There was Much Spluttering in Teabagistan

When Cliven Bundy was quoted:

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Ed Kilgore sagely points out:

All I know for sure is that the next ten or a hundred conservative gabbers who claim the only racists in America are liberals who play the “race card” are going to have to deal with Bundy’s example.  They, not liberals, made the man an icon.  Let them explain how his racism is unconnected with all the other reactionary features of his world view, which are pure as ever.


  1. #1 by Nathan Erkkila on April 24, 2014 - 2:29 pm

    Wait. So he can take from the government, but blacks can’t? He’s not only racist, he’s a hypocrite.

    • #2 by Glenden Brown on April 24, 2014 - 4:00 pm

      Who’d’ve thunk it huh?

      Why I love Paul Waldman:

      The conservatives who elevate figures like Robertson and Bundy may not share the full extent of their views on race, but they can’t escape them either. Because those people know which party and which ideology is their natural home. Sure, you may not hear Rush Limbaugh say that black people were better off as slaves, but you’ll hear a lot of other things that make Cliven Bundy nod his head in agreement. You’ll hear him say that Barack Obama’s agenda is “payback” for slavery, a way to stick it to white people. You’ll hear him say that Barack and Michelle Obama’s lavish lifestyle, where they live in a big white house and travel on their own airplanes, isn’t just what presidents do; instead, “they view it as, as an opportunity to live high on the hog without having it cost them a dime. And they justify it by thinking, ‘Well, we deserve this, or we’re owed this because of what’s been done to us and our ancestors all these’ — who knows?” When you watch Fox you’ll see story after story about welfare queens and food stamp cheats and all the other schemers and scammers who are taking your hard-earned money away from you. And you’ll be told, again and again and again, that racism against black people is but a fading memory, while the false accusation of racism is something liberals and blacks use to keep the white man down.

      Conservatives didn’t invent Cliven Bundy, but when he rushed to their embrace they encouraged him and applauded him and made him into a national figure. He’s theirs, down to his last ugly thought.

    • #3 by Joe Nunnally on May 1, 2014 - 2:54 pm

  2. #4 by Richard Warnick on April 24, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    Imagine my surprise to learn that Bundy is still holding forth at daily press conferences.

    • #5 by Larry Bergan on April 24, 2014 - 7:42 pm

      That was a zinger. What’s this guy REALLY thinkin’ about?

  3. #6 by Larry Bergan on April 24, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    I got lost in Las Vegas once. Wasn’t paying attention to where I was driving and got so far away from “The Strip” that I couldn’t see any of the buildings and didn’t know which direction I was headed.

    I’ve not really been around much, but those were the most dilapidated, run down, neighborhoods I’ve ever seen and they went on for miles.

    I’d rather spend time there, then in conversation at the Bundy “ranch”.

    • #7 by Glenden Brown on April 25, 2014 - 8:43 am

      I hear that, Larry!

  4. #8 by Larry Bergan on April 25, 2014 - 7:22 pm

    Pretty funny though. The fake Koch group that supported Bundy is purging everything about him from their social media and I heard Gary Herbert this morning on NPR wishing this idiot would go away because he’s hurting Utah’s attempts to grab the land.

    I’m not positive that the federal government is always going to protect the land the way I want to see it happen, but the local guys scare me more.

  5. #9 by david on May 2, 2014 - 12:21 am

    my favorite part is “THEY put their young men in jail” like it’s something that black folks as a whole do on purpose..

    • #10 by Larry Bergan on May 2, 2014 - 8:16 pm

      I think that interview with Bundy was the worst thing I ever heard. Even the right-wing media went running like hell away from this guy. Never saw anything like it.

  6. #11 by Larry Bergan on May 2, 2014 - 8:46 pm

    Let’s not get too excited about the exodus of the right-wing media from the Bundy stumble, (ALL MEDIA after they get the internet). None of that media will ever mention the fact that the Koch Brothers were involved in this story. It’s not allowed.

    Read William Rivers Pitt’s op-ed at “Truthout” today, here.

    We’re not out of the woods, as far as money power interests go when we talk about handing our precious lands over to oil and other interests in the name of “states rights”. After all, it took Bundy’s stunningly racists remarks to get Gary Herbert out on the podium, saying he was hurting the cause.

    I loved the part of Pitt’s op-ed were he said there is probably still a Hannity shaped hole in the wall at Fox news, but this fight isn’t over.

    • #12 by Richard Warnick on May 3, 2014 - 11:24 am


      Thanks for the link. “MILITA SIGHN IN,” can’t make this stuff up!

      • #13 by Larry Bergan on May 3, 2014 - 11:35 am

        Thank Pitt!

      • #14 by Larry Bergan on May 3, 2014 - 11:50 am

        Is America tired of being a laughing stock?

        I’ve been saying we need new pundits for years now.

        Honestly, let’s roll out the 12 year olds! Let’s start making SOME sense! Mike Lee can hibernate.

        • #15 by brewski on May 3, 2014 - 7:38 pm

          No, we re-elected Obama didn’t we?

        • #16 by Larry Bergan on May 3, 2014 - 8:26 pm

          You wanted Rmoney.

          • #17 by brewski on May 4, 2014 - 1:21 pm

            I did not vote for Romney. Try again.

          • #18 by Larry Bergan on May 4, 2014 - 5:40 pm

            Who did you want more? Rmoney or Obama?

          • #19 by brewski on May 5, 2014 - 1:18 pm


  7. #20 by brewski on May 5, 2014 - 1:19 pm

    • #21 by Cliff on May 5, 2014 - 5:43 pm

      I can’t wait. You self-proclaimed American patriot TeaBaggers are a shit stain on my country.

      God Bless the Immigrants!

      • #22 by cav on May 5, 2014 - 7:57 pm

        Jeez, nuthin’ like calling a shit stain on my country a shit stain on my country.

        For the sake of editorial tripe, ya might consider pulling your punches.

      • #23 by brewski on May 5, 2014 - 9:39 pm

        Cliff, you think children in Mexico are banned from wearing t-shirts with Mexican flags on it since it might offend the gringos?

        You lose.

        • #24 by Richard Warnick on May 6, 2014 - 10:32 am

          Thanks for keeping us up to date on the latest right-wing cause célèbre. As far as I can tell, it was one school official in CA who was concerned some students were trying to provoke a fight.

          • #25 by brewski on May 6, 2014 - 11:56 am

            So you agree that it is wrong to ban the wearing of American flags?

            Thank you.

          • #26 by Richard Warnick on May 6, 2014 - 12:41 pm

            The guy wanted to stop some bullies. It wasn’t about the flag per se. And the court agreed with the school. No one has ever suggested a blanket ban on American flags for Cinco de Mayo.

          • #27 by brewski on May 6, 2014 - 1:49 pm

            What bullies? There were no bullies. Just some kids wearing Old Navy American flag t-shirts.

            And yes, there was a ban on wearing American flags on Cinco de Mayo.

          • #28 by Richard Warnick on May 6, 2014 - 3:24 pm

            You can believe Alex Jones, or reality.

            Morgan Hill Unified High School’s new superintendent Steve Betando told a bank of reporters on Monday morning that what the world has depicted as a divided school is not really that way.

            He added that it is important to remember that all the students and administrators involved in the “past incident” no longer attend or employed by the school.

            The “past incident” became a national controversy in 2010, when four students came to school on Cinco de Mayo wearing American flag T-shirts. At the time, the assistant principal called the shirts “incendiary.”

            Conservative talk shows went berserk, and many decried the fact that American students weren’t allowed to wear American T-shirts to school, no matter what the holiday.

            Morgan Hill parents sued over the “flag flap,” claiming their First Amendment right to freedom of expression and their 14th Amendment right of due process had been unfairly silenced.

            But in February, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the school, saying the Live Oak High administrators were within their rights to order the boys’ to hide their logos, because of the school’s history of racial problems on campus in the past.

            “It was reasonable for school officials to proceeed as though the threat of potentially violent disturbance was real,” wrote Judge Margaret McKeown. (PDF)

          • #29 by brewski on May 6, 2014 - 4:20 pm

            Who is Alex Jones?

          • #30 by Richard Warnick on May 6, 2014 - 5:04 pm

            You must know who Alex Jones is. Infowars – Prison Planet, etc.

          • #31 by brewski on May 6, 2014 - 8:29 pm

            I don’t keep track of this stuff. I leave that up to you.

  8. #32 by Larry Bergan on May 5, 2014 - 7:18 pm

    These white troublemakers demean the flag and even the word patriot. Every time I see that word or a flag nowadays, I am skeptical of what the real purpose is.

    • #33 by Larry Bergan on May 6, 2014 - 10:12 pm

      By the way, I wasn’t talking about the school kids with the flag shirts in my above comment. I was talking about the red-white-and-blue website shown in brewski’s video that was soliciting bikers to ride past the school.

      • #34 by Richard Warnick on May 7, 2014 - 10:14 am

        It seems to me that the intention is the same – to disrespect someone else’s day (or possibly incite violence) while hiding behind the Flag and “patriotism.”

        • #35 by brewski on May 7, 2014 - 10:20 pm

          Disrespecting someone else’s day? I thought all of those good and innocent Mexican immigrants were all here because the love America and just want part of the American dream? So surely they love the American flag too and would not feel any disrespect at all? Unless of course they don’t love America, don’t want to be Americans and don’t like America or its flag.

          Which is it?

          • #36 by Larry Bergan on May 7, 2014 - 11:20 pm

            I say to hell with the American flag until it means something again, which It probably won’t in my lifetime thanks to unbridled capitalism, theocracy, militarism and racism.

            Even Orrin Hatch realizes that his “side of the aisle” has destroyed the symbol. When was the last time he brought up a constitutional amendment to protect it? That used to be his top priority.

          • #37 by brewski on May 8, 2014 - 7:18 am

            Have a doobie Larry.

          • #38 by Richard Warnick on May 8, 2014 - 7:36 am

            Do you wear an orange t-shirt on St. Patrick’s Day? Be reasonable.

          • #39 by cav on May 8, 2014 - 8:38 am

            It’s gotten beyond the point where they’re not only not worth taking seriously, they’re not even worth snarking about.

          • #40 by brewski on May 8, 2014 - 10:53 am

            False analogy.

            We are in America and wearing an American flag t shirt should not be a problem.

            If I lived in London, then wearing a Union Jack t-shirt on St. Patrick’s day would also not be a problem.

            Be logical.

          • #41 by Richard Warnick on May 8, 2014 - 11:33 am

            It’s kind of absurd to be discussing the actions of some high school students four years ago, but from what I read their intention was to piss off the Mexicans.

          • #42 by brewski on May 8, 2014 - 11:42 am

            Mexicans? What Mexicans? I thought we are all Americans.

          • #43 by Richard Warnick on May 8, 2014 - 1:08 pm

            Hate to break it to you, but there are Mexicans living in the USA. There are Americans living in Mexico, too.

          • #44 by Larry Bergan on May 8, 2014 - 9:44 pm

            My parents built a house and lived in Mexico for a while.

            Good to see you around, cav.

          • #45 by brewski on May 9, 2014 - 8:48 am

            In Mexico do they ban the displaying of Mexican flags on July 4th so as not to offend gringos?

          • #46 by Richard Warnick on May 9, 2014 - 9:16 am

            Again, there was no ban. Not in the State of California, not in the county, the school district, nor even in that one school. It was an on-the-spot decision by an assistant principal applied to a group of would-be troublemakers, who were sent home.

            It happened four years ago. You might think the right has enough to obsess over without this.

          • #47 by brewski on May 9, 2014 - 1:07 pm

            so an on the spot decision by an assistant principal to trample on the constitution is ok by you?

            wearing an american flag is being a troublemaker?

            you’re sick.

          • #48 by Richard Warnick on May 9, 2014 - 2:10 pm

            Actually, I’m not the authority here. The judge said that the decision (which was not actually a policy to ban American flag T-shirts, as right-wing propagandists claim) was legal.

          • #49 by brewski on May 9, 2014 - 4:15 pm

            Judges are often wrong.

            Judges upheld bans on freedom of speech on college campuses for decades. Glendy agrees with that sort of Authoritarianism and apparently so do you.

          • #50 by Larry Bergan on May 9, 2014 - 7:17 pm

            I don’t remember seeing Mexican flags everywhere when I went to Mexico to see my parent’s house there. If the Mexicans had treated us badly and started waving their flags around to scare us, I might have pulled out an American flag.

            The best use for flags is at the Olympics or someplace where delegations need to be identified in a peaceful setting.

          • #51 by Richard Warnick on May 10, 2014 - 2:56 pm

            I wonder how American flag-waving compares to the rest of the world. In Belgium, people tend to avoid it. They are patriotic but they don’t worship the flag.

            There’s a saying in Brussels that “if the Belgian flag is flying in front of the royal palace, the King is in residence. If there is another country’s flag, it means we’ve been invaded again!”

          • #52 by Larry Bergan on May 10, 2014 - 3:29 pm

            I’m not kidding when I say, I almost got knocked out by an American flag at a “Tea Party” event. The wind was blowing really hard, and I walked right into it.

          • #53 by brewski on May 10, 2014 - 9:29 pm

            I don’t think French people in Belgium would be offended by seeing a Belgian flag.

            Your logic is insane.

          • #54 by Richard Warnick on May 11, 2014 - 9:07 am

            What’s insane is right-wing media making a cause célèbre out of an isolated incident four years ago in one California school.

          • #55 by brewski on May 12, 2014 - 8:14 am

            sort of like when Maddow makes a big stink about what some cracker local politician no one has ever heard of said and she devotes a whole show to it proving that all conservatives are racists.

          • #56 by Richard Warnick on May 12, 2014 - 10:06 am

            Rachel Maddow tries to put everything in perspective. Sometimes she’ll mention a state legislator who’s in the news. She hasn’t obsessed over some decision by an obscure assistant principal four years ago. I only heard about that from you, because I’m not plugged into the right-wing noise machine.

          • #57 by brewski on May 12, 2014 - 12:49 pm

            that’s really funny. Maddow put things in perspective? The only perspective she has is the two bit paid partisan hack perspective which she shovels to the gullible little lap poodles who worship every piece of bile she spews. You’ve been had.

          • #58 by Richard Warnick on May 12, 2014 - 2:06 pm

            OK, so right-wingers:

            1. Hate Mexicans/Latinos, and
            2. Are absolutely not racists.

            Got it.

          • #59 by brewski on May 12, 2014 - 4:27 pm

            What is your source for 1?

          • #60 by Richard Warnick on May 12, 2014 - 7:37 pm

            I was referring to your many statements complaining about immigrants and resident aliens from south of the border.

          • #61 by brewski on May 12, 2014 - 8:01 pm

            If you lived in Brooklyn you might hear people complaining about the Russian immigrants and their gangs and crime. Are those complainers racists against lily white Russians?

          • #62 by Richard Warnick on May 13, 2014 - 10:20 pm

            Are you saying that equating “Latino” and “criminal” is not racist?

          • #63 by brewski on May 14, 2014 - 8:27 am

            Who did?
            Source please.

            Latino is not a race. It is an ethnicity.

          • #64 by Richard Warnick on May 16, 2014 - 12:20 am

            Instead of using your term “racist” I ought to have asked if you’re claiming it’s not prejudiced.

          • #65 by brewski on May 16, 2014 - 8:13 am

            Who did?
            Source please.

  9. #66 by cav on May 12, 2014 - 7:31 am

    They don’t give a shit about dead Americans. Hell, they don’t give a shit about living Americans. They don’t give a shit about children, veterans, or working people. They don’t give a shit about the truth.
    This is just a bunch of grifters using the black dude and the white broad as a way to raise money, or maybe, if they’re lucky, uncover a sperm stained dress. Heaven for those out of office.

    But you know that.

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