A Post Worth Repeating

I wish the creativity were mine, but it’s not.

Walt Disney was a blatant capitalist, but – I hope – he NEVER would have approved of Glenn Beck.

I have to think he, and Walter Lance, would have approved of these videos:

  1. #1 by Larry Bergan on June 1, 2013 - 9:17 am

    A lot of work went into these cartoons and a lot of work went into making them relevant today.

    It would be interesting to know what Walt Disney would think about Glenn Beck.

    No?

  2. #2 by cav on June 1, 2013 - 10:05 am

    That audio overlay really made me laugh. Perfection.

  3. #3 by cav on June 1, 2013 - 10:20 am

    I suspect Goofy is a real fascist.

  4. #4 by Larry Bergan on June 1, 2013 - 11:19 am

    I have no way of knowing, but I think Walter Lance and Walter Disney would have collaborated against Glenn Beck.

  5. #5 by Larry Bergan on June 1, 2013 - 11:24 am

    Glenn Beck is no more of a Mormon then I am!

    Who is this jerk!

    (no offense to people who masturbate, (or used to)).

  6. #6 by brewski on June 2, 2013 - 6:57 pm

    You don’t like Walt Disney? Is building a company that employs 149,000 people a bad thing? Do you employ 149,000 people? If not, shut the hell up.

  7. #7 by cav on June 2, 2013 - 7:15 pm

    Reminds me of a joke.

    Three simple people walk into a bar. brewski is behind it. The each greet him and order a beer. When he opens his yap, out come the words, “Shut the hell up”.

    It is to laugh.

    • #8 by brewski on June 2, 2013 - 8:00 pm

      Get back to me when you have hired 149,000 people.

      • #9 by Ronald D. Hunt on June 3, 2013 - 4:59 am

        He has hired that many people, Every purchase he makes is little different then employing all of the people involved in the production of that purchase for the fractional period of time required to fulfill the demand of that purchase.

        Do you have any idea how many people I hired for a fractional period of time just to get a cup of coffee?, hell my computer likely involves more then a 150,000 people. Or my car, wowzers I employee a lot of people for that.

        Of course all consumers do this, they are the primary driver of the economy, and largest job creator.

        • #10 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 8:15 am

          It’s filing all the 1099s that really test my willingness to continue in my capitalist / consumerism.

          Thanks Ronald.

  8. #11 by Ronald D. Hunt on June 3, 2013 - 4:48 am

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/g8/10091729/Fake-shops-open-up-ahead-of-the-G8-summit.html

    Conservative policy, is so wonderfully displayed in Europe right now.

    • #12 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 8:24 am

      Some of these empty shop window adornments put together in anticipation of the G-8;s passing might / could have been job call boards recruiting clean-up crews for places the capitalists have wrecked, like Fukashima (the Pacific Ocean), the Gulf of Carribea, and so many many more.

      Hell, as it’s presently set up they are probably advertisements for the very corporate conglomerations the G-8 members are presidents of.

    • #13 by brewski on June 3, 2013 - 10:13 am

      I fail to see what this has to do with Conservatism.

      • #14 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 11:42 am

        Well, I guess a new day dawns.

        • #15 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 11:47 am

          Perhaps a definition of terms is in order. Shall we start with ;failure’ or ‘conservatism’?

          • #16 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 12:11 pm

            If we’re equating ‘conservative policy with republicanism, then reality must be faced, adjustments must be made:

            Cut the defense budget first.
            Bush’s wars blew up the deficit.
            GOP economic polices are to blame for the recession.
            Lower taxes will not create jobs. Increase taxes on the wealthy.
            End the attacks on women’s reproductive health.
            Expand universal health care coverage.
            Provide comprehensive immigration reform.
            Democrats are more responsive on student loans.
            Climate change is real.

            Otherwise we work conservatively only to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

          • #17 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 12:48 pm

            That’s a rock solid list of to-do’s and and FOR ONCE, starts with the first thing that needs fixing.

          • #18 by brewski on June 3, 2013 - 12:49 pm

            How about showing me the connection between fake shops and conservatism.

          • #19 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 1:32 pm

            Ronald, look what you’ve started.

            Don’t tell me they’re conservative buildings dressed up as ‘Progressive’ store fronts.

            Is there no mind-numbing depth to which they will not sink?

    • #20 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 12:40 pm

      Fake shop fronts; that’s just amazing.

      I’m glad America isn’t the only phony country in the world, but I’ll just bet you we have A LOT more phony organizations with titles that reflect the exact opposite of what their missions are.

      • #21 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 12:52 pm

        They’ve got the store fronts in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc, all dressed up like bomb craters. Now isn’t that cute.

        • #22 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 1:04 pm

          If somebody were to blow up buildings in their own country, and blame it on somebody else, that would be insane.

          I’m sure that’s never happened.

          P.S. Gotta get that said before Richard gets back in town.

    • #23 by Ronald D. Hunt on June 3, 2013 - 2:20 pm

      Its Northern ireland, aka the UK, The place suffering from a triple dip recession because of aggressive government cuts, heavy shifting of taxes from the rich to the poor, The Tories are currently in the process of restoring something similar to the Iron Lady’s poll tax.

      And like all good conservatives, its all about the narrative, they are having an economic summit, but their economic policy has been a grand epic failure, so they have chosen to Literately paper over their failure.

      • #24 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 3:24 pm

        Thank you. Well stated.

      • #25 by brewski on June 3, 2013 - 3:29 pm

        Northern Ireland has been suffering since, well, since forever. When was it never not suffering? My ancestors got the hell out of that place 400 years ago for a good reason. It sucks and always has sucked.

        As for epic failures and making fake villages, the lefties invented that.

        In 1982, Mayor Ed Koch (Democrat) of New York City covered the windows of abandoned buildings in The Bronx with decals of plants and Venetian blinds to hide the blight.

        In 2010 (under the Obama regime), 22 vacant houses in a blighted part of Cleveland were disguised with fake doors and windows painted on the plywood panels used to close them up, so the houses look occupied. A similar program has been undertaken in Chicago and in Detroit during the World Series festivities in 1984.

        People in glass houses…..

        • #26 by Ronald D. Hunt on June 3, 2013 - 5:42 pm

          Potemkin…

          In all cases, shame on the people doing it.

  9. #27 by obama's jack booted truncheon wielding goons on June 3, 2013 - 9:14 am

    When the drone murder terrorist progressives voted for, wind up acting and doing exactly as they appear, and then some, resort to bashing talk show entertainers.. utilize cartoon analogies, show work, un-elected and with no real power.

    Never mind the fucking elephant in the room.

    It really is quite pathetic.

  10. #28 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Isn’t there some plutonium or something clinging to the bottom of your boat that needs your attention?

    Nobody likes anything, least of all the Dog-damn ‘elephant in the room’ and the overwhelming stench of its effluence – not even the lesser of any two evils. Certainly you’ve figured that out by now.

    So Shrill.

  11. #29 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 12:46 pm

    • #30 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 12:54 pm

      Funny stuff.

      Keep it simple.

      Let’s put a boot up EVERYBODY’S ass.

  12. #31 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 12:57 pm

    Brewski:

    I don’t think you got my drift in the post. I know Walt Disney was a capitalist, but I don’t think he would have been comfortable with where it’s gone.

    I considered Walt to be a visionary.

  13. #32 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 4:39 pm

    Off topic but, we have two very important cases going on in the courts. Zimmerman’s killing of Trevon Martin, and Bradley Manning’s exposing the realities of some of our war crimes.

    Guess which one of these will get the most press, and conversely, which will get nary a word.

    • #33 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 5:26 pm

      We all know the answer to that one.

      The cowardly, (self serving), whistle-blower is going to get 24/7 coverage, and the brave man who shot and killed a scary youth armed with skittles will be ignored.

      I’m not being funny; just sarcastic.

      Of course our – for profit – news corporations will prove that my sarcasm is misplaced. Please make it quick; I’m no good at holding my breath.

  14. #34 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 7:24 pm

    Back on topic:

    I ,just now, heard on the news that it will cost you $86 dollars to get your 10-year-old into Disneyland and it goes up from there.

    Wow!

    We used to go skiing at Alta for $8 a day.

    To be reasonable: it’s probably no longer feasible to allow so many people to participate. The last time I was at Alta, skiers were crashing into each other and it wasn’t any fun, but maybe there’s a better way to control the crowds then just letting the very wealthy participate.

    Just a thought.

    • #35 by brewski on June 3, 2013 - 8:16 pm

      We should exclude the rich people from skiing since they don’t deserve to ski anyway. It should be turned into a not for profit recreation area just for the real workers. It should be run and managed by selfless volunteers whose spirit is just to see people have fun and not for any sordid profit.

      • #36 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 8:38 pm

        brewski:

        You have the same problem I have!

        No sarcasm emoticon. :(

      • #37 by cav on June 3, 2013 - 10:23 pm

        I too, am concerned about the poor wealthy people. Will they ever catch any slack?

        Please stand for the Wingnut National Anthem:

        We are the victims, my friends,
        And we’ll keep on whining ’til the end.
        We are the victims.
        We are the victims.
        No time for losers
        ‘Cause we are the victims…Of The World!

        • #38 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 10:37 pm

          Putting words in a dead mans mouth is probably a bad thing, but I think Fred would have liked it.

  15. #39 by Larry Bergan on June 3, 2013 - 8:40 pm

    Jack Walsh should never be allowed to ski, unless he wins a lottery to do that.

  16. #42 by Larry Bergan on June 4, 2013 - 12:23 am

    And This!

    I think I paid Three Dollars and Fifty Cents to see this concert.

    Back in the day. :(

  17. #43 by cav on June 4, 2013 - 10:22 am

    Munificent conservatism you can really sink your teeth into:

    GOP 2009-2012:
    113 Religion Bills
    46 Abortion Bills
    73 Family Relationship Bills
    72 Gun Bills
    36 Marriage Bills
    0 JOBS Bills

  18. #44 by Larry Bergan on June 4, 2013 - 11:13 am

    Magnificent conversation.

    That’s what we’re all about. :)

  19. #45 by cav on June 4, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    lol

  20. #47 by cav on June 4, 2013 - 5:41 pm

    What do you think about the ‘conversation’ taking place over on the …deeply immoral act thread?

    lol? omg? There;s somebody out there!

    • #48 by Larry Bergan on June 7, 2013 - 7:40 am

      Richard is on vacation, so I guess somebody’s going to have clean up the troll poop.

      I’ve taken on that responsibility myself.

      I figure if somebody is a little bit TOO giddy about our little site here and advertises at the same time, they’re gone!

  21. #49 by cav on June 4, 2013 - 9:52 pm

    I still marvel at the fact that the only thing standing between us and a complete Republican takeover (led by our “Democratic” President) is the presence of the TeaParty.

    • #51 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 12:32 pm

      First, this is absolutely nothing new. Why howl about it now, when under Bush all the providers were turning over everything? Nobody who screamed about it then was attended to. It’s just more scandal du jour.

      • #52 by brewski on June 6, 2013 - 1:36 pm

        Because this joker specifically told us he was the anti-Bush. Bush said he was going to do it and did it. Obama said he was oh so different and did it.
        That is something new.

        • #53 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 4:31 pm

          Dear Verizon Customers,

          Yesterday it came to light that the National Security Agency has been collecting millions of phone records from you each and every day. Since that news was released, many of you have called the White House with questions and concerns about this new program. To save my time and yours, here are answers to three of the F.A.Q.s (Frequently Asked Questions) we’ve been hearing from you:

          1. Will I be charged extra for this service?

          I’m happy to say that the answer is no. While the harvesting and surveillance of your domestic phone calls were not a part of your original Verizon service contract, the National Security Agency is providing this service entirely free of charge.

          2. If I add a phone to my account, will those calls also be monitored?

          Once again, the answer is good news. If you want to add a child or any other family member to your Verizon account, their phone calls – whom they called, when, and the duration of the call – will all be monitored by the United States government, at no additional cost.

          3. Can the National Security Agency help me understand my Verizon bill?

          Unfortunately, no. The National Security Agency has tried, but failed, to understand Verizon’s bills. Pease call Verizon customer service and follow the series of electronic prompts.

          I hope I’ve helped clear up some of the confusion about this exciting new program. But if you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to call the White House. Joe Biden is standing by.

          God bless America,

          President Obama

          (Yes, it’s Andy Borowitz.)

  22. #54 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 9:33 am

    I see your point brew, but am still strapped steadfastly to the ‘consent of the governed’, which makes these investments and tactics really something we needn’t purchase. Those selling may have some power, but they are still in need of guidance. Yes, I know how fuzzy that sounds, but deep in there somewhere is a kernel of truth, perhaps the only thing we still have to work with.

  23. #55 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 10:10 am

    Regarding the blooming surveillance apparatus, won’t the cops be surprised, when they find out their uniforms are not erased on the surveillance cameras and the precinct is part of the records…

  24. #56 by brewski on June 6, 2013 - 10:19 am

    Becky Gerritson for President

  25. #57 by Larry Bergan on June 6, 2013 - 3:05 pm

    The surveillance is disturbing, but it’s not at all a surprise. Isn’t this what Cheney’s “shadow government” was about. The Republicans have been trying to shrink the size of the government, but the secret government has been growing in an unlimited fashion.

    Did we think the colossal information gathering site just a short drive from here was being built for nothing. Orrin Hatch broke the ground for it.

  26. #58 by brewski on June 6, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    • #59 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 6:38 pm

      Wrong choice of music!

      And what is it with you and blondes in blue?

    • #60 by Larry Bergan on June 6, 2013 - 6:59 pm

      I have to admit that the Democrats were dumb-asses about the WMD’s too, but they didn’t bring them up every chance they got as a fear tactic. Most of those quotes were long before we invaded. Maybe Saddam still had the biological weapons Rumsfeld sold him.

  27. #61 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    I don’t bother to write my elected “representatives” anymore… I figure my comments will show up in their daily so-called intelligence summaries from posting here.

  28. #62 by cav on June 6, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    Referring to revelations about the wiretapping of all 300 million Americans through collection of all data passing through US service providers such as Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, and Google, Senator Dianne Feinstein asked, “What’s the big deal about the PRISN program? There’s no discriminatory effect, since everyone is in PRISN. And, since rights don’t exist in PRISN, no one’s rights are being infringed.”

    PRISM = play on acronyms.

  29. #63 by Larry Bergan on June 6, 2013 - 11:16 pm

    As long as we ALL end up serving time, I don’t see a problem. Do I get to read Dianne Feinstein’s E-mail too. Seems like a waste of time spying on each other when we could be spending more time at the park enjoying the smells and joy of spring.

    I know; that was a different time. No trumped up fucking war on activism/civic duty.

    A time when trolls were fictional characters who lived under bridges and didn’t bother you.

    A time when right-wing activists didn’t ride around in air-conditioned buses with baked on graphics payed for by the Koch bro’s. didn’t drive from state to state making it look like local protests were bigger then they were, and were followed around by a CNN bus.

    About half this Utah crowd was bussed in. There were four full size busses including the one from CNN. It’s not even that big of a crowd, but they sure got coverage.

    Here’s proof there were four busses st the fake event provided by a great activist group called “we are change” [you can watch it in any resolution]

  30. #64 by cav on June 7, 2013 - 10:38 am

    The scope of the surveillance is directly correlated to the breadth of elite criminality.

    “With the STASI it was political. In the US it’s just business.”

  31. #65 by brewski on June 7, 2013 - 10:56 am

    Cav,
    Cliff and Glendy think you are a racist.

    • #66 by Larry Bergan on June 7, 2013 - 12:34 pm

      brewski changes the subject with predictable regularity.

      Atta boy!

      What about the busses!

      • #67 by cav on June 7, 2013 - 12:44 pm

        Threads cross other threads, news breaks, etc. brewski may veer off topic yes, but rally no more so that I do, though, in this instance of projecting Glenden and Cliff’s thoughts about me, I am perplexed. And, it is not the first time.

        Any way.”That giant sucking sound you hear…”

        Is all your Credit card data, private emails, late night chats, and deleted blog posts headed to the Puzzle palace…

      • #69 by brewski on June 7, 2013 - 3:09 pm

        No, I was responding directly to Cav’s post.

      • #70 by brewski on June 7, 2013 - 3:10 pm

        I couldn’t care less about the buses.

  32. #71 by cav on June 7, 2013 - 11:40 am

    What do you think?

  33. #72 by Larry Bergan on June 7, 2013 - 5:29 pm

    The plural of busses is buses or busses. What do you think about the buses?

    Don’t you care that you are being scammed by fake crowds. I thought more of your political prowess brewski.

    Make it not be true!

  34. #76 by cav on June 7, 2013 - 7:02 pm

    I will not eat green eggs on spam, Not on buses, nor on a tram.

    Why Music Makes Our Brain Sing

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/opinion/sunday/why-music-makes-our-brain-sing.html?hp

    I know, I’m beginning to feel like one of those commenters over on one of those oddly translator-hijacked threads.

  35. #77 by Larry Bergan on June 7, 2013 - 7:36 pm

    cav:

    I found your link to be interesting since, (for some reason), I just got though watching a movie about Liberace on Hulu. He came to the realization that people loved it when he mixed popular music with the old classics.

    Composers and performers intuitively understand this: they manipulate these prediction mechanisms to give us what we want — or to surprise us, perhaps even with something better.

    Plus, he never missed a note. Ever!

    I saw him live, here.

  36. #78 by cav on June 7, 2013 - 8:17 pm

    A little Victor Borga, a little Peter Pan, and a little Van Cliburn.

    The Peter Pan reference was a blatant attempt to bring this thread back around to the Disney germ from which it had leapt.

  37. #79 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 5:43 am

    I like the fact that this has become a free thread.

    The Leon Russell video and album documented the best concert I ever saw. I recently copied it onto CD from the album I have.

    Obviously, brewski is not allowed to comment on the teabagger party. That is his right, but I have to wonder why. I have that right.

    The man in the video was angry that his association with a movement started by Ron Paul had morphed into a corporate scam. I think it’s an interesting video. It’s easier to hear what’s going on if you watch it in high resolution.

    • #80 by brewski on June 8, 2013 - 11:46 pm

      So what you are saying is that there was a real group of grassroots protesters and they were ignored. Then a fake group showed up and they were covered. OK, so then how does that undermine the legitimacy of the original grass roots movement?

      Thank you for helping me make my point for me.

  38. #81 by cav on June 8, 2013 - 8:46 am

    I’m old enough to remember when Leon Russell was just half of the ‘Asylum Choir”.

    So, when 4 bus-loads of ‘protesters’ pull up to a protest, and they are the only people to show, it’s sort of like preaching to the choir, the asylum choir.

    • #82 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 3:11 pm

      I have also copied the first Asylum Choir album to CD from vinyl. Leon was one of the best arrangers in the business.

  39. #83 by cav on June 8, 2013 - 9:06 am

    And not to belittle the citizen activists, that were present, it is clear they want no part of the ‘politics-as -usual’ style of doing things, that they don’t feel represented, and perhaps that they were being played – just as we all have been played.

    I think that if both the Dem AND the Rep parties were to completely fragment, that might provide an opening in the restoration of our fabled democracy. The plutarchs that think they own it, seeing the ‘Going Out of Business As Usual’ sign going up, might just be left perplexed and impotent.

  40. #84 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 3:14 pm

    We’re just little ol’ grassroots people like you. Really, we are.

    Where’s brewski? Picking up his check from David Koch?

    • #85 by brewski on June 8, 2013 - 11:48 pm

      Where am I? I am not worrying about who paid for what buses. I am worrying about why people like you voted for a con man and why were you so easily conned by the same media that is showing up to cover fake buses.

      • #86 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 11:55 pm

        You don’t get it brewski.

        There were only two people to vote for. One of them was a balls out, money grubbing, capitalist and the other was a man we hoped could stop the balls out, money grubbing capitalists.

        • #87 by brewski on June 9, 2013 - 12:08 am

          Hoped? Hoped? Hoped?

          You don’t get it Larry.

          The other was a con man who wanted you to think he was different. You were lied to by the corporate for profit media who sold you the story that he was different and you were a sucker.

          Which part about giving secret information to hedge fund managers and assassinating American citizens don’t you understand?

          You do understand that Al Gore is now just as stinking rich as Mitt Romney all due to his political insider position and nothing else, don’t you?

          • #88 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 12:26 am

            Who did YOU vote for, jackass?

            You’re not going to tell me, are you?

          • #89 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 10:02 am

            OK, I’ll confess, now: I was really tempted by MCain, because Wolfkiller Barbie was so hawt, but my middle class white liberal guilt forced my hand.

          • #90 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 10:16 am

            It’s a good thing McCain wasn’t able to steal the election because Palin would have quit and we would have ended up with Dick Cheney again.

          • #91 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 10:40 am

            In Oh! Twelve, all of the candidates were capital P-PATHETIC, but I did have a minor regard for Joe Biden. Still I couldn’t and didn’t vote for any of the media starz. Had to go elsewhere.

  41. #92 by cav on June 8, 2013 - 3:47 pm

    I’m going to run with your declared, ‘free thread’…

    Since the biggest problem facing most retirement funds outside Social Security are the risks of he financial markets, it is clear to me Social Security should be expanded, not cut.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20130605,0,1753170.column

  42. #93 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 5:14 pm

    The overarching mission of congress today has been to take things away from everybody but the rich, so I wouldn’t expect we’re going to be hearing about increasing SS benefits.

    Try to name ONE thing they have done to make our lives easier in the last decade. Nada!

    A cap should be taken off of how much the wealth have to pay into SS, and a cap should be put ON how much they can make. They have proven they can’t be trusted with their money and it’s time to prevent them from spending it to influence our laws.

    • #97 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 10:23 pm

      We live in a time, post, retroactive immunity. If that doesn’t say they can do anything, nothing will.

      Verizon and all the others KNEW nothing would happen to them because the only telecom CEO that refused to comply with the powers in the past, ended up in prison.

  43. #98 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 10:04 pm

    There’s an interesting film coming out which has NO CHANCE of being broadcast on the public airwaves. No film by Michael Moore has ever been broadcast there either, but my hat goes off to Amy Goodman for lending her talents to the film because she is recognizable to probably a fifth of our populace. That puts her in a special position, because everybody else in the film is largely anonymous.

    Even though Sibel Edmonds was on “Sixty Minutes” once, along with Governor Don Siegelman – who is in prison for trying to provide education for young people, and speaking out against electronic voting machines -, she will never be widely known, and neither is Coleen Rowley, because, even though she was featured on the cover of Time magazine ONCE, you could walk down the street, stop anybody you see and ask them if they know who these people are. The answer will be no. These people are called “whistle-blowers” and are not allowed to enter the American conversation.

    There are a multitude of similar heroes on our soil, and if they ever get any traction, the Goddamned media will point to the ONE TIME they put them on the air.

  44. #99 by Larry Bergan on June 8, 2013 - 11:45 pm

    A little heavy there. Sorry.

    This should calm things down.

  45. #100 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 12:52 am

    brewski/noname actually said this in response to my posting of the video at #79:

    So what you are saying is that there was a real group of grassroots protesters and they were ignored. Then a fake group showed up and they were covered. OK, so then how does that undermine the legitimacy of the original grass roots movement?

    Thank you for helping me make my point for me.

    Well brewski, because the REAL grass roots movement was taken over by a FAKE grassroots movement with money provided by the Koch bros and others.

    Duh!

    • #101 by brewski on June 9, 2013 - 8:30 am

      No, the real grassroots movement didn’t go anywhere. They just got attacked by the IRS.

  46. #102 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 9:52 am

    brewski has the words “fake” and “real” all mixed up in his head. After all these years of reading his commentary, it comes as no surprise that the lines could blur for him. But HEY, it’s a living.

  47. #103 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 11:16 am

    Since he won’t respond, I’ll just have to assume that brewski wrote Bachmann in.

  48. #104 by brewski on June 9, 2013 - 1:03 pm

    Is this woman a fake woman?

  49. #105 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    Well, I guess the thread title IS about ‘repeating’, And while I’ll grant her testimony is human and not at all cartoonish, it does seem as though I’ve heard it somewhere up above.

  50. #106 by brewski on June 9, 2013 - 2:35 pm

    Yes, it is. But Larry says she doesn’t exist. She must be a hologram.

  51. #107 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    Well, she certainly seems to be passionate.

    She has nothing on Glenn Beck or John Boner, (spelling?).

  52. #108 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 2:54 pm

    Why do people spam OneUtah?

    Do they really think we are susceptible to giddy comments about how much they love our website?

    If I could find one of these people, I would stab them in the eyes without remorse!

    I’m not talking about you, brewski! Relax!

  53. #109 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 3:01 pm

    Cleaning spam-troll droppings is not an enviable job assignment.

    Which reminds me, I haven’t seen our host around for a while. Is he boating with Rich? On the ‘Riv’ while the sh*t is hitting the proverbial fan? What courage!

  54. #110 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 3:33 pm

    Everybody NEEDS a vacation, but I think Helen Thomas wants off.

  55. #111 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 4:06 pm

    I thought it was interesting that snippets of the video Bradley Manning is charged with releasing was shown last nite on ‘Caught on Camera’ with Contessa Brewer.

  56. #112 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 6:34 pm

    “You can have a democratic surveillance state which collects as little data as possible and tells you as much as possible about what it’s doing, or you can have an authoritarian surveillance state which collects as much as possible and tells the public as little as possible,” Krugman said. “And we are kind of on the authoritarian side.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/09/paul-krugman-nsa-surveillance_n_3411944.html

  57. #113 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 7:41 pm

    Due process v decisive action. Is it better to kick someone out of a plane than to let them have a day in court?

    This is the debate. this is the distinction between people power and authoritarianism. This is why Bradley Manning will spend so much time behind bars, and why Bush would liked to have been dictator instead of the job he ran for and was handed. Same with this new guy.

  58. #114 by brewski on June 9, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    Instead we have Obama as dictator.

  59. #115 by cav on June 9, 2013 - 8:44 pm

    Apparently some fool has to fill that niche. I mean, that’s a full third of our representative government right there. The other two thirds, well, you know…they’re busy checking and balancing lest we loose our moral compass.

    I wonder how many of our tax dollars are being spent in order to store and analyze me blithering?

  60. #116 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    I sure wish Rmoney was Survailing me. Best of all worlds!

  61. #117 by brewski on June 9, 2013 - 9:37 pm

    Still waiting for Larry to admit that Becky Gerriston is real.

  62. #118 by Larry Bergan on June 9, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    Who the fuck is Becky Gerriston?

    Please illuminate me.

  63. #119 by brewski on June 10, 2013 - 8:36 am

    See post #104

    • #120 by Larry Bergan on June 10, 2013 - 6:22 pm

      I saw most of the video, but who is she. just a concerned person or does she have a title?

      • #121 by brewski on June 10, 2013 - 8:41 pm

        Someone who isn’t fake.

        • #122 by Larry Bergan on June 11, 2013 - 5:10 pm

          I’m sure some of the Tea Party members are sincere, but she really needs a new group; one that doesn’t get funded by assholes with money.

          Besides I’ve seen loads of more sincere people that never got on C-span.

          • #123 by brewski on June 11, 2013 - 5:41 pm

            Do you know that she gets money from assholes at all?

            Didn’t think so.

          • #124 by Larry Bergan on June 11, 2013 - 7:49 pm

            I didn’t say she DID get any money, but considering she and her husband didn’t give a crap about the Trillions Bush wasted on war, and then got really upset about the 700 Billion they blamed on Obama. This has the Tea Party, (the fake one), written all over it.

            And besides, do you really want a woman who didn’t even care about politics until 2008 to be the president? Your standards for leadership are very low. Who invited this woman to speak? Can you tell me that?

  64. #125 by brewski on June 11, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    “but considering she and her husband didn’t give a crap about the Trillions Bush wasted on war, and then got really upset about the 700 Billion they blamed on Obama.”

    She did? Show me your evidence of that?

    “do you really want a woman who didn’t even care about politics until 2008 to be the president?”

    2008 is five years before today. Obama announced his candidacy in 2007. Five years before 2007 was 2002. In 2002 Obama was in the Illinois state senate and voting “present” on scores of bills since he couldn’t be bothered to take a position on them one way or the other.

    “Your standards for leadership are very low.”
    Ours can’t get any lower than they already are.

    “Who invited this woman to speak? Can you tell me that?”
    I am sure she was invited by the House Ways and Means Committee.

  65. #126 by Larry Bergan on June 11, 2013 - 9:37 pm

    You must mean The House of Representatives, who stole that house using gerrymandering in 2012. You mean THAT house. THOSE were the clods who invited Miss passionate to have the floor for that long?

    I’m glad you finally told me who you WOULD vote for as president at some future date. Now can you tell who you DID vote for.

    Never mind.

    • #127 by brewski on June 11, 2013 - 11:06 pm

      You mean gerrymandering, invented by the Democrats and named after Democrats. That gerrymandering.

      I voted for Gary Johnson.

  66. #128 by Larry Bergan on June 12, 2013 - 12:03 am

    Brewski:

    I know gerrymandering was invented by a democrat, but that was in 1912. In 1912 they didn’t have computers to intricately map out where they had to redistrict to steal elections. I keep telling you to step into the present.

    We’re talking about 2012 here and you well-know the Republicans STOLE the House of Representatives using it. IN 2012.

    2012!

    Damn though. Thanks for telling me who you voted for. I thought I was going to have to torture you to get that information.

  67. #129 by brewski on June 12, 2013 - 7:36 am

    I’ve said it before, but you were smoking a doobie.

    As for it being 2012, you are stuck in 1968, …man!

    • #130 by Larry Bergan on June 12, 2013 - 9:12 pm

      Guess you didn’t have a real comment on #128.

      • #131 by brewski on June 12, 2013 - 10:00 pm

        I got your stolen election right here:
        http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com

        • #132 by Larry Bergan on June 12, 2013 - 10:34 pm

          OH NO! Not that video again.

          Is that really the best you can come up with? Go to BradBlog and read everything from the last ten years, then tell me who’s been stealing the elections.

          Brad reports on ALL election fraud. It just so happens that 99% of it these days is carried out by Republicans because they’ve been exemplary at getting their people into high election offices, among many, many other things.

          • #133 by cav on June 13, 2013 - 12:23 am

            I was just going to start cursing that Obama tribe.

            That ‘tube’ was like crack.

  68. #134 by cav on June 12, 2013 - 10:29 am

    The back-wash. Begun, it has.

    • #135 by Larry Bergan on June 12, 2013 - 9:15 pm

      We’ll get that 1912 gerrymandering SOB, if it takes us a hundred years!

  69. #136 by brewski on June 13, 2013 - 5:38 am

    “Armed with the new information offered by the Miami-Dade IP addresses, it now appears that prosecutors are closing in on suspects believed to be behind at least one of those sets of cyberhacks — the ones involving the Democratic U.S. House primary. Over the weekend the investigation led to the resignation of the Chief of Staff of the Democratic Congressman who eventually won the primary in question, as well as last November’s general election…”

    DEMOCRATS!

    • #137 by Larry Bergan on June 13, 2013 - 5:36 pm

      This wouldn’t be from NewsMax would it?

      If a Democrat is stealing an election he should be prosecuted just like a Republican stealing an election.

      However, we don’t live in a country of laws, and no Republicans are getting prosecuted because they have more money. Sigh!

  70. #138 by brewski on June 13, 2013 - 7:10 am

    “The top state and national party leaders, including Florida congressmen Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Ted Deutsch, and Alecee Hastings, signed off on the gerrymandered maps, according to the emails released during court discovery in Romo v. Scott, a legal challenge to redistricting maps that the GOP-controlled state legislature approved in 2012.

    “For several months the Florida Democratic Party has engaged in a legal fight over redistricting in Florida,” Florida Democratic chair Rod Smith wrote to a representative of the Teamsters Union in March 2012. “We believe that Florida can be turned from red to blue if we are successful in our efforts.”

    Democratic consultant Brad Wieneke described the gerrymander in one email chain on Florida’s 23rd Congressional District, which Slate has called the 23rd one of “the most gerrymandered congressional districts” in the country and which Wasserman Schultz represents in Congress.

    “They want to scoop as many Jews out of Tamarac and Sunrise as they can,” Wieneke wrote.”

    • #139 by Larry Bergan on June 13, 2013 - 5:43 pm

      Gerrymandering should be outlawed and the districts should be restored to looking blocky.

      Gee, given the current situation, which party do you think is more likely to fix the problem.

      Again, we don’t live in 1912. The Republicans are the elephant in the room of election fraud today at EVERY level. One or two stories about Democrats isn’t significant.

      • #140 by brewski on June 13, 2013 - 8:03 pm

        “Gerrymandering should be outlawed and the districts should be restored to looking blocky.”

        I agree, although I’m not sure about your use of the word “restored”.

        “which party do you think is more likely to fix the problem.”

        Neither.

        “One or two stories about Democrats isn’t significant.”

        Only when it is an inconvenient truth which disproves your conclusion.

    • #142 by Larry Bergan on June 13, 2013 - 8:32 pm

      I used to think The Christian Science Monitor was a pretty good source, but why haven’t they reported on the plethora of Republican election fraud since 1978.

      Disclaimer: I don’t have any proof because that’s when we started using the punch card system which was only designed to conduct exit polls anyway.

      Why hasn’t ANY supposed news organization reported on it?

      • #143 by brewski on June 13, 2013 - 11:20 pm

        Because they are all part of the government-media complex.

  71. #144 by Larry Bergan on June 13, 2013 - 11:37 pm

    Nice try at deflection, brewski. Didn’t you mean the corporate-media complex.

    Hasn’t the government already been drowned in the bathtub?

    Well, of course, I’m not talking about the secret government, which is doing just fine, thanks!

    • #145 by brewski on June 14, 2013 - 6:45 am

      It’s the same complex. Government-corporate-media complex. No deflection.

      • #146 by cav on June 14, 2013 - 8:12 am

        Government-corporate-media-and sadly altogether too many ‘brain-dead’, cynical, apathetic citizens-complex. http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/9903

        Fixed that for you.

        “We have met the enemy, and they are us” (paraphrasing Walt Kelly).

        • #147 by Larry Bergan on June 14, 2013 - 7:24 pm

          Sibel Edmonds is in league with every other great whistle-blower in the country. Not all of them are in prison – not by a long shot -, but they have certainly been silenced.

  72. #149 by cav on June 14, 2013 - 9:35 am

    With a structure as elegant as this, it’s little surprise they can tell us how we view any particular issue…’the American people are ready to follow President McCain into Syria’.

    USA, USA, USA1

  73. #151 by Larry Bergan on June 14, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    OMG. The CEO of Goldman Sucks is really Pollyanna.

    No wonder we’re in such trouble.

    What an idiot. If he only knew how much negative news the media SHOULD be reporting on, he’d probably jump off that big ass building.

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