What Foreign Policy Debate?

Afghan poll
Washington Post/ABC Poll

The problem with tonight’s presidential foreign policy debate is that both major political parties are committed to the almost the exact same foreign policy. Despite the fact most Americans are against it.

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Even the New York Times has reversed its position of over 11 years and editorialized for withdrawal from Afghanistan now.

The crowd at the Republican National Convention cheered for immediate withdrawal when Clint Eastwood and Senator Rand Paul proposed it.

The U.K. and other allies are speeding up their withdrawal plans.

A strong majority of Americans has favored withdrawal in polls for years now.

And who’s left favoring two more years of war, followed by 10 more years of lower-level war?

These guys: Obama, Romney, Biden, and Ryan.

Tell them to give up on endless war in Afghanistan.

The military-industrial complex shouldn’t get to have two candidates for president.

UPDATE: What Jill Stein would say if she were allowed to debate tonight:

“We support a Green New Deal, which will put everyone back to work, at the same time that it puts a halt to climate change and it makes wars for oil obsolete.”

I’d be surprised if we hear the term “climate change” tonight from either Romney or Obama.

UPDATE: Suddenly Centrist Romney Repeatedly Praises Obama’s Foreign Policy In Debate

NYT: “Mr. Romney’s problem is that he does not actually have any real ideas on foreign policy beyond what President Obama has already done, or plans to do.”

UPDATE: Presidential debate on foreign policy: Barack Obama and Mitt Romney engage in titanic struggle to locate major differences between each other

Obama boasts of the massive amount of military spending under his presidency. Romney then says he wants to spend more. It is inconceivable that anyone would suggest that spending almost more than all other countries on the planet combined is excessive. That is the election in a nutshell.

…A primary reason this debate is so awful is because DC media people like Bob Scheiffer have zero interest in challenging any policy that is embraced by both parties, and since most foreign policies are embraced by both parties, he has no interest in challenging most of the issues that are relevant: drones, sanctions, Israel, etc.

  1. #1 by brewski on October 22, 2012 - 2:25 pm

  2. #2 by Richard Warnick on October 22, 2012 - 2:38 pm

    Too bad only the major party candidates are allowed in tonight’s debate. Which will be about style more than substance.

  3. #3 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 22, 2012 - 3:03 pm

    I figure as similar and hapless as obama will be ‘splainin his foreign policy tonight, mitt won’t be much better…

    …I think it only fair that any challenger to these two pretenders be handcuffed to a chair and have to listen to them for 8 hrs before being able to respond. Like the good green party candidate was forced to endure.

    As bloody and stupid as they sound, it’s only fair, equal time of any verbal value is concerned.

    The forecast is drivel.

  4. #4 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 22, 2012 - 3:30 pm

    Are we awake yet?

    I’m pinching myself…., is this a dream? I knew bein’ dead was going to be a surprise, but I never imagined it could wind up like this.

    The American dream is over, if you wake up you won’t be able to believe in it anymore.

    Is that why you’re still sleeping?

  5. #5 by Richard Warnick on October 22, 2012 - 9:08 pm

    Thanks to the power of the Etch-A-Sketch, Romney was able to erase almost whatever small differences of foreign policy there were between the two candidates.

    I did enjoy President Obama’s explanation that Romney’s $2 trillion Dreadnought-heavy plan for national defense might not be realistic in the 21st Century.

  6. #6 by cav on October 22, 2012 - 9:18 pm

    Horses and bayonettes, also looped nicely around Mitt’s neck.

  7. #7 by Richard Warnick on October 22, 2012 - 9:25 pm

  8. #8 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 8:24 am

    From: Ed Herger Salem, New Hampshire

    “Miliarist Keynesiansim.

    Romney missed the Coast Guard, US Army’s fleets, as well as the military sealift command, oh well.

    Today the 12 largest fleets in the world are US carrier battle groups. The 10 next largest fleets are US amphibious ready groups.

    The issue with Navy ships: they are huge cost overruns, coming out late with immense technical difficulties.

    The new class of super carrier, $35B before overruns on two ships that are engineering models, and have an electro magnet catapult which looks like it won’t work.

    The small navy is the result of the failed oversight of the military acquisition system, which congress has preferred militarist Keynesianism to a maintaining a usable navy.

    This is not unique to the Navy: AF has F-22 (183 for the price of 750), B-2 (stopped at 20 because it did fail its tests), C-17.

    None of the “requiring” services want to manage the F-35, Joint Strike Fighter, Thunderbolt II, give it a series of names to hide the overruns. This super weapon will be,1500 billion dollars trying to make it meet a few of its specifications over the first 25 years.

    Army has just about anything they buy overrunning and tech problems.

    GAO points these things out every March; congress does nothing to affect the militarist Keynesianism welfare queens.”

    The whole building more ships is simply promising more jobs in a swing state like Virginia. And increasing the military budget is about defense industry welfare that actual defense.

  9. #9 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 8:46 am

    The very latest Dreadnought battleships. That’s what we need for the U.S. Navy. Tried and true 100-year-old technology!

  10. #10 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 23, 2012 - 8:48 am

    This is why I assess Russia as a far deadlier enemy than our people assess it to be. During the Cold War Russia did not have the resources, ie money to bilk from their people to hand over to the like of boeing to build crap that doesn’t work for trillions of dollars by now.

    On the other hand Russians had to be efficient. Their weapons are built from day 1 to destroy American capital assets. They are dead eye dick, and WORK! The TOPOL is the most sophisticated ballistic missile on Earth.

    It’s base platform the SS-27 has been keeping the International Space station in beer and toilet paper for well over 20 years. To date, we gots nuthin’ ‘cept a hulk transiting the streets of LA.

  11. #11 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 9:38 am

    Apparently Obama smacked down his own Secretary of Defense:

    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/11/defense-panetta-letter-to-mccain-sequestration-111411w/

  12. #12 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 9:57 am

    Panetta was addressing the sequestration cuts, which won’t ever happen.

    Dreadnoughts are the answer to keep defense contractors happy. I would say triremes, but they aren’t expensive enough.

  13. #13 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 10:02 am

    Are dreadnoughts and triremes anything like bayonettes? I don’t even know what that means.

    Ryanomics

  14. #14 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 10:07 am

    NYT: “Mr. Romney’s problem is that he does not actually have any real ideas on foreign policy beyond what President Obama has already done, or plans to do.”

  15. #15 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 10:11 am

    New York Slime editorial? Really?

  16. #16 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 10:42 am

    Sorry, I’ll get you something from Faux News Channel if possible. A source you and Sarah Palin would find credible.

  17. #17 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 10:50 am

    Thank you for admitting that the NY Slime is just like Fox News.

  18. #18 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 10:53 am

    “Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal and Israeli commandos boarding the vessel had to defend themselves against organized and violent resistance.”

    New York Slimes

  19. #19 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 11:09 am

    Currently right-wing news media seem to be obsessed with proving that the military still uses horses and bayonets.

  20. #20 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 11:14 am

    brewski–

    That was not an editorial. The NYT article you quoted (without linking) was summarizing a U.N. report, and went on to say:

    But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive.

  21. #21 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 11:26 am

    Presidential debate on foreign policy: Barack Obama and Mitt Romney engage in titanic struggle to locate major differences between each other

    A primary reason this debate is so awful is because DC media people like Bob Scheiffer have zero interest in challenging any policy that is embraced by both parties, and since most foreign policies are embraced by both parties, he has no interest in challenging most of the issues that are relevant: drones, sanctions, Israel, etc.

    Glenn Greenwald? Really?

  22. #22 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 11:40 am

    So you are saying you agree that the naval blockade was legal and that the commandoes did face organized and violent resistance?

  23. #23 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 11:43 am

    I acknowledge that the NYT said that there is a U.N. report that says that. Also that the report condemns Israel for killing passengers and excessive use of force. One of those killed was a U.S. citizen, and the Obama administration never even wrote a letter to complain. If the Israelis didn’t board the ship in the middle of the night with armed commandos, then nothing would have happened!

    Last night, President Obama stated that any attack on Israel would be treated as an attack on the USA. I heartily disagree with that policy.

  24. #24 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 12:03 pm

    Rep. Ryan, this morning on CBS:

    “To compare modern American battleships with bayonets, I just don’t understand that comparison,” the Wisconsin Republican said. “Look, we have to have a strong Navy to keep peace and prosperity.”

    Note to Ryan: Our Navy doesn’t have any battleships on active service. Are you proposing to build some? This guy is not commander-in-chief material.

  25. #25 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 1:04 pm

    Is Obama?

  26. #26 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 1:32 pm

    brewski–

    In answer to your question, I would say President Obama has been a competent commander-in-chief. That’s not to say I agree with all of his decisions.

    I expect he’s aware that the U.S. Navy has no operational battleships. ;-)

  27. #27 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 1:57 pm

    You called him a war criminal and now you call him competent. Quite a flip flopper you are.

  28. #28 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 2:06 pm

    You’re being illogical.

    Rep. Ryan is ignorant.

  29. #29 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 2:18 pm

    Submarines are not ships.
    Obama fails the test.

  30. #30 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 2:28 pm

    ???

  31. #31 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 2:30 pm

    Also, your partisan blindness prevents you from also recognizing that the phrase “battleship” can have two meanings. One is the narrow anal definition you are using. The second is the more general use for any ship of the line, or any ship which can be in the line of battle. That would include cruisers and destroyers.

    This is also funny coming from someone who doesn’t know the differences between words like more vs less, higher vs lower, increase vs decrease. You also don’t know the meaning of words such as capitalism, money and other 3rd grade topics. You also can’t read.

  32. #32 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 2:33 pm

    List of current ships of the United States Navy Includes submarines.

    The word battleship has only one meaning for anyone with any knowledge of military affairs. Ryan clearly lacks the most fundamental understanding of what’s up with the U.S. Navy, which he made clear by saying “modern American battleship.” No battleship has been launched since 1944.

  33. #33 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 2:35 pm

    “We have ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.”
    Obama the failure

    Any real Navy man would know that a submarine is a boat and not a ship. I guess you wouldn’t know that.

  34. #34 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 2:37 pm

    Having been arrested and chained to a metal chair for nine hours during last week’s presidential debate, Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein is suing the Presidential Debate Commission, Federal Elections Commission and both major parties for excluding Third Party candidates from the “closed-door masterpiece” that is the debates.

    http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/10/23

  35. #35 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 2:38 pm

    “For reasons of naval tradition submarines are usually referred to as “boats” rather than as “ships”, regardless of their size.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine

    You lose!

  36. #36 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 2:40 pm

    Obama was condescendingly attempting to inform the dunderhead.

  37. #37 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 2:40 pm

  38. #38 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 2:43 pm

    “For reasons of naval tradition submarines are usually referred to as “boats” rather than as “ships”, regardless of their size.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine

    You lose!

  39. #39 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 3:49 pm

    “…your partisan blindness prevents you from also recognizing that the phrase “battleship” can have two meanings. One is the narrow anal definition you are using….(snip)…coming from someone who doesn’t know the differences between words like more vs less, higher vs lower, increase vs decrease. You also don’t know the meaning of words such as capitalism, money and other 3rd grade topics. You also can’t read.

    But submarines are usually (though not always, nor necessarily I am to assume),..referred…

    This is your position? I suggest you hastily give up that for which you are named. It’s doing you no good.

  40. #40 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 3:52 pm

    If President Obama had said the word “boat” instead of ship, Faux News Channel would have jumped to claim he was wrong. So he said the right thing.

    Now they are all busy over there, conducting lengthy discussions of how horses and bayonets are still occasionally useful in modern warfare.


    Jeff Daniels, “Gettysburg” (1993): He had no choice, they were almost out of ammo.

  41. #41 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 3:54 pm

    The discussion has once again locked on to the bull-feces. Another example of media overplay, diversion and incompetence.

  42. #42 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 23, 2012 - 4:03 pm

    No matter what it’s becoming clearer that the public is about to ship out obama’s boatload of crap..

  43. #43 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 4:07 pm

    I think President Obama has already won, because of early voting in the swing states that will decide the election.

  44. #44 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 4:08 pm

  45. #46 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 4:11 pm

    Actually, we probably don’t have fewer bayonets now than in 1916. Back then, the army was about 108,000 men strong, and the National Guard boasted about 90,000 men. That’s 200,000 bayonets at the most. At present, we have almost a million servicemen who have been issued a bayonet, if only for training — they are standard issue for Marines — and around the same number of reserve bayonets. (The U.S. did not have a substantial reserve of men or weapons in 1916.) Even with these generous back-of-the-envelope calculations, the United States now purchases ten times more bayonets than it did in 1916.

    Obama fails the test!

  46. #47 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 23, 2012 - 4:24 pm

    Dreams die hard

  47. #48 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 4:24 pm

    I was in the Army for four years, and was never issued a bayonet. In fact, the only time I fixed a bayonet was on our ROTC drill team, which used 1903 Springfield rifles.

    But it appears the DOD has more than half a million M9 bayonets in its inventory. No battleships, sadly.

  48. #49 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 4:55 pm

    Yes, the Army does not. The Marines do.

  49. #50 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 4:59 pm

    Hey, score one for the fact-checkers. The President was (arguably) wrong, depending on how thin you want to slice the baloney. Our bloated defense establishment probably has more bayonets now than in 1917, though I’m sure it’s less than World War II. And they are more reliable than Patriot missiles, too.

  50. #51 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 5:57 pm

    Apparently you are the thinnest slicer of baloney. Your parsing of battleship vs warship shows that you are willing to slice the baloney pretty thin as long as it doesn’t really matter.

  51. #52 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 6:29 pm

    Beat those bayonettes into bongs.

    The bologna was sliced so thin he could read the teleprompter through it. Thinner than my wallet.

    As long as it doesn’t really matter, which it doesn’t.

  52. #53 by Richard Warnick on October 23, 2012 - 7:20 pm

    Last night, Romney admitted he can’t read a map. Did you catch it? “Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea.” This is like John McCain talking about the Iraq/Pakistan border.

    Do you think geography is something a commander-in-chief ought to know?

  53. #54 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 8:09 pm

    Is that like Obama’s 57 states?

  54. #55 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 8:09 pm

    Is that something the President of the United States (all 57 of them) should know?

  55. #56 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 8:33 pm

    It seems he made the same mistake three times. That’s no simple flub. That’s ignorance.

  56. #57 by brewski on October 23, 2012 - 8:49 pm

    “When I meet with world leaders, what’s striking — whether it’s in Europe or here in Asia…” -Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011

    “We’re the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad.” —Cincinnati, OH, Sept. 22, 2011

    “One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world — Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard.” –mispronouncing “Corpsman” (the “ps” is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman’s name is also Christopher, not Christian)

    “The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.” –Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

    “UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.” –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

    “It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.” –confusing German for “Austrian,” a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

    “Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee — which is my committee — a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.” –referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

    “I’ve now been in 57 states — I think one left to go.” –at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” –on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

  57. #58 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 23, 2012 - 9:31 pm

    C’mon, we don’t want to dredge up the written down on paper truth do we?

  58. #59 by cav on October 23, 2012 - 9:48 pm

    I’ve made a mistake or two in my time, and almost made another before I caught myself. But if the cameras were ever-present They might have caught some I missed. We’ll never know. The mistake I almost made but DID NOT was to take seriously the pitch for me to run for the presidency. Was close though. I do not regret not throwing my hat in the ring.

  59. #60 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 23, 2012 - 10:54 pm

    Well, it’s finally happened, the absolute morally bereft nature of our nazi drone terror campaign has reared its true face.

    “they hate us for our freedoms” obama signed off on this. As Commander in Chief he bears ultimate responsibility. His watch.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220828/US-drone-attacks-CIA-chiefs-face-arrest-horrific-evidence-bloody-video-game-sorties.html

  60. #61 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 23, 2012 - 11:17 pm

    Here’s what’s coming home to all of us in the very near future. Are you getting it yet why this is the most important election issue never talked about? Get shot by a drone, get patched up by blowbama care..covering all the bases.

    http://dailybail.com/home/feds-prepare-to-unleash-30000-spy-drones-over-america.html

  61. #62 by cav on October 24, 2012 - 6:59 am

    “…the most detailed investigation into individual strikes that has yet been carried out. It suggests that the US President was mistaken.”

    More like ‘seriously flawed, overseer of criminally insane operatives for whom years of training in murder and mayhem have shoved them OFF of the spectrum of humanity. Yet still, they’re in our employ!

    ‘Bug-splats’ indeed. I think I’ve discerned the problem here: There’s no shame great enough for these shit-headed, murderous scum.

  62. #63 by cav on October 24, 2012 - 7:12 am

    What? Who me?

    Money talks, and unmanned drones do the killing!

  63. #64 by cav on October 24, 2012 - 7:38 am

    The New York Times piece first revealing the existence of an administration “kill list” of which flying death robots are only one available ‘tool’, noted, the U.S. “counts all military age males in a strike zone as combatants … unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.”

    Kill first, we see, then ask questions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

    Our tax dollars at work. Moral deterioration much?

  64. #65 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 9:32 am

    I’m hoping that in time, people will understand as the Germans sadly did, that any promised benefit will never be realized, as long as this murder stands as an open policy.

    The American’s will have nothing, if you can tagged, killed, found by a drone, then all else has no value, as you cower in your homes, waiting for handouts, a little rationed health care (hey, we’re busted, you don’t think there will be rationing?)

    Wake up America. It is now too late, rather than fight to vanquish this enemy, you now must fight to simply maintain,

    ..what you thought you had.

  65. #66 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 9:44 am

    We have degenerated to the Salem Mass. method of determining which males are a terrorist, in the same manner addled public officials in then America determined that a woman was NOT a witch if drowned during the process of DUNKING! If you lived, you were a witch, and then hanged, if you were dead, well then good news, you weren’t a witch, and off to Heaven you go.

    This drone killing method is a patently genocidal and insane policy. Any man using the “tool” is completely off their moral hinges. It is also very prone to abuse. Think jacking off to internet porn in front of a screen in a darkened room, and you will get the idea. Who knows where the load is gonna land? Careful of the screen!

    Seems to be a requirement to be president these days.

  66. #67 by cav on October 24, 2012 - 9:58 am

    I’m convinced the people who fear terrorists and totalitarianism are reacting to what they see in the mirror.

  67. #68 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 10:06 am

    I apologize, I find I must resort to disgusting images of personal depravity when I describe the ethical underpinnings of this policy.

    While one is well within their rights to bug splat their computer screen, taking it out of your home and finding other areas and people to inflict yourself on is still illegal in America.

    Here is a question. Where does most of the assassin whacking occur in the US? That would be like big failed cities, like chicago, detroit, la,..it is no surprise that pre-emptive attacks with nazi terror weapons have their appeal, after all, our current goon president did come out of chicago corrupted gangland…community organizer indeed.

  68. #69 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 10:13 am

    The pieces are all starting to fall together.

    We nazi now, the history of the gang affiliations for near decades amongst hardcore nazis in Germany is well known. Why would fascism be any different here but for the venue and the platitudes. We sadly don’t get our roads repaired, or have the trains run, let alone run on time like some nations rife with fascism do. Degenerate people.

    We nazi now.

    We nazi now.

    Say it a few times and stops meaning anything. Don’t worry, it’ll be alright, it’ll be ok.

    Hey look ,dancing with the stars is on….later, much.

  69. #70 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 10:15 am

    “that which an enemy use to terrify you, is in fact what he is terrified of”

    Eric Hoffer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hoffer

  70. #71 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 11:03 am

    Cav, where are you in WA? I’m over here, west side story.

    This truism is as true today, as it was 5000 years ago.

    “You are by thine enemy defined”

    We are quite a pair then the Parthians vs the neo cons…CFR dirbags, and their fellow travelers.

  71. #72 by Richard Warnick on October 24, 2012 - 11:06 am

    Funny, that’s sounds a lot like the philosophy of Ra’s al Ghul (Liam Neeson) in “Batman Begins” (2005). One of the top comic-book villains of all time.

  72. #73 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 11:26 am

    So you are finally getting the picture through comic book metaphors.

    Any way it has to happen at this point.

    We sure as shit ‘aint the Justice League.

  73. #74 by Richard Warnick on October 24, 2012 - 11:47 am

    All I’m getting amounts to, “blah blah witches blah blah jacking off blah blah nazi blah fascism blah blah blah.”

    Look, we agree on the facts. The drone war is illegal and morally bankrupt. Our establishment news media won’t question the morality of drones until somebody attacks us the same way. Then they will call it “terrorism.”

  74. #75 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 11:52 am

    It’s all entertainment at this point nothing to do but heckle and laugh at it and those in support of the individuals behind it for ANY reason.

    Read how our “troops” a splatting civilians with drones, and maybe you can get the metaphor, it is that pornographic, basically FEDERALLY MANDATED SNUFF FLICKS!

  75. #76 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 11:54 am

    Can’t you hear the air raid sirens in the distance?

    The Alarms..

    ..and the Klaxon?

  76. #77 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 11:58 am

  77. #78 by the Ghost of George Carlin on October 24, 2012 - 12:01 pm

    Put both on, and LISTEN!

  78. #79 by cav on October 24, 2012 - 5:14 pm

    I’m somewhat South and East of that. Whygene, in fact. Got a spindley little root into the land of milk and cookies, so I’ve sort of become addicted to this goofy blog. Probably goofy ’cause I’m such a pushy sociamalist and can’t keep my hands off of the keyboard.

    Things could be worse…like doing the multiple Klaxonzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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