Sean Hannity Suddenly Concerned About The Constitution

Via Media Matters, the funniest thing I’ve seen today. I don’t watch the Faux News Channel, but sometimes it can be very entertaining.

Sean Hannity is warning that data mining and surveillance are “very clear violation[s] of the Fourth Amendment,” a drastic change for the Fox News host, who was a loud defender of National Security Agency surveillance during the Bush administration.

To be fair, some Democrats have also switched positions out of pure partisanship: Mika Brzezinski: ‘I’m Probably Guilty’ Of Hypocrisy Over NSA.

Seriously, every President takes an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Doesn’t matter who the President is — the job is the same. Some have claimed that widespread surveillance of Americans is OK now under President Obama because the FISA Court issued a warrant. But the Fourth Amendment does not allow a blanket warrant to search everybody for everything.

  1. #1 by brewski on June 18, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    Are you and Media Matters more concerned about Hannity’s hypocrisy or Obama’s?

    Keep your eye on the ball.

  2. #2 by Larry Bergan on June 18, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    Rocky Anderson, politely and eloquently, eviscerated Mr. Hannity in a live debate at the University of Utah. Although the session was actually shown live on the local Fox affiliate, you will not find it anywhere today, and you couldn’t find it the day after it aired.

    Although it was a debate, Hannity never once brought up the subject of that debate, which was “should George W. Bush be impeached?”

    Most of the liberal programs broadcast in America are archived and can be accessed, because they don’t lie, and want people to hear what they’ve reported on.

  3. #3 by brewski on June 18, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    ” you will not find it anywhere today, and you couldn’t find it the day after it aired.”

    • #4 by Larry Bergan on June 18, 2013 - 11:26 pm

      Well, I’m impressed brewski.

      Can we see the entire debate?

      I love seeing this portion!

  4. #5 by brewski on June 18, 2013 - 9:45 pm

    Richard,

    Where is Media Matters when it comes to Assistant Professor Salamisha Tillet on MSNBC?

    AWOL

    • #6 by Richard Warnick on June 19, 2013 - 12:05 pm

      I had to Google Salamishah Tillet. Don’t recall seeing her on MSNBC. What did she say? On what show? When?

      • #7 by brewski on June 19, 2013 - 3:31 pm

        She said that the proposed ban on late term abortions is a white supremacist plot.

        • #8 by Richard Warnick on June 19, 2013 - 3:42 pm

          OK, looks like Tillet was on a panel on Melissa Harris-Perry’s weekend show (guest-hosted by Ari Melber). Bill O’Reilly twisted her words in order to accuse her of racism. Late-term abortion wasn’t even the topic under discussion.

          • #9 by brewski on June 19, 2013 - 5:17 pm

            Did you actually watch the whole segment? She was talking about the ban on late term abortion and she did talk about white babies and whiteness. Try actually going to the source for once.

        • #10 by cav on June 19, 2013 - 4:50 pm

          Hell, Thinking people, who have a clue about population pressures, are being out-bred by the idiotic. This is a disturbing plot on the part of the Stupid Supremacy Dead-End Block.

  5. #11 by Larry Bergan on June 18, 2013 - 11:49 pm

    Honestly:

    Have you ever seen anything like the video brewski provided at #3?

    I would love to see the entire debate!

    brewski? Can you provide that?

  6. #12 by brewski on June 19, 2013 - 7:25 am

  7. #13 by cav on June 19, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    Rocky Anderson’s presidential run was refreshing for me. He spoke my language, unlike the GOP and Dem Party fabricators. I loved hearing it spoken in public, and hoped many more would hear it as well.

    • #15 by Richard Warnick on June 19, 2013 - 2:58 pm

      I missed most of the Russell Brand interview while getting ready to go to work. I recall that Mika was thoroughly embarrassed after her “first Brand experience.”

      • #16 by brewski on June 19, 2013 - 5:19 pm

        Russell Brand showed how he is smarter than everyone on the set combined. They’ve never been in the room with a smart person before.

        If her last name wasn’t Brzezinski she’d be the top realtor in Tyson’s Corner.

        • #17 by Larry Bergan on June 19, 2013 - 10:01 pm

          brewski says:

          They’ve never been in the room with a smart person before.

          How could you say something that vicious about Joe Scarborough? :)

          Occasionally, Hannity has to take a day off, when somebody like Paul Krugman shows up.

  8. #18 by Nathan Erkkila on June 19, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    Oh really? They didn’t seem to care about it when Bush was in office.

    Conservatives couldn’t care less about oppression. They only care if they’re not the ones doing it.

    • #19 by brewski on June 20, 2013 - 7:27 am

      Goes both ways, as we now see.

    • #20 by cav on June 20, 2013 - 9:32 am

      Both ways maybe. Certainly more one way than the other.

      Bush-Cheney began illegal NSA spying before 9/11, says telcom CEO
      Contradicting a statement by ex-vice president Dick Cheney on Sunday that warrantless domestic surveillance might have prevented 9/11, 2007 court records indicate that the Bush-Cheney administration began such surveillance at least 7 months prior to 9/11.
      The Bush administration bypassed the law requiring such actions to be authorized by FISA court warrants, the body set up in the Seventies to oversee Executive Branch spying powers after abuses by Richard Nixon. Former QWest CEO John Nacchios said that at a meeting with the NSA on February 27, 2001, he and other QWest officials declined to participate. AT&T, Verizon and Bellsouth all agreed to shunt customer communications records to an NSA database.
      http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/352455

      Iirc, this is why the AT&T, Verizon and Bellsouth bosses needed that retroactive immunity my President voted for, because felony.

      • #21 by brewski on June 20, 2013 - 11:19 am

        • #22 by cav on June 20, 2013 - 11:32 am

          It is that ‘lack of difference’ that makes me suggest the two-party system is but a distracting artifact of something much larger, certainly more structurally significant, and without doubt fully invested in perpetuating the illusion of there being any democracy as we were led to believe during our initial indoctrination (K-12), even while the realities are seldom acknowledged, much less afforded a position of the table of change.

          As much as is possible, the Status Quo, is inviolable. It’s owners are to remain unruffled.

  9. #23 by Larry Bergan on June 19, 2013 - 10:15 pm

    To the main point of this post:

    Doesn’t Hannity put himself on the hot plate, by condemning secret surveillance. Cheney was on the Sunday morning “news” scams last week, saying he thought Snowden was a traitor.

    I’m sorry, (not really), but the Republicans, (Hannity claims not to be one these days), are tying themselves in a knot.

    Maybe the Democrats should start to wake up and follow somebody with the integrity of Rocky Anderson. He was the ONLY politician standing up against all of this war nonsense.

    Well, OK, maybe Robert Byrd, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders…

    Who else?

    • #24 by brewski on June 20, 2013 - 7:33 am

      I actually like Bernie Sanders on several issues.

      “What I do not support is, under the guise of immigrant reform, a process pushed by large corporations which results in more unemployment and lower wages for American workers.”

      “Furthermore, as someone who was led to believe that what economics was about was supply and demand, if you need workers in a certain area, you need to raise wages. I have a hard time understanding the notion that there’s a severe need for more workers from abroad when wages for these jobs rose only 4.5 percent between 2000 and 2011. You see stagnant wages for high skilled workers, when these companies tell you that they desperately need high skilled workers. Why not raise wages to attract those workers?”

      “The bottom line is that I feel, very much, that a lot of the initiative behind these guest workers programs, a very large expansion of guest worker programs — H2B visas would go up to as many as 195,000, H1B to as many as 205,000 a year — is coming from large corporations who want cheap labor from abroad. Absolutely, there is a need for foreign labor. I recognize that in agriculture and certain areas in the high tech industry, you need foreign labor. But this is a massive effort to attract cheap labor, a great disservice to American workers.”

      Bernie Sanders channels brewski.

      • #25 by Larry Bergan on June 20, 2013 - 5:51 pm

        The immigration issue is very complex. I sure don’t understand what to do. Bernie Sanders is one of the best we have, and should be listened to.

        • #26 by brewski on June 20, 2013 - 9:53 pm

          It’s not complex when you send your kid to school and he is the only English speaking kid in the class and his teacher tells you she doesn’t have any time left to teach him at all since she has to spend all her effort on the illegal immigrants.

          • #27 by cav on June 21, 2013 - 6:59 am

            brewski, that is a sad state of affairs, for reasons having nothing at all to do with race. Perhaps, if you look at your child’s experience as ‘immersion’ in Spanish language education, you could begin to view it as the preparation it is for life in a predominantly Hispanic nation. ‘Our’ (immigrants since 1492) destiny,

          • #28 by brewski on June 22, 2013 - 2:12 pm

            If it was an immersion program where the non-English speaking kids learned Spanish along with their regular curriculum then that would have huge merit. But that is not the case here. The English kids are told to go sit in a corner by themselves and learn nothing while the other kids spend a few years catching up. Also, if I got to choose which language my kid learned in an enrichment program, it would be Mandarin and not Spanish. But I don’t get that choice.

          • #29 by cav on June 22, 2013 - 5:51 pm

            I think the edu system as it has come to be degraded (teaching to the test, monstrous class sizes, etc.) is a real problem.

            In my case, my youngest just graduated HS, escaping before ramifications of the declining system hit too solidly. I fear for the child who’s just entering.

            None of it has to be as they are making it. But, you know, Austerity. A damned shame.

          • #30 by Larry Bergan on June 22, 2013 - 6:11 pm

            It’s hard to believe, but some of these bastards are actually dismantling the school systems that most people rely on.

            “Not often, do we ask; Is our children learning”
            ~George W. Bush

            What about de-funding the fucking wars! That’s what is not being asked!

          • #31 by cav on June 22, 2013 - 7:03 pm

            Dumbed-down soldier-fodder, pundits and congress critters. Third door on the right.

            It’s being asked for – only ignored. What’s new? Seems they’re too focused on the ‘rule of Law’. Snerk

            In its first months in office, the Obama administration sought to protect Bush administration officials facing criminal investigation overseas for their involvement in establishing policies the that governed interrogations of detained terrorist suspects.

            An April 17, 2009, cable sent from the US embassy in Madrid to the State Department—one of the 251,287 cables obtained by WikiLeaks—details how the Obama administration, working with Republicans, leaned on Spain to derail this potential prosecution.

            http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/wikileaks-obama-pressured-spain-dropp

          • #32 by Larry Bergan on June 22, 2013 - 7:40 pm

            No doubt about it! We live in a society where a publication called “Crooks and Liars” has the real news, and the old, formerly respected outlets are involved in scattering our brains all over the road.

            The truth is the truth, and our “leaders” are never going to expose each other for the REAL crimes they’ve been committing, because it involves nearly ALL of them. I guess you could say the congress has a 1% at the bottom of influence, just like the rest of Americans do.

            This is one hell of a mess!

            Nobody will need to wiretap me to know the way I feel, because I just said it.

          • #33 by brewski on June 22, 2013 - 9:49 pm

            The class sizes I grew up in were much higher than today’s.

            Pupil/Teacher Ratio
            For public schools, the number of pupils per FTE teacher—that is, the pupil/teacher ratio—declined from 22.3 in 1970 to 17.9 in 1985. After 1985, the public school pupil/teacher ratio continued to decline, reaching 17.2 in 1989. After a period of relative stability during the late 1980s through the mid-1990s, the ratio declined from 17.3 in 1995 to 16.0 in 2000. Decreases have continued since then, and the public school pupil/teacher ratio was 15.4 in 2009.

          • #34 by Larry Bergan on June 22, 2013 - 10:04 pm

            brewski:

            We all know what is causing the student/teacher ratio to decline. It’s not the immigrants!

            Dammit!

            It’s ALEC!

            Want me to prove it!

          • #35 by cav on June 23, 2013 - 12:11 am

            I hadn’t checked teacher/pupil ratios, so I commend your having done so.

            I’ll only speculate that the downturn in the quality of our education system stems from the typical impacts of ‘late stage capitalism’.

            Can I get any lamer? Probably not. It’s late.

          • #36 by Larry Bergan on June 23, 2013 - 12:31 am

            I’m only wondering what happened to brewski’s noodle, however I an concerned about the proliferation of people who are not of my color.

            The FACT that other white people have treated them poorly is not the fault of the 60′s generation.

            We are all people, and we can get along; but if you want us to stop being scared of you…

            STOP HAVING CHILDREN!

            I’m a little drunk, but I’m coherent.

            Methinks.

            I think children of ANY color are beautiful, but the world has limits…

            Oh. fuck it!

            You decide!

          • #37 by brewski on June 23, 2013 - 12:14 pm

            The decline in our education is because of culture. It takes three legs of a stool to make education work. Teachers, students and parents. If teachers do a great job and students don’t want to put in the work and the parents don’t make them, then it doesn’t matter how great of a teacher you have or a school you have. It will still fail. So you can have highly paid teachers, small class sizes, all the latest technology, and the kids will still not learn anything.

          • #38 by cav on June 23, 2013 - 1:53 pm

            More likely is you have stressed out teachers, divorced and/or struggling parents, and malnourished young people.

            Counterpointed by privilege and economic abundance- which will definitely skew a statistic or two.

          • #39 by brewski on June 23, 2013 - 7:28 pm

            Ask a teacher in an underperforming school about the attitudes of the parents and kids.

          • #40 by cav on June 23, 2013 - 8:15 pm

            As a teacher in the swank burb you wrote about in Washington DC.

            I think we may have discovered another one of those divides where statistics can be seen in various ways.

          • #41 by cav on June 23, 2013 - 9:59 pm

            Ask a teacher…

            And it said ;no writing errors were found.. Pshawww!

          • #42 by cav on June 23, 2013 - 10:26 pm

            Once upon a time the business community valued an educated workforce and supported the state funding its public schools and universities for that very purpose. Now, with so many jobs shipped overseas, that support is gone, leaving higher education to those who were lucky enough to get theirs before the ladder got retracted for those coming after.

            I don’t blame people for wanting the best for their kids but I fault the larger society for withdrawing its support for those less privileged having the kind of shot I had at it.

        • #43 by brewski on June 24, 2013 - 2:48 pm

          We spend we spend we spend.
          http://www.hamiltonproject.org/images/uploads/thp_image_uploads/charts/spending_per_pupil_large.png

          That does not mean it is being spent well or that there is any lack of “support”.

  10. #44 by Larry Bergan on June 20, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    cav’s comment at #20 is worth rereading!

    It’s good to know that an online publication called “Digital Journal”, (which everybody will see because of it’s high profile in American journalism :)”, is telling the truth about one of America’s biggest failures in accountability, probably best personified by Dick Cheney on last Sunday’s morning “news” shows.

    I have something to add here. The telecom CEO that refused to wiretap Americans 7 MONTHS PRIOR TO THE ATTACKS ON 911, was featured in an article by The Washington Post. The interesting thing to me is that the article actually does put his allegations in print, but the article is completely dominated by allegations of HIS insider trading.

    Gee, you don’t think this may be another case of silencing A HERO with unrelated, and probably false, criminal charges, do you?

    I’m such a cynical guy these days, but how many times does this have to happen.

  11. #45 by cav on June 23, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    Steve Simels

    “You know what’s ultimately the most depressing about all this NSA and “turn in your co-workers” crap?

    The Republicans are self-destructing faster than anybody could have dared hope. If we had a progressive Democratic party establishment that didn’t totally suck, now would have been the time to really get shit done that could have made the country and the world a vastly better place..

    Obama’s biggest failing, in the end, will be that he pissed away the greatest opportunities handed to a president in my lifetime, either by incompetence or – as I am more and more convinced- by design.”

  12. #46 by Larry Bergan on June 23, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    Obama had all three branches of the government despite the “voting” machines.

    To say he pissed it all away, is the understatement of the century!

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