. unemployment rose 1/2 % last month, so truly as I ask around of job seekers they to a person say the same thing, Due to the election and the media being in the tank for obama everyone even people who support him here, aren’t buying it.

  148. #148 by cav on October 11, 2012 - 5:40 pm

    I think the GOP ‘no jobs’ agenda has been quite successful. I mean the President is sneaking past the graveyard with the 7.8% numbers as it is. Imagine what might have happened if he’d come out of the gate as though he were elected in a landslide, had capacious political capital and a mandated direction.

    I lived in a dream.

  149. #149 by Larry Bergan on October 11, 2012 - 6:38 pm

    Arthur Davis is another plant as far as I can tell. I didn’t see any video on the page, but the article ends with:

    Davis is free to talk publicly because he quit electoral politics in 2010, giving up his African-American-dominated district to run for the Democratic nomination in the 2010 gubernatorial race. He lost in the primary, and the the winning Democrat subsequently lost to the Republican by 16 points, 42 percent to 58 percent.

    Seems ironic that with this massive democratic party “voter fraud”, the republican won.

    Stop with the Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, Lassie nonsense. It’s not funny. :(

    This is all just another case of Republicans accusing the other side of what THEY’RE doing, which is stealing elections in any way they can find.

    Read all about it in Greg Palast’s new, bestseller.

  150. #150 by Larry Bergan on October 11, 2012 - 6:44 pm

    Richard:

    You may be safe voting by mail if Sherrie Swensen is counting it, but Greg Palast says that many hundreds of thousands of provisional, and mail in ballots simply end up in the garbage can.

  151. #151 by Larry Bergan on October 11, 2012 - 6:48 pm

    brewski:

    If you really care about this country and the rights of it’s citizens to have their votes counted, you’d stop reading and posting garbage on the internet.

    Donald Duck is a cartoon character.

  152. #152 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 8:37 pm

    “Or maybe he saw how token black”

    The racism of the Statists rears its ugly head, again. What is it with you people? Slavery wasn’t enough? Jim Crow wasn’t enough? Filibustering the Civil Rights Act wasn’t enough?

    Going to go to another lynchin’ tonight with your white hood on?

  153. #153 by Larry Bergan on October 11, 2012 - 8:54 pm

    I know that Joe The Plumber – I guess his middle name was The – was a token white. Does that make me racist against my own race. Was his real name Joe.

    Who cares.

    We have to define who the real shills are; the ones who are really working against us. Most of them don’t have names at all. There’s a purpose for that.

  154. #154 by brewski on October 11, 2012 - 9:28 pm

    You notice the it is the Regressive who is the first person to throw a person’s race in their face in a derogatory manner when it wasn’t even germane to the topic. Regressives are the most racist group ever ever since they tried to exterminate them. Democrats, the KKK, the Progressive movement.

  155. #155 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2012 - 9:30 pm

    His name is Samuel Wurzelbacher, and he has never been a licensed plumber. He’s now running for Congress in Ohio’s 9th congressional district, against Rep. Marcy Kaptur.

    I think “Joe’s” finest hour was in 2009 when he tried to be a war correspondent in Israel during their orgy of war crimes in Gaza. Accompanied everywhere by an Israeli government minder, he never got to see what was really happening to the Palestinians.

  156. #156 by Larry Bergan on October 11, 2012 - 10:22 pm

    Of course the natural progression is always from failed plumber, to war correspondent, to congress. :)

    The thing that bothers me about “joe” is that they never show the entire clip of his encounter with Obama. All you see is Joe asking why a guy who never made 250,000 dollars fixing peoples toilets, why Obama wants to put him out of business, (paraphrasing), but close enough.

    What Obama said in the entire encounter was perfectly true. He said that if people didn’t make enough money to hire a plumber, he wouldn’t get any business.

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