Vote Count: John Boehner Could Reopen The Government Immediately


Right now, President Obama is meeting with House Speaker John Boehner to discuss how to end the Republican Shutdown. Boehner can do it whenever he wants to. Until he does, parents with kids in Head Start, women and children who rely on WIC, kids with cancer, Grand Canyon river runners, NASA rocket scientists, disabled veterans, people who eat food inspected by the FDA, half the Defense Department’s civilian employees, and tens of millions of other Americans are going to hate him. Wonder what that feels like?

Via HuffPo:

WASHINGTON — In the hours since the government shut down, House Republicans have slowly but steadily been coming forward to say they’re ready to pass a bill to fund the government with no strings attached.

As of Wednesday afternoon, the number of those Republicans hit 19 — surpassing the magic 17 votes needed to pass a clean funding bill if all 200 Democrats stick together and team up with them. Of course, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would have to be willing to put that bill on the floor in the first place. But if he did, the votes appear to be there for passage, at which point the bill would sail through the Senate and be signed by President Barack Obama, ending the shutdown.

The Dems have already caved on the austerity budgeting issue (aka The Sequester). They are not in the mood to grant any further concessions to the Tea-GOP.

UPDATE: Speaker Boehner just emerged from a 90 minute meeting at the White House. He’s not willing to end the Republican Shutdown yet.

UPDATE: House GOP Blocks Vote On Re-opening Government

UPDATE: Shutdown Impasse Deepens As Boehner Rebuffs Dem Proposal

UPDATE: Jon Walker on FDL:

Nothing is really happening because this entire crisis is just waiting for Speaker John Boehner to crack. This shutdown ends the second Boehner puts a clean continuing resolution on the floor. At that point it will be approved overwhelmingly in the House. Until that happens though nothing of meaning is taking place.

UPDATE: Fox News Got GOP Into Shutdown Mess, But It Can’t Get The GOP Out

  1. #1 by Richard Warnick on October 2, 2013 - 5:42 pm

    Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) on the Republican Shutdown:

    “We’re very excited. It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

  2. #2 by Richard Warnick on October 2, 2013 - 5:56 pm

    Amanda Marcotte on Raw Story:

    Republicans are trying to convince everyone that they hate this shutdown and wish it weren’t happening, which of course flies directly in the face of their repeated gleeful celebrations of the shutdown that indicate that they fucking love this because anything that pisses off the liberals and hurts poor people is a win in their book.

    …The fact of the matter is Boehner probably could stop the shutdown tomorrow morning if he wants. He has the votes. They won’t because they don’t want to reopen the government. They want to punish us for daring to defy them and voting how we want instead of how they told us to vote.

    • #3 by Nathan Erkkila on October 3, 2013 - 4:48 am

      That’s a very piss-poor way of doing it. After all, they have nothing to gain from this and the GOP does have things to lose. They lost 6 heavily gerrymandered districts in 2012 and their base is dying of old age.

  3. #4 by Larry Bergan on October 2, 2013 - 6:19 pm

    Now I’m ticked!

    NASA’s “astronomy picture of the day” site is down. And you can bet they’re still using government money to spy on us.

  4. #5 by Richard Warnick on October 3, 2013 - 8:49 am

    Steve Benen sums up the situation:

    * The House and Senate already agree on spending levels.

    * The Senate passed a spending bill that enjoys bipartisan support in the House.

    * If the House passed the Senate bill, the shutdown would be over.

    * House Republican leaders won’t allow a vote on the Senate bill because they say an unrelated law, the Affordable Care Act, is hurting the economy.

    * The Affordable Care Act, as has been proven many times, is not hurting the economy.

    The Republican shutdowns of 1995 and 1996 were awful, but they weren’t nearly as ridiculous.

  5. #6 by Richard Warnick on October 3, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Watching President Obama just now on live TV, speaking to an enthusiastic crowd: Dems have already compromised by agreeing to a CR with the spending levels demanded by the GOP. Speaker Boehner should bring this to the House floor for a yes-or-no vote, and we could reopen the U.S. government in 30 minutes.

    “Take a vote, end this farce, and stop this shutdown right now!”

    Responding to Republican threats to default on the National Debt, President Obama said that would cause an “economic shutdown.” There will be no negotiations, he said.

    I flipped over to Faux News Channel, and they are ignoring the President’s speech.

  6. #7 by Richard Warnick on October 3, 2013 - 10:21 am

    Another thought. What makes this crisis scary is that Boehner and the Tea-GOP don’t really know what they want in exchange for ending the Republican Shutdown. The Republicans know President Obama won’t give up the ACA, but they can’t agree on another demand.

    For their part, the Dems have already given the other party all they can possibly give on the budget. And it starts to look like any negotiation would be futile because the Tea-GOP will come back again and again with more shutdowns and threats.

    Aide: Boehner suggested grand budget bargain to White House and ‘everybody laughed at him’

    • #8 by Glenden Brown on October 3, 2013 - 10:42 am

      Richard, did you see the quote from Marlin Stutzman, Republican of Indiana?

      “We’re not going to be disrespected,” Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

      The Republican party is apparently being run by aggressive simpletons.

      • #9 by Richard Warnick on October 3, 2013 - 12:16 pm

        President Obama quoted that guy in his speech today. It shows the GOP has gotten themselves (and the nation) into a situation they don’t know how to get out of.

        • #10 by brewski on October 3, 2013 - 2:24 pm

          Ask yourself, how did we get here.

          • #11 by cav on October 3, 2013 - 3:44 pm

            Well duh. Just read the comment below summing Charlie Pierce,

          • #12 by brewski on October 3, 2013 - 4:56 pm

            I don’t think Pierce is correct.
            It is a much bigger problem than what he says.

          • #13 by Richard Warnick on October 3, 2013 - 5:48 pm

            Tea-GOP, gerrymandering, Party of NO, obstruction, manufactured crises, economic sabotage, Obama derangement… SHUTDOWN.

          • #14 by brewski on October 3, 2013 - 5:59 pm

            And who created the Tea Party? Where did they get all that power from? How was it that they were in the position to do gerrymandering? Where did all that power come from?

            They wouldn’t exist if it had not been for the Obama/Pelosi/Reid thuggery.

            They made the Tea Party what it is.

            You reap what you sow.

          • #15 by Richard Warnick on October 3, 2013 - 6:16 pm

            Who created the Tea Party? It was Bush twenty-percenters, Faux News Channel, the Koch brothers, FreedomWorks, and Americans for Prosperity. Common knowledge. They wanted to impeach President Obama before Inauguration Day 2009.

          • #16 by brewski on October 3, 2013 - 7:42 pm

            The Tea Partiers are pretty anti-Bush so that makes no sense at all. You just make shit up.

            They are also very much against a lot of the Koch brothers’ narrative. So your whole post is completely ignorant.

            Any more ways to embarrass yourself?

          • #17 by Richard Warnick on October 4, 2013 - 9:47 am

            Got any links to back up your claims? No, of course not.

            Everybody who self-identifies as Tea Partyer voted for Bush twice, and a majority of them still loved Bush even after the Wall Street bailout. They know Bush was a failure, that’s why they specialize in re-branding themselves, and blaming President Obama for the consequences of the Bush administration’s catastrophes.

          • #18 by brewski on October 4, 2013 - 12:07 pm

            I already did.
            Kid, don’t waste my time asking me to do things I’ve already done.
            Try to pick up your game. You are boring me.

          • #19 by Richard Warnick on October 4, 2013 - 1:58 pm


            You can’t defend the suicide caucus. You’re not even trying.

        • #20 by brewski on October 4, 2013 - 2:33 pm

          Obama made them.

          • #21 by cav on October 5, 2013 - 11:36 am

            Now who’s boring who?

          • #22 by brewski on October 5, 2013 - 11:30 pm

            Truth can be boring. But it is still the truth.

          • #23 by cav on October 6, 2013 - 10:46 am

            The truth is: Blackmail and extortion have been “normalized” as tools of (anti-)government policy. But, the other side are monsters, so I guess that’s just life.

          • #24 by cav on October 6, 2013 - 11:10 am

            Boehner is doubling down on stupid:

            “We are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase,” Boehner told Stephanopoulos, The comment is a reversal for Boehner, who has previously counseled Republicans that they must deal with the debt-ceiling vote “as adults” and act responsibly in paying for the spending Congress had previously authorized.”


  7. #25 by cav on October 3, 2013 - 11:44 am

    As usual, Pierce cuts thru the crap to get to the meat:

    “This is the unspoken subtext of what the vandalism is all about. This is the real motivation behind all the tri-cornered hats and the incantations about liberty and all the conjuring words that have summoned up the latest crisis in our democracy. Corporate money is the power behind all of it, and that corporate money has but one goal — the creation of a largely subjugated population and a workforce grateful for whatever scraps fall from the table. To accomplish this, the corporate money not only had to disable the institutions of self-government that are the people’s only real protection, it had to do so in such a way that the people expect less and less of the government and, therefore, less and less of each other, acting in the interest of the political commonwealth. (The dismantling of organized labor is a sideshow to the main event in that the goal there was to cripple organized labor’s political power within the political institutions so that there would be no countervailing force that could be brought to bear against the destruction of its power in the workplace.) For all the endless bloviation about the dead-hand of government, what the vandals in Washington are shooting for right now is a subject population whose tattered freedoms depend on the whimsical ethics of the American corporate class. This is the really deep game being played here, and they’re more than halfway to winning it.”

    The Kochs are THRILLED with what they’ve wrought. The more dysfunctional government is, the more corporations can move in and take over the areas government has ceded. And they will take it all, from your Social Security to your drinking water.

    What all of the pundits inevitably fail to point out is that a solid segment in the polls consists of Americans who oppose Obamacare because they want full Medicare for all, or what is called single-payer – a far more efficient, accessible, and simple system with better outcomes and opportunities for disease and injury prevention. Under single-payer, everybody is in, nobody is out, with free choice of doctor and hospital. (Visit

  8. #26 by cav on October 3, 2013 - 12:13 pm


    The president also mocked Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) for saying Wednesday that his party has “to get something out of” the shutdown fight, even though he doesn’t “know what that even is.”

    “You have already gotten the opportunity to serve the American people. There’s no higher honor than that,” Obama said to applause. “You’ve already gotten the opportunity to help businesses like this one. Workers like these. So the American people aren’t in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it. What you get is our intelligence professionals being back on the job. What you get is our medical researchers back on the job. What you get are little kids back in the head start.”

  9. #27 by cav on October 3, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    The Democrats and the Republicans in Congress:

    R: Can I burn down your house?
    D: No
    R: Just the 2nd floor?
    D: No
    R: Garage?
    D: No
    R: Let’s talk about what I can burn down.
    D: No
    D: -__-

  10. #28 by Larry Bergan on October 3, 2013 - 10:28 pm

    Kentucky – unlike Utah – has expanded Medicade and governor Steve Beshear lays out the reasons why his state is supporting Obamacare in this New York Times article called:

    My State Needs Obamacare. Now.

    Come-on Utah, we can do better.

    • #30 by cav on October 6, 2013 - 6:19 pm

      We insist you negotiate with us. We, of course, see no reason to be negotiable ourselves.

      Therein lies the problem.

      Goose, meet Gander.

      • #31 by Richard Warnick on October 7, 2013 - 12:47 am

        I think President Obama is right to point out that he and the Dems don’t need to play let’s-make-a-deal to reopen the U.S. government through November, or obtain a routine debt limit increase.

        It’s true that right-wing Republicans decimated our economy in 2008 and somehow managed to gain a political advantage from that. Also, the GOP has seemingly gotten away with various acts of economic sabotage, from crippling the ARRA to making the Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich permanent, to imposing an austerity budget.

        This time they have gone too far.

  11. #32 by brewski on October 7, 2013 - 8:28 am

    “You do have to wonder about the wisdom of an organization that would use staff they don’t have the money to pay, to evict visitors from a park site that operates without costing them any money.”
    Managing Director Anna Eberly, Claude Moore Colonial Farm

  12. #33 by Frank Kafka on October 7, 2013 - 9:45 am

    What’s the problem? The federal government is working perfectly that it isn’t costing us money. Bwaahaa!

    I suspect this is only the beginning, and ‘ain’t seen nothing’ yet.

    • #34 by Nathan Erkkila on October 7, 2013 - 2:44 pm

      So what you’re saying is that we can’t go into parks or send people into space, save cancer patients lives with experimental medicine, control disease outbreaks, fund schools or museums, but at least we don’t have to pay?

    • #35 by Richard Warnick on October 7, 2013 - 9:52 pm

      In the real world, the Republican Shutdown means the deficit will be bigger than it would have been without a shutdown.

  13. #36 by Frank Kafka on October 7, 2013 - 10:08 am

    Here is what people are seeing, this is how the feds are endearing themselves to the populace. Obama is walking right into the classic Sam Adams protocol he advised, since there is nothing for stemming the abuses of government, there is little left but to allow to act out like the filthy animal it is..

    • #37 by Nathan Erkkila on October 7, 2013 - 2:45 pm

      Oh right because shutting down the government worked for well for the reps before.

  14. #38 by news flash on October 7, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    Hey earlikker or whatever there, the feds haven’t been able to put anyone into space for while now. That’s Russia’s job now, has been for quite a while, since the feds piece of crap shuttle blew up repeatedly killing all aboard….is that the runamok government you want to pay for and are supporting?

    Try to keep up. I suspect most of obamacare is big pharma’s way of trapping Americans into their monopoly overpriced ripoff before the revelations of simple inexpensive cures for all manner of disease is discovered by the masses and corporately controlled sickcare is kicked to the curb…cheers

  15. #39 by cav on October 7, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    I thought we were in space, that what was required was that we pull our collective heads from our posteriors and come up with a way for our craft to continue to sustain us.

    Instead, we frack, crack, break our mother’s back.

    We’re essentially kicking our own selves to the curb, and taking the planet with us. The stupid…it burns.

  16. #40 by cav on October 7, 2013 - 5:27 pm

  17. #42 by Frank Kafka on October 7, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Ah, the track attack..Hey guess what drivers? Not that changes the price any in a corporate fascist controlled monopoly nation where morons want even more of the same, now for sick care..but hello!! The US became the # 1 producer of oil in the world this year at 22 billion barrels of domestic production..we beat #2 Russia at 500 million barrels less…at least we win that after Putin making Obama look like the total jackass he is..people around the world still haven’t stopped laughing. Now Obama whines like a 3 yr old while the American people are finally waking up and so have his number…1_800 loooser..

  18. #43 by Frank Kafka on October 7, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    That’s the frack attack…damn querty, have to keep up with it..

  19. #44 by Frank Kafka on October 8, 2013 - 11:18 am

    Richard Warnick :
    In the real world, the Republican Shutdown means the deficit will be bigger than it would have been without a shutdown.

    Good humor richard..the government does not pay its bills for very long time will never make good on the debt it has incurred, except via hyperinflation or its most favored method..simple murder via war.

    You shill for more of the same, so you are pretty disgusting to read. The future is forecast by past history, and anyone who can make reason to keep this ponzi scheme afloat needs their head examined, which if you have any money at all,… and most Americans have paycheck to paycheck..misguided by a government that has allowed the economy to be shipped overseas while the goon squads come home in boxes, or languish here at home without care until many just decide to kill themselves for the 400 k so their families won’t STARVE!!

    You have to be some kind of sick bastard to continue shilling for this…don’t you see?

    The Fat Lady is singing….the show is about OVER!

    • #45 by Richard Warnick on October 8, 2013 - 11:39 am

      It’s my pleasure to bring a dose of reality to the right-wing fantasy.

  20. #46 by Frank Kafka on October 8, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    Richard Warnick :
    It’s my pleasure to bring a dose of reality to the right-wing fantasy.’s the left living the fantasy..from 7 trillion in new debt from the left and drone murder policies, ndaa, and now the obamacare fiasco…I would remind you who is winning in this, and it sure isn’t king obama the Petulant…

    The dose of reality will smack America square in the face soon enough now as Russia under Putin has agreed to supply China with all the oil and gas it needs to grow..and be paid in Renminbi.

    We, as in our government, are actually totally broke, and fabrication of dollars will now have no positive effect, and will only hasten its demise. Mate that with a pathetic and ineffectual executive and the die is cast. The US government will fall…and very hard at that. It’s only savior is the establishment of police state with terror goons in the form of police..and that commences apace as we speak.

    Even with that desperate ploy in play..the American public is humorless, the full faith and credit of the US government after 14 years of pathological lying and abject murder, completely destroyed….

    • #47 by Richard Warnick on October 8, 2013 - 4:16 pm

      The Republican “suicide caucus” is doing its thing. If the election were held today, the Dems would pick up 30 House seats.

      • #48 by brewski on October 8, 2013 - 9:10 pm

        If the election were held today, Obama would be a community organizer.

  21. #49 by Frank Kafka on October 8, 2013 - 10:37 pm

    You are dreaming Richard, the dems will be lucky to survive this should really get out from behind the screen and actually talk to people…there is no faith in government, except for those waiting on their gimmees.
    The leaders of the dems from pelosi, reid, and feinstein are about cooked for their stances on a variety of issues..a quick look at rather liberal Colorado and the amazing success of the recall efforts accomplished and yet underway, should clue you in as to what is coming for the democrat party…

    Though from what I have read here from you..clues aren’t much your thing..

    • #50 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2013 - 10:06 am

      If the Dems could give up moving right all the time and taking up Republican causes, maybe progressives would vote for them.

      The NRA gamed the system in Colorado. They never had a recall election until recently, and big money/low turnout did the trick.

  22. #51 by cav on October 9, 2013 - 11:16 am

    Convertible debentures!! . . . it’s time to give them another try!

  23. #52 by Frank Kafka on October 9, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    I so love the cognitive consonance involved with progressive overstepping and then the subsequent ass kicking. I live there, and can tell you that from the moments these democrat idiots stepped off, they created a huge rage in the people who elected them in the first place.
    I am very happy that you believe the progressive boar’s tripe about what has occurred and will occur again directly ahead. It leaves progressive tactically in the weeds on refeed.. Believing their own bullshit.

    Bottom line,…those fools are gone.

  24. #53 by brewski on October 9, 2013 - 6:39 pm

    1. The senate gym is open

    2. The pentagon executive dining room is open

    3. The commissary at HAFB is open

    4. Death benefits to the families of KIA’a are being denied.

    Time for someone to resign in disgrace.

    • #54 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2013 - 8:14 pm

      Speaker Boehner can resign, but why would anyone else want his job so long as the Tea-GOP is calling the shots?

      • #55 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2013 - 8:18 pm

        Mitt Romney can turn any failure into big bucks.

        That’s who.

      • #56 by brewski on October 9, 2013 - 8:34 pm

        The Chief Executive has determined that dead heroes are less important than dishwashers in the commissary.

        • #57 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2013 - 8:42 pm

          Um, we have the video of the Pentagon briefing the press BEFORE the Republican Shutdown, warning that death benefits, as a matter of law, could not be paid if there was a lapse in appropriations. Also, the Tea-GOP had a chance to fix this when they passed a bill to pay the military, but they didn’t.

          • #58 by brewski on October 9, 2013 - 10:00 pm

            But the commissary at HAFB, as a matter of law, stays open?

            Show me the matter of law which says that the HAFB commissary has priority over dead heroes.

            I will wait.

          • #59 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2013 - 10:14 pm

            Hill AFB commissary closed on October 1 when the Republicans shut down the federal government, and reopened October 7. At Hill Air Force Base, all 2,700 furloughed workers were ordered to return to duty. They are working without pay. Does that answer your ignorant question?

          • #60 by Richard Warnick on October 9, 2013 - 10:21 pm

            Shinseki: Shutdown Means Veterans Will Not Get Benefits

            Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki warned lawmakers on Wednesday that the partial government shutdown means that about 3.8 million veterans will not receive disability compensation next month.

            Shinseki, in testimony before the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, said pensions to more than half a million vets or surviving spouses will also be derailed if the stalemate over a temporary spending measure drags on into late October.

            The Republican Shutdown is the first federal government shutdown during wartime. Shameless.

          • #61 by brewski on October 10, 2013 - 8:18 am

            Are the waiters in the pentagon executive dining room working without pay?

            Are the employees keeping the senate gym open working without pay?

            Is Obama working without pay?

            Obama has illegally closed numerous private businesses who receive no appropriations and pay rent to the federal government. Obama just wants to hurt the little people. That is what Statist Authoritarians do.

          • #62 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2013 - 8:43 am

            The Republican Shutdown can be ended within 15 minutes, by a roll-call vote of the House of Representatives. Why is Speaker Boehner not allowing a vote?

          • #63 by brewski on October 10, 2013 - 9:15 am

            Thank you Mrs. Wasserman-Schultz

          • #64 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2013 - 9:39 am

            It’s true, though. Put the “clean” CR on the House floor and the Republican Shutdown is over. Also, the GOP can declare victory because they keep the austerity budget in place!

          • #65 by brewski on October 10, 2013 - 10:29 am

            We do not have a king in this country. Read the Constitution. Appropriations come from the House. Obama created the Tea Party so he is going to have to sleep in the bed he made for himself.

            Austerity budget? Are you kidding me?

            “The deficit in 2013 would equal $669 billion (or 4.2 percent of gross domestic product, GDP), $27 billion more than the amount projected in CBO’s baseline.
            In 2014, the deficit would increase slightly in nominal terms, to $675 billion (or 4.1 percent of GDP).”

            Spending $675B more than you take in is not austerity in any non delusional basis. Take your meds.

            It is the Obama Shutdown under the Richard Warnick Rule.

          • #66 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2013 - 11:42 am

            Speaker Boehner, and Boehner alone can re-open the U.S. government. That’s why it’s the Republican Shutdown.

            Jon Stewart told the GOP, “Own it. Don’t fart and point at the dog.”

          • #67 by brewski on October 10, 2013 - 12:16 pm

            The House passed a bill and sent it to the senate. End of story.

          • #68 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2013 - 3:14 pm

            Charles and David Koch sent a letter to their employees on Capitol Hill. That was the end of the story!

            Koch Brothers Abandon Tea Party Government Shutdown Strategy

          • #69 by brewski on October 10, 2013 - 4:33 pm


          • #70 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2013 - 4:42 pm

            You really don’t follow the news? After the Koch brothers letter, Speaker Boehner immediately gave up threatening to default on the National Debt.

          • #71 by brewski on October 10, 2013 - 8:06 pm

            Boehner never once threatened to default on the national debt.

            You are mistaking him for Obama and Lew who have been doing nothing but threatening to default.

            As usual you got it 180 degrees backwards.

          • #72 by Richard Warnick on October 10, 2013 - 8:21 pm

            “We’re not going to pass a clean debt limit increase… I told the president, there’s no way we’re going to pass one. The votes are not in the House to pass a clean debt limit. And the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us.”

            Speaker John Boehner, last Sunday on ABC’s “This Week”

            Luckily it has proved to be an empty threat. The Koch brothers waved the white flag.

          • #73 by brewski on October 11, 2013 - 8:14 am

            That position is no different from the “I won’t negotiate” position of Der Fuhrrer which he has apparently forgotten in 24 hours. Obama must have gotten a letter from his bosses at Goldman Sachs.

          • #74 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2013 - 8:19 am

            Boehner threatened to cause a default on the National Debt. Now he has backed down from the threat.

          • #75 by brewski on October 11, 2013 - 9:19 am


            “he president is risking default by not having a conversation with us.”

          • #76 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2013 - 9:54 am

            Typical Republican tactic of pretending Dems are to blame for what the GOP is doing. It’s gotten pretty old by now.

        • #77 by Larry Bergan on October 9, 2013 - 9:19 pm

          As long as soldiers die and get a flag on their coffin, the Republicans feel like they can hold their heads high. To them, wars are a marketplace, not a necessity.


          Of course, these days, I always have that thorn in my side of the Democrats not being much different. 🙁

        • #78 by brewski on October 11, 2013 - 10:14 am

          Typical Authoritarian tactic. Declaring that you won’t negotiate and then wonder why we have impasse.

          • #79 by Richard Warnick on October 11, 2013 - 10:21 am

            Some “authoritarian,” who negotiates with himself, pre-emptively caves and then desperately tries in vain to get right-wing Republicans to support their own policies. It’s more like unrequited love than authoritarianism. 🙁

  25. #80 by cav on October 10, 2013 - 11:04 am

    As a sometimes Pall Bearer during the Viet Nam war, I saw more than a couple of Merkin flags ripped from atop the coffins of dead husbands by their distraught widows.

    It’s not the bucks – believe me.

    Wars, our chief export, just suck unbelievably / unnecessarily.

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