Thom Hartmann Schools Caller Who Insists 2nd Amendment is to Stop Tyranny (Video)

Thom Hartmann explains to Larry the caller why the 2nd Amendment was written to allow citizens to defend their country, not defend AGAINST tyranny.

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  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on April 5, 2013 - 8:40 am

    The Gun Lobby wants us to believe that the Bill of Rights contains a provision that encourages the violent overthrow of the United States Government. That makes exactly no sense at all.

    • #2 by Bob S. on April 5, 2013 - 9:09 am

      Richard,

      Nice straw man argument. NO one in the gun lobby is saying that.

      First, the ‘gun lobby’ is a made up term used by gun control advocates like yourself.

      Second, people who oppose additional gun control laws simply point out that the 2nd Amendment was written by people who had just overthrown a tyrannical government and was concerned about having to do it again.

      That is a huge difference from saying ‘that encourages the violent overthrow’.

      Why do you continue to distort the truth.

      “”The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men.” -Samuel Adams”

      “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.”
      -Noah Webster

      “Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” George Washington

      I’ll close with this quote:

      “The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution.” Thomas Jefferson

  2. #4 by Richard Warnick on April 5, 2013 - 10:30 am

    “[T]he people have a right…to take whatever measures necessary, including force, to abolish oppressive government.”

    Wayne LaPierre (a member of the Gun Lobby)

    Total 2012 lobbying expenditures for the NRA alone: $2,980,000. Pretty impressive for a made-up nonexistent group.

  3. #5 by Cliff on April 5, 2013 - 11:20 am

    HA! NRA Bob got caught using the bogus NRA George Washington quote!

    Well done Richard! I caught one the other day on Facebook.

    I think it really speaks to the seamless marriage between the Bubbas and propaganda, memes and outright inventions presented as empirical fact.

    It speaks to a sad truth on 2 levels.

    1. That a modern American movement would stoop so low as to invent and feed invented lies to their own unwitting constituents, confident they will be spread, as fact, lending whatever additional authority the shit-layer has accrued with the other shit-layers.

    2. That the shit-layer (e.g. NRA Bob), could not care less about being exploited by the Masters of his tribe.

    #2 Is predicted by Conservative Authoritarianism.

  4. #6 by Bob S. on April 5, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    OOhh…ya got me. One bogus quote out of how many facts, figures, stats and quotes? Hundreds.

    Pathetic Cliff.

    Notice Richard what Wayne said “oppressive government” — are you saying the founding fathers were wrong when they rebelled against the government oppressing them at the time?

  5. #7 by Richard Warnick on April 5, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    The point I never tire of making, is that the Second Amendment was intended to aid in providing security to the people, and by extension, the government. NOT to ensure individuals have the means to rebel violently AGAINST the government and/or destroy our security.

    The shooter who puts a bullet in the head of a Member of Congress may be a hero to the Gun Lobby, but not to me.

    • #8 by Bob S. on April 5, 2013 - 2:47 pm

      Richard,

      Your failure, one you never get tired of making, is thinking there is a singular reason for the 2nd Amendment.

      You are correct, the militia was intended as an aid to the security of the country from foreign invaders.

      But that wasn’t the ONLY reason for it.
      Roger Sherman is quoted as saying:

      [C]onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.

      But please point out to me quotes from the founding fathers — the people who rebelled violently against the government — where they didn’t want that to happen again IF the government became oppressive again.

  6. #9 by Larry Bergan on April 6, 2013 - 12:27 am

    We’re going to have to give Bob S. credit here. He DID admit the Washington quote was bogus.

    I’d love to see him debate Hartmann, who knows this stuff inside-out. He’s been debating these issues for over a decade and probably a lot longer.

  7. #10 by Cliff Lyon on April 6, 2013 - 7:15 am

    Bob S,

    Show me where ANYONE in the debate surrounding 2A said ANYTHING about an individual right to self defense.

    “It is not that the Founders didn’t consider an individual right to posses arms: Samuel Adams proposed that the Constitution contain such a right, but even he wound up voting against it. The New Hampshire delegation also offered such a proposal. It was defeated. Robert Whitehall of the Pennsylvania delegation proposed a guarantee of an individual right to bear arms. It was likewise defeated. So it is clear that the Founders could have provided for such right, but chose not to.”

    http://www.oneutah.org/2013/04/no-individual-right-to-bear-arms-state-regulations-of-firearms-does-not-violate-u-s-constitution/

    Right to Feel Safe

    • #11 by Bob S. on April 8, 2013 - 9:40 am

      Cliff,

      In the very link you provide

      It has never been held to apply to the use of arms against criminals, or, more ludicrously, against the government. Most important, the courts have uniformly held that the amendment does not create or recognize a personal right to “keep and bear arms.”

      Are you saying that the 2nd Amendment does not protect a Right To Keep and Bear Arms for self defense?

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