Right-Wing Parents Dilemma: Arm Your Kids Or Bullet-Proof Them?

Since right-wingers consider the Second Amendment more sacred than any religious belief you can imagine, they won’t consider making schools safer by keep guns out or banning assault weapons.

What to do? One enterprising Utah family sent their sixth-grader to school today armed with a handgun. Unfortunately he pointed the gun at the head of another student, and has been charged with aggravated assault.

“He pulled out a gun and he put it to my head — me and my friend — (and) said he was going to kill us,” Isabelle Rios told KSL. “I told him I was going to tell, but he said, ‘If you tell, I’m going to kill you.'”

Other parents are rushing to buy body armor for their kids. Amendment II, a Salt Lake City-based company that manufactures lightweight body armor, makes a line of bullet-proof backpacks for children. The president of the company, Derek Williams, told Mother Jones that his post-massacre business is booming.

“I can’t go into exact sales numbers, but basically we tripled our sales volume of backpacks that we typically do in a month—in one week,” Williams says.

This was an attempt at a somewhat light-hearted post. But make no mistake, the Connecticut mass shooting will have major repercussions. Cerberus Capital Management, the holding company that owns the manufacturer of Bushmaster assault rifles, is putting the company up for sale.

In a statement, Cerberus calls Friday’s school shooting rampage “a watershed event that has raised the national debate on gun control to an unprecedented level.”

  1. #1 by Larry Bergan on December 18, 2012 - 10:05 pm

    I got my early education in the Granite School District. We used to play in the sand with tonka trucks at recess and on summer vacation, they would provide us with all the free manila paper and boondoggle we wanted. We made things and dreamed.

    Wasn’t really that long ago. What happened?

  2. #2 by Larry Bergan on December 18, 2012 - 10:14 pm

    It wasn’t all peaches and cream, of course. There was some bullying and I got my front tooth knocked out during a prank. Had to wear a gold cap until I was 18, but we sure as hell didn’t have bullet proof attire.

  3. #3 by cav on December 18, 2012 - 11:34 pm

  4. #4 by Mike Murphy on December 19, 2012 - 1:20 am

    Richard: Your first sentence is complete nonsense. You really expect anyone to go along with your straw man accusation that “right-wingers consider the Second Amendment more sacred than any religious belief”? How deluded can you possibly be? Do you even attend worship services on a regular basis? Given that comment I doubt it. The second half of your initial sentence is almost as delusional. To think “right-wingers.. won’t consider making schools safer by keep[ing] guns out”. Really? And how do you propose keeping guns out, posting “Gun-free zone” signs. That’s effective. Are you really so naive as to think banning ‘assault weapons’ will keep school safe?

    The exact number of legally owned firearms falling under the general assault weapons definition in the U.S. is unknown. Estimates range from four million to 10 million. Either way, that number is a small fraction of the 230 million firearms legally owned in the United States. The weapon used in the heinous atrocity last Friday wasn’t owned by the perpetrator of the crime. How would banning of these particular weapons have prevented this crime? It’s ironic that the owner’s (perps own mother) lack of responsibility in properly storing her firearms led to her murder.

    Research by noted firearms researcher David B. Kopel shortly before the AWB was implemented in 1994 revealed that assault weapons were used in less than one percent of gun crime in the U.S.

    Shortly after the law was allowed to sunset in 2004, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a study of the AWB, in which it found “insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness” of the law for reducing crime rates. Why would any sensible adult think that reinstatement of this ‘feel-good-but-useless’ legislation achieve its desired effect of reducing violent crime? Must we restate the definition of insanity?

    Are we not intelligent enough to perform some root-cause analysis or is that too much to ask in this fast-food society?

  5. #5 by Richard Warnick on December 19, 2012 - 4:40 pm

    There’s this commandment that says “Thou shalt not kill.” But for gun rights fanatics their hobby takes priority.

    From what you say, banning assault rifles ought to be no big deal. Let’s do it. These weapons have no legitimate use, anyway.

    I have a proposal. The gun business externalizes their costs on society, and keeps the profits (an estimated $993 million a year on sales of $11.7 billion).

    According to the CDC, firearms-related deaths and injuries cost over $40 billion a year. Americans purchased 10.8 million guns last year. Why not apply a federal excise tax of $3,703 per gun sold to help pay the cost of Americans who get killed and wounded?

  6. #6 by Larry Bergan on December 19, 2012 - 9:57 pm

    Why not apply a federal excise tax of $3,703 per gun sold to help pay the cost of Americans who get killed and wounded

    That’s funny Richard!

    In the same vein, one of the funniest jokes ever, (starting at 1:00 in):

  7. #7 by Larry Bergan on December 19, 2012 - 10:07 pm

    Actually, this is probably a pretty good time to roll out bullet proof vests for children in time for Christmas, because by the time summer rolls around, those things are going to get fairly uncomfortable and the luster may roll off.

    Are we actually talking about this? Are parents actually buying these things for their children or are the folks with ALL the money buying them like they buy Ann Colter and Sean Hannity books in bulk, to put them on the best seller list.

    Just askin’

  8. #8 by Richard Warnick on December 20, 2012 - 9:17 pm

    Anyone who thinks that a semi-automatic assault rifle is different from a military automatic weapon needs to watch this YouTube video.

    Bushmaster M4A1 AR-15 (rubberband trick)

  9. #9 by Waz on December 21, 2012 - 4:53 am

    Good to know

  10. #10 by cav on December 21, 2012 - 9:37 am

    Gun Violence costs the US $174 Billion in 2010.

    The bean-counters see this all as just a slice of the GDP.

  11. #11 by rmwarnick on December 21, 2012 - 9:49 am

    Surprise! The NRA’s Wayne LaPierre claims that the antidote to the rise in mass shooting is… more guns.

  12. #12 by cav on December 21, 2012 - 3:30 pm

    At what point does one realize that the NRA leadership is filled with nuts? No need for the ‘gun’ prefix.

  13. #13 by Waz on December 21, 2012 - 6:24 pm

    That’s about the pot calling the kettle black for as nuts as you seem to be cav

  14. #14 by Mike Murphy on December 21, 2012 - 10:11 pm

    Richard: Judging from your comments it appears you’ve lost all common sense. Have you even read the bible? ALL the way through? Apparently not. Answer me this: were the Israelites ever commanded to kill? If so, by whom? Don’t think to quote scripture to bolster a case against self defense and at times righteous offense.

    Are you a gunsmith now Richard? Please stop making an ass of yourself. Have you ever even fired a fully automatic weapon or is YouTube the extent of your knowledge? Your ignorance is so blatant it’s pathetic. Again, I’m laughing at the self-described firearms expertise purported to exist within the author base on this forum.

  15. #15 by Ronald D. Hunt on December 22, 2012 - 1:20 am

    Bible? a bunch of made up fairy tales, Any reasonable person would know that the Flying Spagetti monster created the universe, in an act of unintelligent design, FSM claims to have been drunk when he created the universe.


    Really amazing how many people have fallen for that useless trite written by Romans in 600AD for political purposes.

    I will Quote the mighty FSM for you in hopes that a better understanding can be made,

    “I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thou shalt have no other monsters before Me. (Afterwards is OK; just use protection.) The only Monster who deserves capitalization is Me! Other monsters are false monsters, undeserving of capitalization.” — Suggestions 1:1


    No surprise, the RW solution is nearly ALWAYS escalation, and/or retaliation. And the NRA is an industry lobby group, of course they would suggest the product they are selling can cure all ills, I am surprised they are not claiming guns can cure cancer, and diabetes.

    The NRA waited to respond so long as to allow the silence to cause fears about gun control so as to sell more Bushmaster rifles, it worked sales are way way up.

  16. #16 by Mike Murphy on December 22, 2012 - 9:47 am

    Ronald: Let me get this straight- In your mind a cartoon character created the universe and is to be revered as god? Here I thought we could have an intelligent debate but every attempt I make to engage in such a debate I encounter blatant nonsense rather than a defense of an informed position. Is this the best the modern liberals have to offer in the way of argument?

    FYI: The Roman empire fell over 100 years before you claim they wrote the bible. Your excuse to discount said document is based on an ignorant lie.

    The reason firearms are flying off the shelves IS NOT due to anything the NRA has said or not said. It’s what your commander in chief Barack has said regarding his active support of a new “Assault Weapons” Ban and ending ALL private firearms sales by requiring a “background check” government permission slip. Thanks to numerous similar statements from sycophants Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and Hillary’s ongoing unconstitutional UN Small Arms Treaty (ban) is it any wonder my collection of firearms has gone up over six times in value in the past six months? Firearms manufacturers will likely be sending Obama a Christmas card thanking him for stellar sales numbers.

  17. #17 by Richard Warnick on December 22, 2012 - 10:46 am


    I took theology at Georgetown University, so yes I’m familiar with the Bible. Short answer: God did not command genocide – the Old Testament contains errors. See also:

    Deuteronomy 32:35
    Romans 12:19
    Hebrews 10:30

    Based on what I’ve told you, you already know that I have fired a number of automatic weapons. M-16 and AK-47 assault rifles, M-3 submachine gun, M-60 machine gun, M73A1/M219 coaxial machine guns, M-2 .50 caliber, and M-85 .50 caliber to be specific.

    And if you are correct about your experience, you know how easy it is to convert a “semi-auto” assault rifle to full automatic.

  18. #18 by cav on December 22, 2012 - 10:52 am

    Waz Up? (is now down!) A little something for the overly intelligent.


  19. #19 by Mike Murphy on December 22, 2012 - 2:19 pm

    Richard Warnick :
    I took theology at Georgetown University, so yes I’m familiar with the Bible. Short answer: God did not command genocide – the Old Testament contains errors. See also:
    Deuteronomy 32:35
    Romans 12:19
    Hebrews 10:30

    And if you are correct about your experience, you know how easy it is to convert a “semi-auto” assault rifle to full automatic.

    You are correct. In most instances conversion from semi to full auto is not overly difficult. However, having experience with fully automatic weapons and perhaps some training in CQB, which firing mode is most effective/accurate? Muzzle rise prevents most rounds from hitting the target and untrained perpetrators lack the experience to deal with this. Automatic weapons also tend to waste ammunition, thus necessitating frequent reloads. There are laws enough on the books limiting ownership of fully automatic weapons and besides, those are not the weapons types used in the vast majority of violent crimes.

    Glad you edited your original post #17 though I’m wondering how you’d recommend translating the scriptures you’ve quoted:

    Deut 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

    Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

    Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    God typically uses the wicked to punish the wicked but in many cases the righteous are strengthened and directed to carry out offensive action. How would you interpret Deuteronomy 3:3 and 6 wherein God enables the Israelites to commit genocide upon various peoples in the promised land? More misinterpretations I suppose?

    3 So the Lord our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

    6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

    These are but a few examples. There are more in the New Testament and modern revelation but the above should suffice as evidence contradicting your statement “God did not command genocide”. You see, a secular education several decades past is no substitute for daily study and reflection.

  20. #20 by cav on December 22, 2012 - 3:32 pm

    Give us this day our daily Kool Aid.
    I swear, it’s the only way these turkeys are able to see their frame of reference as sane.

  21. #21 by cav on December 22, 2012 - 3:43 pm

    BTW, Ft. Hood was a military base and they could not stop a shooter. Really – not for lack of guns.

    The really sane among us are calling for armed first graders at every gate.

  22. #22 by Mike Murphy on December 22, 2012 - 4:45 pm

    cav :
    BTW, Ft. Hood was a military base and they could not stop a shooter. Really – not for lack of guns.
    The really sane among us are calling for armed first graders at every gate.

    cav- Have you even been stationed on a military base? I have, at many, to include Ft. Hood. There are buildings called armories where all the small arms are locked up. The ammunition is typically stored miles away in a bunker complex. Myself and others were strongly discouraged from carrying personal weapons while in uniform. This created the perfect environment for Nidal Hasan to perpetrate mass murder.

    Who “among us are calling for armed first graders”? That is an insane proposition.

    Again, you show your ass.

  23. #23 by Larry Bergan on December 22, 2012 - 7:13 pm


    Was the assault weapons ban that ended in 2006 THAT bad? I don’t remember the world coming to an end.

  24. #24 by cav on December 22, 2012 - 8:16 pm

    “Again, you show your ass.”

    Mike it’s called ‘mockish mooning’. (Though, I’ll admit, my ass isn’t what it used to be!)

    It does my heart good (it really does) to see someone so intent on keeping the cross in Xmas.

  25. #25 by Ronald D. Hunt on December 22, 2012 - 9:08 pm


    I was off on the year a bit, it was 300AD!, none the less point stands!

    “In your mind a cartoon character created the universe and is to be revered as god?”

    FSM is no less valid an explanation for creation of the universe then any other explanation except maybe for those ones supported with scientific observation. And our Heaven has a beer volcano, way better then your boring Christan heaven.

    May ye yet be touched by the FSM’s noodly tendrils!

  26. #26 by cav on December 22, 2012 - 9:37 pm

    Ronald, before your interest in Pastafarianism becomes too dogmatic, look here:


  27. #27 by Richard Warnick on December 22, 2012 - 9:45 pm

    The common phrase is, “Vengeance is mine, saith The Lord.” Which means, Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek, and don’t worry about the bad guys because God will handle them eventually.

  28. #28 by cav on December 22, 2012 - 9:58 pm

    That’s how I always read it.

  29. #29 by Larry Bergan on December 22, 2012 - 10:45 pm

    While we’re on the subject of Southpark and made-in-Utah-bullet-proof nonsense, I couldn’t resist exposing locals to this brilliant parody:

    Funny, Huh?

    Please, release a DVD of the entire play! I can’t afford Broadway.

  30. #30 by Larry Bergan on December 22, 2012 - 11:03 pm

    The Southpark creators make fun of liberals too, but Michael Moore interviewed them in his movie, and let them say what they wanted to.

    Like I said, local channel 2.2 was going to show Bowling For Columbine in the middle of the night to cast some much needed light on the state of violence in America, and it got canceled.

    Watch the entire movie here:

  31. #31 by cav on December 24, 2012 - 10:12 am

    With all this talk of limiting end of life Medicare expenses, you’d think GHWB, who has the money, would stay at home instead of a month and counting at the hospital.

  32. #32 by Lyman Hall on December 24, 2012 - 10:18 am

    They need to change the sign to read Esquela Primaria de Oeste Kearns.

  33. #33 by Mike Murphy on December 27, 2012 - 5:14 pm

    Ronald D. Hunt :
    I was off on the year a bit, it was 300AD!, none the less point stands!
    “In your mind a cartoon character created the universe and is to be revered as god?”
    FSM is no less valid an explanation for creation of the universe then any other explanation except maybe for those ones supported with scientific observation. frameborder=”0″ height=”368″ width=”600″>

    Nice to see your intelligent enough to perform a Wiki search. Too bad it was AFTER you posted your nonsensical comment which by no means proves your idiotic points regarding a fictional cartoon character.

    If you find it more comfortable to assume your existence is explained by Darwin’s famous and unproven THEORY that’s certainly your right, but you are in error. Darwin had a bone to pick with religion and sought to prove his hypothesis through cherry-picking random observations in nature. To think one may observe environmentally induced mutations in various species then transfer those observations to all species to include human beings is not science but madness. There simply is no evidence of any type directly linking humans with animals. Attempts have repeatedly been made to do so and all have been shot through with holes. Have you ever thought: If man evolved from apes then why are there still apes in existence today? Why did they not evolve into humans also? Darwin was continually confounded when it was pointed out by contemporary scientists that the human brain is many times larger, in proportion to the entire human body, than the brain/body proportion in animals. He and modern science has yet to explain why such a large portion of the human brain remains relatively dormant. This being the case, would not ‘evolution’ have reduced the size of an organ which needn’t be of such unnecessary proportions? This is but one of many problems with the foolish theory of evolution when some try to apply it to human beings.

    The same goes for the false notion that cosmic rays caused certain ‘mutations’ in molecules, thereby creating life on Earth. Try another Wiki search regarding the likelihood that such an event could occur with the outcome being the Earth in its present state. “The odds are one in the number of atoms in the universe” as one Nobel laureate scientist observed that such a mutation could take place. Imagine all the factors necessary to create and sustain life on Earth, all the spontaneous changes necessary for this to occur. The odds that chaos created such a system is completely idiotic. Those advancing such a false notion have failed to think the matter through; entrenched vs. liberal thinking. Indeed, modern liberals and their atheistic ideals are hypocrites to the core with notions unsupported by their hyped ‘science’. Truly, the wisdom of man is foolishness to God.

    “O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.”

  34. #34 by Ronald D. Hunt on December 28, 2012 - 2:45 am

    lol, his theory is well supported, but the whole point of a theory is that it is falsifiable. There is no such thing as a absolutely proven theory, all theories are merely an idea of how something works given scientific tests and observations of the physical universe that support the conclusion that the theory puts forth.

    This is the problem people like you don’t seem to understand. The notion of “god”, or any “religion” for that matter depend on an absolute faith in something with no proof, reason, of conceptual support given observation of the universe.

    You dilute the quality of your faith by trying to imagine support for it beyond that of what it is. No different then the intelligent design fools, who in their idiotic attempt to teach religion in public schools would lower god to that of a scientific theory; the very idea of god being the construct of a falsifiable theory…., insulting both the concepts of science and god at the same time.

    You have driven yourself into such a corner that it would not be reasonable for either men of god or men of science to take anything you say seriously.

  35. #35 by Cliff Lyon on December 28, 2012 - 7:25 am

    Wow Mike, just Wow!

    Sounds like someone challenged your faith.

    Here’s some advice:

    Since faith is the antithesis of reason, you should avoid trying to use “reason” to PROVE your character exists.

    DO NOT make the mistake of trying to demonstrate the ‘strength” of your testimony outside your Church. This is a problem unique to the LDS Church.

    And, it is a mistake.

  36. #36 by Mike Murphy on December 28, 2012 - 10:39 am

    Ronald: The theory is well supported in various instances in the animal kingdom, not human beings. Self describe intellectuals for some odd reason exercise faith that this theory accounts for more than can be scientifically proven. Their faith is misplaced in this regard.

    Faith begins as a seed. If planted in fertile soil it grows into a perfect knowledge. If the seed falls on thorny ground the seed fails to take root and dies. This should sound familiar to those familiar with Christ’s teachings in the New Testament. Some things I believe on faith, others because having exercised faith and thereby gained insight and wisdom I’ve attained knowledge.

    There is a plethora of support for faith if only one knows where to look and is diligent in ones learning. Faith is a verb and therefore implies action. Without action (works) faith is dead. How does this “dilute the quality of” my faith? Rather, it completes it. How is it I’ve “driven myself into a corner”? I choose not to be deluded by the philosophies of men, the opposite of being trapped by foolish traditions and theories.

    Cliff: Is that really the most intelligent response you’re capable of, “Wow”? You sound like a teenager attempting to be hip rather than some self described intellectual. How is it you feel my faith has been challenged? I’m amused by those who feel their lack of faith makes them more intelligent than those who exercise faith.

    Faith and reason, where have I heard that before? St. Augustine perhaps? This man attempted to make the gospel conform to the philosophies of men, thereby denying anything irrational or spiritual. By his time the primitive church (that instituted during Christ’s mortal ministry) had been perverted and diluted to the point of near total apostasy. Further Hellenization of Christianity by a school-man such as Augustine was the nail in the coffin of the true gospel and ushered in the dark ages.

    To think faith must rely on the foolish understanding of men to be reasonable is ignorant. I would have though a self-described intellectual would be better informed as to the beliefs of the predominant religious institution in ones community. “DO NOT make the mistake of trying to demonstrate the ‘strength” of your testimony outside your Church”? The “strength” of my testimony has nothing to do with the venue nor your perception. Proclaiming the gospel is a duty for all members of Christ’s church. If you find this aspect of Christ’s church not politically correct and therefore offensive that is unfortunate. I’d invite you to either relocate to an area more ‘progressive’ or learn to live with it.

  37. #37 by Richard Warnick on December 28, 2012 - 11:20 am

    In the context of this post, I suppose the question is whether the gun-worshippers’ faith in firearms is justified. There has been a phenomenal rush to buy Bushmasters, the mass-murderer weapon of choice, and large-capacity magazines. It’s not logic, as these assault rifles have no legal use. Must be faith-based.

  38. #38 by Mike Murphy on December 28, 2012 - 12:00 pm

    “whether the gun-worshippers’ faith in firearms is justified. ” -Richard Warnick

    I don’t know of any “gun-worshippers”. I do know free men who own firearms and carry and use them responsibly to protect and serve: slaves don’t own guns. Firearms ensure freedom, the evidence is overwhelming. In a utopian society firearms would be unnecessary but presently our society is anything but utopian and we cannot blame that fact on a tool but rather the secularization of society.

    Arguments based on a cursory understanding of scripture (e.g. “Thou shalt not kill”) do little beyond expose a limited understanding of the gospel. Why would God require the Israelites to march around the walls of Jericho over and over? Why not just use His power to bring down the walls himself? Essentially, God helps those who help themselves, building faith into knowledge through men’s use of agency to act; He chooses to make up the difference when it suits His purposes, which we often do not understand given our limited perspective. A study of scripture and history yields example after example of similar incidents throughout the history of Israel and the restored church up to the present. Lacking an understanding of the core principles (e.g. “answers to the terrible questions”) of the gospel causes it to appear irrational. Possessing such an understanding causes the gospel to make perfect sense.

    “There has been a phenomenal rush to buy Bushmasters, the mass-murderer weapon of choice, and large-capacity magazines. It’s not logic, as these assault rifles have no legal use.” -Richard Warnick

    What percentage of murders are committed using AR-15 style firearms? Not nearly as many as those in which cheap shotguns and small caliber handguns are utilized. An assault weapons ban would accomplish little more than inconvenience law abiding and responsible citizens while doing nothing to decrease or even prevent violent crimes with such weapons. The problem is that people and especially politicians misplace their focus and therefore ask the wrong questions. Do we ban airplane because a small group of people choose to use them to commit murder? Do we ban automobiles because people drink and drive and kill others? Can we not see how the focus following Sandy Hook on firearms is completely misplaced? Asking the wrong questions will always lead to the wrong answers.

    People have to be more intelligent than to truly believe weapons bans will mitigate or reduce violent crime. Therefore I accuse such groups and individuals of attempting to advance communist principles, the accomplishment of which has been severely hampered by civilian firearms possession. Reducing and removing individual rights is a common element of the communist agenda.

    Do we really want to rely completely on the government and first responders to provide our sole defense against violent crime? Does anyone know the response time to Sandy Hook? 20 MINUTES! An eternity for a motivated criminal with any weapon. Besides, most police officers lack the proper training to respond to such an event. I know this because I’ve attended such training attended by officers on their off-duty time who didn’t received such training within their departments.

  39. #39 by Mike Murphy on December 28, 2012 - 12:17 pm

    To further my point that total reliance on government for personal security and lack of thorough training within law enforcement:


    The shooter was under arrest yet was able to obtain a firearm from a police officer in a police station and wound three officers before being shot himself. We cannot rely on government to accomplish what they cannot accomplish for themselves despite trillions in spending.

  40. #40 by Mike Murphy on December 28, 2012 - 12:22 pm

    Since when does anyone need a “reason” for owning something? I feel iPhone 5’s are unnecessary but that doesn’t mean others should be barred from owning them.

  41. #41 by Larry Bergan on December 28, 2012 - 7:28 pm

    Can’t we even talk about banning assault weapons today, without the NRA going nuts. Somebody who thinks they need an assault weapon isn’t a hunter or a sportsman, he’s a coward.

    They were banned from production for a while until 2005 and the world survived just fine. For all of the horror of the school shootings, they are still very rare. You can’t lock yourself in a room lined with plastic sheeting and duct tape, but our government told us to do that not too long ago. No wonder we’re all so confused.

    Hell, some adults nowdays have never known a life without Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Liddy, Savage and the rest. We’ve got to do something about what we’re being told. not buy more weapons.

  42. #42 by Richard Warnick on December 29, 2012 - 11:01 am

    What can a law-abiding citizen do with an assault rifle? The citizens of L.A. show the way.

    Police Chief Charlie Beck said it was the most successful gun buyback event since the city began the program.

    “Those are weapons of war, weapons of death,” Beck said, motioning to a selection of military-style weapons on a display table. “These are not hunting guns. These are not target guns. These are made to put high-velocity, extremely deadly, long-range rounds downrange as quickly as possible, and they have no place in our great city.”

  43. #43 by cav on December 29, 2012 - 1:39 pm

  44. #44 by Larry Bergan on December 29, 2012 - 4:05 pm


    That kid’s going to be pretty upset when he finds out his mom turned in his rocket launcher. 🙂

    That’s quite a picture.

  45. #45 by Larry Bergan on December 29, 2012 - 4:09 pm


    What a great song! I’ve only heard parts of it before.

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