The Ronald Reagan Post Office sent me this…

One of the things my conservative friends and relatives like to point to as a failure of government is the post office. It may be their favorite non-sequitur. The conversations going something like this:

“…so I don’t understand why they have to keep tax breaks for inheritance and call it a farm protection measure. Almost no family farm ever in the history of the country has to pay any substantial tax in that way. And then they call it a death tax! These people are so Orwellian that it..”

“you know what is a great example of government failure? The post office!”

“That has nothing to do with…”

“I mean can they just break even? Pathetic!”

“Look, they provide a service that…”

“That is how governments run companies for ya!”

It makes for great conversation.

Reality though is not allowed to intrude. If you point out that the postal service has to, by congressional jackassery, fund pensions for people that it hasn’t yet hired, well they don’t care. Quick, name the private company that can do that and break even.

We will wait.

And that is a great example of a self fullfilling prophecy. Elect people that are religiously convinced that government is always a problem, and then be amazed when they create a failure of government. It’s like magic. But Thinkprogress has a great point to add to the story. Even while failing to let the post office make money, because, you know, religious zeal to show all government agencies are failures, they manage to spend their time renaming post offices.

The point where uttering the words “I am a conservative…” should have gotten laughed out of any serious conversation, if not tarred and feathered, was decades ago. Why do we let this go on?

  1. #1 by cav on January 5, 2013 - 8:25 pm

    May Ronald Reagan’s zip-code rot in Hell.

  2. #2 by Lyman Hall on January 5, 2013 - 8:53 pm

    Shane,
    Was this an intentional lie or just your ignorance on the matter:
    “Almost no family farm ever in the history of the country has to pay any substantial tax in that way.”

    The CBO says you are wrong:
    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/65xx/doc6512/07-06-estatetax.pdf

  3. #3 by Lyman Hall on January 5, 2013 - 9:44 pm

    “If you point out that the postal service has to, by congressional jackassery, fund pensions for people that it hasn’t yet hired,”
    False.

    “Quick, name the private company that can do that and break even.”
    FPL Group
    General Mills
    MeadWestvaco Corp.
    Prudential Financial
    Alcatel-Lucent

  4. #4 by Richard Warnick on January 5, 2013 - 10:36 pm

    The 112th Congress had fewer accomplishments than any session since they started keeping track. Take away post office naming, and they would have passed hardly any legislation at all.

  5. #5 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 2:00 am

    I always wanted to be a postman.

    Walking, and getting exercise on the job, while getting people letters they wanted, seemed like the perfect thing to me.

    Now that all of our E-Mails are going to be compiled by a massive facility in Utah which I detest…

    Perhaps the mailman or the pony express, delivering sealed envelopes may become a viable alternative to secret Surveillance.

    Think?

  6. #6 by Lyman Hall on January 6, 2013 - 2:08 am

    Since when was passing laws an “accomplishment”? Congress could have the greatest accomplishment if they did nothing at all.

  7. #7 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 2:16 am

    Every time I open my mailbox thesedays I have to bend down and pick up some goddamned flier I don’t want, telling me to buy something i can’t afford which fell out of a massive advertising pamphlet which I throw in the garbage.

    Is anybody else experiencing this?

  8. #8 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 2:22 am

    Lyman?

  9. #9 by Lyman Hall on January 6, 2013 - 2:25 am

    I don’t read them so I don’t know what they are selling.

  10. #10 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 2:44 am

    So we have something in common, because we don’t understand what coupons afford us?

  11. #11 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 9:03 am

    People should start sending – hand written – letters, through the mail to their friends.

    There’s no way they can open all of them without being noticed, and it will create many jobs for mail carriers!

    I’m a job-creator!

    PLUS: It’s a felony to open somebody’s mail.

    It only has to say: I love you.

  12. #12 by Shane on January 6, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Hey Lyman, you sexist sack of shit, to quote The American Conservative:

    “Drastic cost-cutting measures like closures are not signs of a dying, obsolete agency fighting to overcome deficits related to poor business. Rather, they represent a response to a 2006 congressional mandate that the USPS had to prefund retirees’ benefits for 75 years – and do it all within the next 10 years, at a rate of $5.5 billion a year.”

    So I guess we can add lying to your list of accomplishments here.

    BTW, despite your accusation, when the “death tax” debate was in full swing, numerous groups pointed out that while the repubs frequently claimed their goal was to save family farms, no one was able to point to a family farm that went into default because of the so called death tax.

    It was fun having you here, but I think that is as far as I am willing to go responding to your BS. Have a fun stay.

  13. #13 by cav on January 6, 2013 - 10:01 am

    Shane. You know of course, Lyman and brewski share genetic material? I’d project in excess of 99.999%.

  14. #14 by Lyman Hall on January 6, 2013 - 10:12 am

    Shane,
    Go fuck yourself. You are wrong again and your sources are wrong again.

    “Members of the postal workers union say the pre-funding requirement has created a fiscal mess. Some people have even claimed that law has the effect of requiring the postal service to fund retirement obligations for people who are not yet employed by the USPS–potential future employees.

    No one ever intended the law to work that way. And, in fact, it doesn’t. Although accounting rules require the postal service to calculate future liabilities, including those for projected future employees, the law only requires pre-funding of obligations to actual current and past employees.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432/The_Truth_About_The_Post_Office039s_Financial_Mess

    So, I am factually right and you and your feelings and opinions are wrong.

    ” no one was able to point to a family farm that went into default because of the so called death tax.”
    This is not what you said. You are now arguing with yourself. What you said was:
    “Almost no family farm ever in the history of the country has to pay any substantial tax”
    Not having to pay any substantial tax and going into default are very different apples and oranges. Having to pay a tax and having to sell parts of farms in order to pay taxes does indeed happen, as the CBO proved to you.

    It must be humiliating for you to be smacked down in such a public way. It must suck being you.

  15. #15 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 11:42 am

    If I may repeat myself, notwithstanding buthead/hall:

    People should start sending – hand written – letters, through the mail to their friends.

    There’s no way they can open all of them without being noticed, and it will create many jobs for mail carriers!

    I’m a job-creator!

    PLUS: It’s a felony to open somebody’s mail.

    It only has to say: I love you.

  16. #16 by Shane on January 6, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    Brewski, you are so cute when you rant and rave about how everyone in the world is factually wrong but you. But at least it explains why you remain the pathetic little anonymous coward you are….

    Anyone, on topic, I have to agree Larry. I suggest we all start supportting the local mail carrier and their service ASAP. Sounds like a good plan.

  17. #17 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    My mailman had a wonderful stride and always a great smile and greeting. When he didn’t show up one day, I was told he died of cancer.

    I’m sure your mailman would prefer to be delivering less ads and more – you know – mail.

    Write it down!

  18. #18 by Lyman Hall on January 6, 2013 - 2:53 pm

    This is what is known as me schooling you. You are welcome for your lesson.

  19. #19 by cav on January 6, 2013 - 3:56 pm

    Now that you mention it, I do recall some talk of our education system going down the tubes.

    And any twerp can deliver the mail at 1/5th the wage…Right. boss?

  20. #20 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    By design.

    An educated workforce may be educated.

  21. #21 by cav on January 6, 2013 - 4:17 pm

    Now wait just a minute. Doesn’t that just stand to reason?

    Maybe you meant: An educated workforce can be Unionized.

  22. #22 by Larry Bergan on January 6, 2013 - 10:45 pm

    I learned, long ago, to never utter the U word, if I were to keep my miserable job.

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