Utah’s Secession Petition

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:

Peacefully grant the State of Utah to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

We the people of the great state of Utah, do see that in today’s world the Federal Government has not led our citizens justly and with honor. We therefore as free men and women of our great state do believe that it is time to take matter upon ourselves to ensure our continued freedom, and to enact our own laws and here buy govern ourselves without the federal government’s involvement in our internal matters from this day forward.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin: 1775
Created: Nov 11, 2012

[Typos in the original]

As of today, people from 40 states have filed petitions on whitehouse.gov asking to secede from the Union. Four of the petitions have already garnered the 25,000 signatures required for a presidential response, including Louisiana, Texas, and Florida — all members of the old Confederacy.

Next time a right-winger calls me a traitor, I’ll be sure to ask if they signed a secession petition!

UPDATE: Jon Stewart Mocks Secessionists: ‘Stop. Wait. Don’t Go.’ (VIDEO)

UPDATE: Hannity And Drudge Give Credence To Post-Election Calls For Secession

UPDATE: Twenty five percent of registered Republicans want their state to secede from the United States, according to a new poll from Public Policy Polling.

  1. #1 by Larry Bergan on November 13, 2012 - 8:35 pm

    It’s a delight watching the crazies go off the deep end after the election, but why are people from out of state allowed to sign the petition for Utah?

    Right wingers never brought up that Benjamin Franklin quote much when Bush was in office. I always associated it more with the department of homeland security nonsense.

  2. #2 by Nathan Erkkila on November 13, 2012 - 10:16 pm

    Democracy is only fun if you are the majority. But whatever. Watching them struggle like a dying animal is very amusing.

  3. #3 by JenaLee Nelson-Pehrson on November 13, 2012 - 10:25 pm

    it would be the thing for people to do, stop the taxing of middle and low income, let the billionaires pay.

  4. #4 by cav on November 14, 2012 - 6:52 am

    Yes, by all means, do secede. But, don’t think for a minute the property presently held by the U. S. Government or the mineral rights for valuable stuff below uTah’s surface will be attaching to your departure.

    NahGunnaHapn

  5. #5 by David M. Hunt on November 14, 2012 - 9:36 am

    With so many states getting going, it seems inevitable. So why spend time fighting the natural flow.

  6. #6 by cav on November 14, 2012 - 11:21 am

    No. I think a couple of thousand disgruntled, wrong-headed losers, really need to accept the fact the bullshit their leadership put up for them at such great costs was just that. Weren’t you aware of the lies and obfuscation emanating from your hero’s flapping lips?

    Why be so damned anti-democracy with your sad loss?

  7. #7 by cav on November 14, 2012 - 1:25 pm

    I hereby declare, should this ridiculous proposition come to fruition, I get the Burr Trail, The needles, and All terrain visible from Dead-Horse point.

    Be it duly registered by this public pronouncement.

  8. #8 by Richard Warnick on November 14, 2012 - 2:18 pm

    But everything you can see from Dead Horse Point is National Park or BLM land.

  9. #9 by Richard Warnick on November 14, 2012 - 4:36 pm

    You mean the potash mine? Not worth looking at, and not the reason to go to Dead Horse Point.

  10. #10 by Larry Bergan on November 14, 2012 - 5:31 pm

    Everything you see from Dead Horse Point should be natural. The potash mine isn’t, and takes away from an otherwise spiritual experience.

    The air pollution adds to the feeling of depression, instead of awe.

  11. #11 by evil is evil on November 14, 2012 - 6:14 pm

    Let’s do them a favor. Let’s petition for the US Government to provide free transportation, for any petitioner for secession, to the Libertarian paradise of Somalia.

    Heck, wouldn’t even have to load up a full air craft carrier. Give them some guns, bacon, alcohol and drop them off just after President Obama has made one his murder drone strikes in an area.

  12. #12 by kerem cantekin on November 14, 2012 - 6:38 pm

    I am just a foreigner living in Utah and curious on US democracy. If a state can secede from Union in case it doesn’t agree with the direction majority of Americans choose, then can also a county secede from a state if it doesn’t agree with the direction majority of people in a state choose? Can Salt Lake County secede from Utah and be an independent state, who wants to stay loyal to Union for example? Also I am curious, if Utah secede how will the Utah citizens separated from remaining USA citizens, will everybody with state ID be part of the “Nation of Utah”? Also will foreigners who stay in Utah required to apply again for Utah visa? Anyway we live in an interesting period of history, at least more interesting compared with 90’s and first decade of 2000’s

  13. #13 by Richard Warnick on November 14, 2012 - 7:16 pm

    Um, no. I’m not sure that the potash mine is private land. I can’t find any evidence that it is.

  14. #14 by Larry Bergan on November 14, 2012 - 7:21 pm

    kerem:

    Can Salt Lake County secede from Utah and be an independent state

    That’s a very good question considering that Utah’s Governor is extending his passion of self governance to the county level.

  15. #15 by Richard Warnick on November 14, 2012 - 7:33 pm

    Was that a serious question? OK. Here’s the answer: no. Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869).

  16. #16 by Larry Bergan on November 14, 2012 - 8:06 pm

    Is what a serious question?

    #13, or #14?

    To be honest; why would I care what the Supremes said in 1869, knowing they made a ridiculous decision in 2000 with Bush vs Gore.

    Maybe we’re becoming less civilized as time goes by. I have no idea. I have to work.

    Kerry won Salt Lake County in 2004, and Obama won Salt Lake County in 2008. I don’t think the fix is in for 2012 yet and the “official” web site has a disclaimer as of today.

    It says:

    These results are preliminary and are posted on the web as a convenience to the public.

    There are many steps involved in counting and auditing election results from Utah’s 29 counties. This means that these results will be checked for accuracy and completeness before results are made final.

    The preliminary results displayed on this web site are not final results. Most counties do not count all of the votes election night. There are a few precincts with a small number of votes which are cast by mail. Absentee ballots postmarked on time and received after the election are not included in the election night results but are included later. Thousands of voters also cast provisional ballots on election day which must be checked during the two-week counting period following the election. These ballots are not counted until several days after the election.

    I hope somebody is counting all of the mail-in, provisional, paper and absentee ballots to see if they coincide with the machines. I only want to know the truth.

  17. #17 by Bob West on November 14, 2012 - 8:08 pm

    How do I sign the petition for Utah to secede?

  18. #18 by cav on November 14, 2012 - 8:10 pm

    Karem. Welcome. There are among us a small number of folks who became overly riled-up by all of the lying that finally culminated with the rejection dis-functional policy proposals directed at the easily frightened. In their stark realization that democracy did in fact still have at least a little weight in these parts, but while still buying the lies promoted by their leadership, they once again bought into the latest sparkly meme – that of shock! Shock that the numbers went against them. Shock that their leaders could not read the charts. Shock that they had in fact been taken for a ride. Now, how were they to respond? Certainly there would be allowed NO time for soul searching – so they were left but one option, their continuing disparagement of the democratic process en toto, with direction provided by the Masters of the Universe (the very wealthy).

    Regarding the notion of secession, as it relates to the fact that when we had our revolution from the Brits, our forefathers didn’t let the ‘Crown’ maintain possession of that which it considered its own. What we had then was a war of independence and while the Brits may have essentially been booted from the land, the notion that today, the slim portion of any particular ‘Red’ state who actually support this nonsense, and who, against very long odds and a history of democratic rule, were somehow able to see it through to fruition, they wouldn’t have much in the way of spoils – as compared to the ‘Blue’ state control of, to name but a single tangible: Beaches, And, would thereby be all the greater loser. They just haven’t seen that yet. But they will.

    So, when the odd-balls promoting “Red’ state secession come face to face with those in ‘Blue’ states who themselves feel like seceding from the idiots who self-righteously promote the fallacious ‘rape victim bodies have a special way of stopping pregnancies’, and such. there will be no place to turn but to the mirror – guilt and a dim sense they f*cked up will face them.

    In closing…and again…NahGunnaHapn

  19. #19 by cav on November 14, 2012 - 8:38 pm

    So, what if Texas has already seceded?

    Would the five states of Texas all be ‘Red’? What about whatever state wherein Austin is located? Would Texas then work the gerrymandering so as to neuter any and all liberalism?

  20. #20 by Larry Bergan on November 14, 2012 - 8:50 pm

    What’s goin’ on with that Tom Delay guy. If justice moves this slow in Texas, I’m doubtin’ any secession is eminent. What ya’ think?

  21. #21 by Richard Warnick on November 14, 2012 - 10:03 pm

    Bob West :

    How do I sign the petition for Utah to secede?

    There is a link in the post above. Click on it, then register with whitehouse.gov to sign the petition.

  22. #22 by hanbinks on November 28, 2012 - 11:55 am

    But is it really constitutional? I’m in a group that helps us understand the constitution. So far I have learned that if you forget the past it will be repeated in the future. I maybe only 13 but I know between right or wrong, and secession is wrong.

  23. #23 by Richard Warnick on November 28, 2012 - 1:02 pm

    Yeah, I believe we fought a major war over that exact same issue 150 years ago. Also, check out the U.S. Supreme Court decision Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869).

  24. #24 by Patryk on December 1, 2012 - 9:40 pm

    I fully support secession of much of the Western US — from Texas up to North Dakota and including Utah and Idaho. We have out-grown Washington DC’s reach and we have a right to develope our economies and regions as we see fit. That was why the original 13 colonies broke away from England in 1776 and why around 15 states ought to break away from Washington DC now. I am going to work to make this a reality.

  25. #25 by Shane Smith on December 2, 2012 - 9:52 am

    I also fully support secession of the “red states” since all the economic data suggests those states are the takers and the blue states are the makers. I recommend they leave asap…

    …in 8 to 12 years when they are all third world nations they can be annexed again. After the Randites are all dead. Unnatural evolution.

  26. #26 by Richard's Fact Checker on December 2, 2012 - 12:17 pm

  27. #27 by Kerem Cantekin on December 2, 2012 - 1:09 pm

    Well actually in the book I read on American history, it is written that the reason why 13 colonies break away was the fact that they were taxed without representation. I think Utah unlike is represented in USA House of Representatives and the Senate. Also according to the book I read, continental congress has worked hard to get an agreement with London and stay as a part of England. If the Western States would do a similar effort what would they want in order to remain in the Union? Will they offer that all policies in Washington to be designed according to the will of Republican Party? That is actually most important thing, is democracy more important, or is it more important to have a state as you like it. And then we are left with most critical problem, being the strongest supporter of Republican Party Utah still have 25% of Democrat vote, what will Utah do with its democrats it it secedes?

  28. #28 by Richard Warnick on December 4, 2012 - 8:56 am

    UPDATE: Twenty five percent of registered Republicans want their state to secede from the United States, according to a new poll from Public Policy Polling.

  29. #29 by cav on December 4, 2012 - 9:55 am

    Let’s see .47 x .25 = 12%

    I’m ok with this if they promise to take Sheldon Adelson, Orrin Hatch, Donald Trump and the rest of their misguided ‘brain’-trust with them.

    Bye-bye, and good riddance.

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