Rodney Boyer’s Opinion on ObamaCare

Sometimes, I see a comment that makes me afraid for our country.

Rodney Boyer's Opinion

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on January 29, 2013 - 3:26 pm

    Did you know that Barack Obama said the same thing when he ran for President in 2008?

    He campaigned AGAINST the individual private health insurance mandate and FOR the public option, then signed a so-called “health care reform” law that delivered the opposite of what he promised.

    • #2 by brewski on May 3, 2013 - 10:13 pm

      Cliff must be really afraid for our country now.

  2. #3 by cav on January 29, 2013 - 3:47 pm

    It’s like forcing bank executives to grill peanut butter sandwiches.

    And eat them.

    My $.02.

  3. #4 by brewski on January 29, 2013 - 5:19 pm

    Richard, you are a racist for pointing our truths and facts. Cliff hates that. He might delete your posts.

  4. #5 by Cliff Lyon on January 29, 2013 - 5:50 pm

    Perhaps some context is in order. This Rodney character is hard core right-winger.

    The mandate was a capitulation (among others) to the GOP to get ObamaCare passed.

    Obama was correct to criticize the mandate. He made that comment before he was “forced” to make the Hobesian choice.

  5. #6 by Cliff Lyon on January 29, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Richard,

    Do you REALLY think “opposite” is a fair characterization of what Obama signed?

  6. #7 by brewski on January 29, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    Cliff,
    Explain to me the math of how the mandate was required to get Obamacare passed with the help of the GOP if exactly zero GOPers voted for it.

    It’s arithmetic.

  7. #8 by brewski on January 29, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    If Obama had run for president on a health reform mandate which resembled what was passed, he never would have gotten elected at all. Can you imagine running on a plan of leaving 30 million uninsured, mandating Jesuits to provide free contraception, increasing premiums, incentivizing employers to cut their number of employees and cut their hours? With a plan this bad you’d be dealing with Vice President Palin every day.

  8. #9 by Cliff Lyon on January 29, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    Brewski,

    I agree.

    Obama ran on HIS policy for health care reform and that is WHY he got elected.

    So you are probably right.

  9. #10 by Richard Warnick on January 29, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    Cliff–

    Maybe I ought to have asked, did Rodney realize he was paraphrasing candidate Obama?

    The private insurance mandate was a right-wing idea invented by the Heritage Foundation. Like all progressives, I hate it.

    I was willing to accept the mandate if the public option (i.e. Medicare buy-in) was included to provide a competitive alternative. Without it, we’re experiencing a corporate takeover of government (not a “government takeover of health care,” the talking point Frank Luntz wanted everyone to believe).

    When the Senate wasn’t allowed to vote on the House-passed public option, that’s where I parted company with the Obama administration on health care. A majority of senators had pledged to support the public option – at the very least, they ought to have been forced to face a roll call up-or-down vote.

    Glenn Greenwald was the first to suspect that President Obama secretly abandoned the public option. We now know the White House negotiated away the public option very early in the process (July, 2009).

    We were promised “universal health care,” whatever that might be. We didn’t get health care reform. We got a little bit of health insurance reform, with no cost controls at all and no federal regulation (enforcement is entirely in the hands of state governments).

  10. #11 by Cliff Lyon on January 29, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    I dont know if Rodney knew Obama had said it. If so, coming from him, it was the epitome of hypocrisy.

  11. #12 by brewski on January 29, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    “when an industry gets secret concessions out of the White House in return for a promise to lend the industry’s support to a key piece of legislation, we’re in big trouble. That’s called extortion.

    An industry is using its capacity to threaten or prevent legislation as a means of altering that legislation for its own benefit. And it’s doing so at the highest reaches of our government, in the office of the president.

    When the industry support comes with an industry-sponsored ad campaign in favor of that legislation, the threat to democracy is even greater. Citizens end up paying for advertisements designed to persuade them that the legislation is in their interest. In this case, those payments come in the form of drug prices that will be higher than otherwise, stretching years into the future.

    I don’t want to be puritanical about all this. Politics is a rough game in which means and ends often get mixed and melded. Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that’s the case, our democracy is in terrible shape.

    How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation? When will it become standard practice that such deals come with hundreds of millions of dollars of industry-sponsored TV advertising designed to persuade the public that the legislation is in the public’s interest?

    (Any Democrats and progressives who might be reading this should ask themselves how they’ll feel when a Republican White House cuts such deals to advance its own legislative priorities.)

    We’re on a precarious road — and wherever it leads, it’s not toward democracy.”

    Robert Reich (D)
    Clinton Administration – Secretary of Labor
    UC Berkeley professor

  12. #13 by Larry Bergan on January 29, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    Rodney S Boyer must know that we’ve been forced to have CAR insurance for ever since I can remember. I’m not sure how car accidents were handled before they changed the law.

    I do think the Obama law is overly complex, or intentionally vague, but all bills are these days.

    I don’t think anybody can stand up to Big Pharma, but it’s obviously one of the main reasons health care is so out of control.

    Robert Reich always makes a lot of sense.

  13. #14 by brewski on January 30, 2013 - 8:27 am

    Larry, not everyone is required to have car insurance. There are tens of millions of people who are not. If you don’t have a car, which is true for lots of people, then you don’t need insurance. Having a car is not an inalienable right. Living is an inalienable right.

  14. #15 by brewski on January 30, 2013 - 8:31 am

    I looked it up. According to the State Department, 5% of households have no car. That also leaves open the group of people who live in households with a car, but they do not drive at all themselves.

  15. #16 by Larry Bergan on January 30, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    Well I guess I could give up my car, but then I’d have to ride the bus system which probably costs just as much and doesn’t get you to work every day or time you’re required to be there.

  16. #17 by brewski on January 30, 2013 - 3:14 pm

    The Senior Monthly Pass is good for unlimited travel on local buses and TRAX for one calendar month. This fare applies to passengers ages 65 and older or those who are valid Medicare card holders. For information on qualifying for a reduced fare, contact (801) RIDE-UTA. $39.25 per month.

  17. #18 by brewski on January 31, 2013 - 9:58 am

    Larry, also, to follow up on the issue about where to go other than the emergency room for low lost health care. Please try this place:
    72nd Street Clinic
    220 West 7200 South, Suite A
    Midvale, UT 84047-1043
    (801) 566-5494

  18. #19 by Larry Bergan on January 31, 2013 - 7:53 pm

    Maybe I’ll call and ask how much they charge for a strep throat test. St. Marks charges $600, Smith’s Food King charges $10. Found out the hard way, but I’ve already been through that here.

  19. #20 by brewski on January 31, 2013 - 9:25 pm

    Smith’s is hard to beat, but probably won’t include a visit with a doctor. The clinics especially for people without insurance are a great service.

  20. #21 by brewski on May 3, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    Kaiser Family Foundation’s April tracking poll, only 35% of respondents view the PPACA favorably. That marks the second-lowest reading since the Kaiser Family Foundation began keeping a record of popular opinions on Obamacare in April 2010.

  21. #22 by cav on May 4, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    brewski.

    Have you any opinion, or would you care to dissemble this:

    Never noted is that under Obama, the Fed has been exchanging high interest notes for cheaper low interest ones. this saves billions per year in interest payments.

    • #23 by brewski on May 4, 2013 - 7:27 pm

      That is a factual statement so I don’t see what one could have an opinion on. Yes, the interest expense of the US government is much lower due to the Fed’s printing money. So if interest rates were “normal” then the interest expense and the deficits would be much much higher.

  22. #24 by cav on May 4, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    ‘If the Federal Reserve had allowed Obama to print up a debt-free trillion dollar coin, that would have set a very dangerous precedent for the Fed. The American people would have realized that the federal government can actually create debt-free money whenever it wants and that it does not actually have to borrow money from anyone. “

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-federal-reserve-shows-barack-obama-who-the-real-boss-is

    • #25 by brewski on May 4, 2013 - 10:56 pm

      Somewhat of a nonsensical quote.

    • #26 by cav on May 4, 2013 - 11:49 pm

      “When the Federal Reserve system was initially created back in 1913, the bankers that created it intended for it to be a perpetual debt machine that would extract massive amounts of wealth from the U.S. government (and ultimately from all of us) through the mechanism of compound interest. Each year, hundreds of billions of dollars of interest are transferred into the pockets of the wealthy bankers and foreign nations that own our debt.”

      Ibid

      In many important ways, the U. S. Government seems to be nothing more than a subsidiary of the massive Federal Reserve Banking Axis.

  23. #27 by brewski on May 5, 2013 - 9:59 am

    Easy way to solve that. Stop borrowing.

  24. #28 by cav on May 5, 2013 - 4:39 pm

    If the borrowing is to cover the billions of dollars of interest that are transferred into the pockets of the wealthy bankers and foreign nations, the creation of more money, just a few trillion dollar coins, and a reassessment of Too Big To Fail, might be just as effective.

    If I’m not mistaken, it was in part the enactment of austerity measures against the losers of WWI that fomented both the Great Depression, and WWII.

    Far be it for our present leadership to think to learn anything from those painful, costly occurrences.

    • #29 by brewski on May 5, 2013 - 10:21 pm

      The punitive reparations on Germany were definitely a factor in causing WWII. However, it is one thing to pay millions to other countries than to borrow to spend on yourself.

      The trillion dollar coin wouldn’t have changed anything. Borrowing is borrowing and printing money is printing money. There is no pixie dust to this.

  25. #30 by cav on May 5, 2013 - 10:49 pm

    The only thing that would have changed would have been the opening of the eyes of Americans. Who says the Fed, a consortium of bankers, are honest brokers? Not buying.

    The very first dollar bill was printed, so you’re right, pixie dust’s got nothing to do with it.

  26. #31 by cav on May 6, 2013 - 10:20 am

    The first time it became clear that Wal Mart employees were having to use government services to get by, not only should the minimum wage have been raised, we should have instituted real mechanisms for both the federal and local governments to recoup that money from employers who consistently underpay their employees. IOW, X percentage of your employees are on medicaid or food stamps and you get investigated. If your wages and/or scheduling is costing the government money, you will reimburse them for it AND pay a fine.

    We needed to nip that one in the bud very early on.

    • #32 by brewski on May 6, 2013 - 9:03 pm

      IHC employees have no insurance and get their health care from taxpayers.

      It isn’t all Wal Mart.

  27. #33 by cav on May 6, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    I guess the penalties for underpaying employees could also include IHC, subsidies for oil companies…across the board.

    Pay a decent wage or suffer the consequences.

  28. #34 by brewski on May 7, 2013 - 4:49 am

    The way to get them to pay a decent wage is to change the supply and demand factors.

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