ALEC Gets Off

I haven’t been following it, but I’ve heard the Zimmerman trial has been all over the cable networks, which I canceled years ago when my local outlet decided I needed to get a box in order to get a C-Span channel I already had.

Maybe somebody can tell me, but did the “American Legislative Exchange Council” come up in the trial or on the cable coverage?

Was Zimmerman emboldened to shoot his gun due to legislation passed in multiple states, due to secretive ALEC legislation?

As an American, I believe these are questions that need to be asked.

You don’t need to depend on me. You can get your information from one of the best journalists left in America:

Update: I’ve had a request to provide the transcript to the Bill Moyers program. You can find it here.

  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on July 12, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    I’ve actually been trying to avoid watching the trial. Very little entertainment value IMHO. Of course, Perry Mason never had to make a boring closing argument – for him, the guilty party always confessed on the witness stand during cross-examination!

    I believe the prosecution did introduce evidence that Zimmerman took courses and learned enough to be an expert on how to get away with murder under the “stand your ground” law. I don’t know if ALEC was mentioned.

  2. #2 by Larry Bergan on July 12, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    ALEC and Zimmerman took a deep breath, and exhaled a big sigh of relief. What else could you expect.

    On to the next futile distraction.

    Please watch the video in the post above! Please!

  3. #3 by cav on July 14, 2013 - 12:34 am

    Trayvon totally ruined George’s life.

    • #4 by Larry Bergan on July 14, 2013 - 12:51 am


      Even with the “vindication” of ALEC and Zimmerman, I would rather be Trayvon.

      Strange, how things work out.

  4. #5 by Richard Warnick on July 14, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Zimmerman “not guilty.” But why do I think that Trayvon Martin would still be alive if he was white? Defense put the victim on trial, said he was “armed” — with the concrete sidewalk!

  5. #6 by cav on July 14, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Now it is a sanctioned strategy for concealed-carry permit holders / Stand Your Ground states. Pick a fight with someone and when they defend themselves, you get to blow them away! IOW Never bring a sidewalk to a gun-fight.

    Is this a great country or what!?!

    • #7 by Larry Bergan on July 14, 2013 - 5:30 pm

      Never bring a sidewalk to a gunfight. 🙂

      Only you could come up with something like that cav. I like it.

  6. #8 by Richard Warnick on July 14, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    Another great day for the Second Amendment: Weapon Used To Kill Trayvon Martin Will Be Returned

    • #9 by Larry Bergan on July 14, 2013 - 5:28 pm


      That certainly sends a message.

      I thought juries had twelve people, not six. I wonder what went on in there.

  7. #10 by cav on July 14, 2013 - 8:32 pm

    Of all the FUBAR moments of the Obama presidency, the Zimmerman verdict, and the incandescent glee with which it has been met by racist America, is a tombstone for the notion that Obama’s election held a promise for a better future.

    His “there is only one America” speech now reads like the words of a crazy person.

    • #11 by Larry Bergan on July 14, 2013 - 9:31 pm

      I’m sticking with something I said somewhere. Dick – grab you by the balls, because he can – Cheney, is still in charge.

      I have no way of knowing, but I once got grabbed in the balls by somebody whose mother got him a place in the play, who didn’t respect me.

      It hurt like hell, but no limbs were lost!

      Maybe Cheney has something to say here. 🙂

  8. #12 by Ken on July 14, 2013 - 9:35 pm

    I had discovered this today and it was shocking to me too. I thought Stand Your Ground was part of the Zimmerman defence but Zimmerman waived Stand Your Ground to mount a purely self defence strategy. Stand Your Ground played no part in the trial nor the conviction. It is a non-issue in this trial.

    Any civil action could be a different story however.

    Zimmerman waives ‘stand your ground’ defense — for now

    • #13 by Larry Bergan on July 14, 2013 - 9:51 pm

      Well, if I was standing against almost every corporation in America, I would probably waive something, and it would not be a flag. 🙂

    • #14 by Richard Warnick on July 14, 2013 - 9:53 pm

      Apparently in Florida the use of lethal force for self-defense is allowed by law even when your (now deceased) alleged attacker didn’t use lethal force. I don’t know if ALEC had anything to do with that one. Anyway, the only person who knows exactly how Trayvon Martin died never testified in court.

      • #15 by Larry Bergan on July 14, 2013 - 10:07 pm

        ALEC has a lot to do with a lot of bad things that have happened to a lot of Americans.

        Probably not the best sentence ever constructed, but just watch the Moyers video above…


        • #16 by Richard Warnick on July 15, 2013 - 9:02 am

          That’s almost an hour-long video. Is there a transcript? Can you summarize it?

        • #17 by Larry Bergan on July 15, 2013 - 6:34 pm


          Amy Goodman and Bill Moyers always provide a transcript. You can see it here, but I think it’s always best to watch peoples faces as they talk.

          I’ll update the post though. Thanks!

          • #18 by Richard Warnick on July 16, 2013 - 9:12 am

            Thanks for the link, and here it is in a nutshell:

            In state houses around the country, hundreds of pieces of boilerplate ALEC legislation are proposed or enacted that would, among other things, dilute collective bargaining rights, make it harder for some Americans to vote, and limit corporate liability for harm caused to consumers — each accomplished without the public ever knowing who’s behind it. Using interviews, documents, and field reporting, the episode explores ALEC’s self-serving machine at work, acting in a way one Wisconsin politician describes as “a corporate dating service for lonely legislators and corporate special interests.”

          • #19 by Larry Bergan on July 16, 2013 - 6:58 pm

            It was a great experience to see many of the people featured in Bill Moyers segment speak in person. I got the last question of the evening in, and to my delight the brave lady who received and exposed the ALEC documents, (Lisa Graves), stepped up to the microphone to answer.

            My question was: How far back does the document dump go, and although I realize ALEC always works on a local basis, could it have had any influence on the HAVA act? She told me the documents only went back to 1995 – ALEC was formed in 1973 – and told me she didn’t think the organization was involved in HAVA, but she’d check into it.

            Bob Edgar, who is now, sadly, deceased gave a fantastic speech that started out similar to an Occupy Wall Street mic-check. He really got the crowd going!

            What impressed me greatly, is that all these people who spoke are traveling around the country and even to little-ol-Utah to inform Americans of the dangers ALEC poses. They couldn’t have been paid very well to do that. I totally salute them for taking the time out of their lives to do that!

  9. #20 by Richard Warnick on July 15, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” (also known as “Shoot First” or “Kill at Will”) law grants Zimmerman immunity from a wrongful death lawsuit. Florida’s law, drafted by the NRA, was the model for ALEC’s similar legislation enacted in nearly two dozen states.

    • #21 by Larry Bergan on July 16, 2013 - 11:35 pm

      It would be instructive to know how much money was pumped into Zimmerman’s defense; and from where.

  10. #22 by Larry Bergan on July 15, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    ALEC has absolutely no business in government. What is being lost in the discussion is that ALEC only supports corporations:

    Period; exclamation point.!

    They don’t like poor people – and especially old people – of ANY color or race unless they can drain their last dollar as they die: an obvious reference to Bill Frist can’t be avoided here.

    I will continue to have fun, any way I can.

    • #24 by Larry Bergan on July 17, 2013 - 2:51 pm

      I would love to have been at that protest. I know that most whites are sympathetic to the unjust way that some of our citizens are treated.

      The media always tries to stir up trouble and division, but I don’t believe the story it tells.

      Governor Scott is a one man freak show. I don’t believe he got elected legitimately.

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