House GOP Could Force Government Shutdown Over EPA Carbon Rule

The Environmental Protection Agency’s proposed coal regulations have angered Tea-GOP right-wingers who deny climate science.

Via The New Republic:

A standoff with Senate Democrats and the president over funding for the EPA and Interior Department could set the stage for a budget showdown, risking a partial government shutdown. Here we go again.

In an interview with Bloomberg, Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID) said the House Appropriations Committee may include a rider to the bill that’s necessary to keep the Department of Interior and EPA open after the fiscal year’s end in September.

…A partial shutdown to the Interior and EPA might seem like it would cause less damage to the GOP than the full-scale shutdown of 2013. But remember that includes national parks, which was one of the most visible and unpopular consequences from last year’s shutdown. And the EPA is charged with a lot besides fighting climate change, like protecting our drinking water and overseeing cleanup of toxic waste sites.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has warned the Tea-GOP not to shut down the government over climate change. But really, if they do it right before the midterm elections it might do more good than harm.

  1. #1 by Nathan Erkkila on June 25, 2014 - 1:02 am

    If they want to shut down the government over this during a mid-term, then that’s their nail in their coffin

  2. #2 by cav on June 25, 2014 - 8:01 am

    …is but particulate matter in the wind.

    Shutdown Keyword: “Partial’. The struggle will be which parts of the government would be best to shutdown…For my money Congress should be top of the list, followed by all black box, off budget and illegal operations. That’d free up unimaginably large amounts of money. ChickenHawk retirement and medical funding.

  3. #3 by brewski on June 25, 2014 - 9:03 am

    There are no shutdowns. There are only fake shutdowns. They close the parks and everything else goes on as usual. It’s all a con.

    • #4 by Richard Warnick on June 25, 2014 - 2:01 pm

      If the GOP wants to take the blame for a “fake” shutdown that “only” closes down the 400 or so units of the National Park System, they are crazy. Maybe not as crazy as the last time, when even the civilian side of the DOD and all the spy agencies had to shut down.

      • #5 by brewski on June 25, 2014 - 2:13 pm

        Baloney.

  4. #6 by Larry Bergan on June 25, 2014 - 6:06 pm

    We have a much different “mainstream” media then we did when Newt Gingrich paid a price for shutting down the government.

    The Republicans paid no price for the last shutdown, even though they looked like lunatics and crybabies. Nobody even knows it happened. They have plenty of time to pull this off before the election.

    Maybe I’m just in a bad mood, but how in the world is the media telling us that the Democrats are in for a big fight this November. How?

  5. #7 by Shane Smith on June 25, 2014 - 11:06 pm

    Larry, the number of things nobody even knows happen is legion. I had to spend 30 minutes after class a few months ago explaining to someone why she couldn’t keep telling everyone the deficit has skyrocketed under Obama. But we all know that CNN can’t find a plane…

    How anyone can be so ill informed as to claim the media is “liberal” when it does nothing to favor liberal issues or candidates is beyond me.

      • #9 by Larry Bergan on June 26, 2014 - 6:53 pm

        brewski:

        You keep forgetting that the war’s Bush lied us into were off budget the whole time he was in office. When Obama came in, he put them ON the budget. So the chart doesn’t really make any sense after Clinton.

        Leading up TO Clinton, the chart rightly shows that Democratic presidents always preside over fiscally fortunate times.

        • #10 by brewski on June 26, 2014 - 7:10 pm

          Larry, remind me again who controlled Congress in Clinton’s last 6 years?

          • #11 by Larry Bergan on June 26, 2014 - 9:18 pm

            I knew you wouldn’t wouldn’t seriously address my comment. Instead you try to make Clinton’s congress look like economic wizards.

          • #12 by brewski on June 26, 2014 - 9:40 pm

            What didn’t I address?

            I didn’t say they were wizards. But they did contain Clinton’s spending desires.

          • #13 by brewski on June 26, 2014 - 11:46 pm

            Here are the ratios of deficit to GDP for the past five presidents:

            Ronald Reagan
            1981-88 4.2 %
            1982-89 4.2
            Average 4.2

            George H. W. Bush
            1989-92 4.0
            1990-93 4.3
            Average 4.2

            Bill Clinton
            1993-2000 0.8
            1994-2001 0.1
            Average 0.5

            George W. Bush
            2001-08 2.0
            2002-09 3.4
            Average 2.7

            Barack Obama
            2009-12* 9.1
            2010-12 8.7
            Average 8.9

            Source:
            Economic Report of the President, 2012

      • #14 by Shane on June 26, 2014 - 11:59 pm

        You really need to find better sources. Heritage? Daily Signal? Why not just say whatever you want and ignore facts altogether?

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/27/the-best-kept-secret-in-american-politics-federal-budget-deficits-are-actually-shrinking/

        “Over the first four years of the Obama presidency, the deficit shrunk by a total of $300 billion dollars. That is not the national debt- it is the amount of money we spend each year relative to the amount we take in. And while this improving deficit picture is not what those who believe in a balanced budget would be looking for, it is a shrinking deficit just the same.”

    • #15 by Larry Bergan on June 26, 2014 - 6:43 pm

      I wonder if Wolf Blitzer hated doing the plane story or if he likes to distract his fellow citizens. It was crazy.

  6. #16 by canny courageous cav on June 25, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    The deficit hasn’t skyrocketed…its a trillion a yr + 6 years running…what class are you in? 1st grade?

    Or is it milk and cookies class?

    • #17 by cav on June 26, 2014 - 7:47 am

      Now that’s ( ^ ) spam.

  7. #18 by canny courageous cav on June 25, 2014 - 11:28 pm

    I guess your only explanation Shane might be what Richard would disagree with, that runaway inflation is actually upon us, the trillion dollar deficits fall into the ” what does it matter” hillary category, and wages have risen to make up for that.

    Laugh out loud…and that up is down, black is white and Lucy isn’t going to yank the football at the last second…. Charlie Brown…hahaaha.

    • #19 by Shane on June 27, 2014 - 12:03 am

      Trillion dollar deficits do matter That is one of the many pieces of evidence that Bush was the worst president ever.

      “The Congressional Budget Office projected today that the 2014 deficit will be the lowest in six years and down more than 60 percent from the record $1.4 trillion in 2009.” -Bloomberg

  8. #20 by Shane Smith on June 26, 2014 - 7:49 am

    Sadly I am in real life, sometimes known as explaining to republicans that everything they know is wrong.

    So yes, first grade.

  9. #21 by cav on June 26, 2014 - 8:01 am

    Worse Shane, They even know it’s wrong. They’re often only about: ‘If it aggravates a progressive…’ facts be damned.

  10. #22 by cav on June 26, 2014 - 8:13 am

    “Fear is real in America; everyone feels it. They know, with the economy weak, the nation can’t afford to keep hosing out trillions (that’s with a T!) in resources to keep the image of the US strong and absolute in a military sense. People know in their hearts it can’t go on. What about the infrastructural, educational, environmental and economic crises all approaching disaster levels on the homefront? If you look at it from the correct angle, it’s a classic tragedy unfolding: A nation so full of its own top-down, narcissistic glory that it can’t find the humility to do what it must to re-structure itself as a modestly downsized, healthy nation facing the future and “the rise of the rest.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/26/bad-wars-and-the-voice-of-disillusion/

  11. #23 by Shane on June 26, 2014 - 11:51 am

    Oops, the last line didn’t post. I have to stop posting on my phone, as it is too hard to double check.

    No, the deficit is not a trillion a year for the last 6 years. Like my student, you are as misinformed as she was.

    • #24 by Larry Bergan on June 26, 2014 - 6:32 pm

      Some of everybody’s comments are going directly into the spam bin. If you comment, and it doesn’t show up, quickly go to admin and check the spam. If you wait, you’ll have to sift through the pile. You will still need to approve your comment after releasing it from spam.

      I’ve been going through the thousands of spams every day to release actual comments. What a pain. You’ll notice I released a couple of your comments on this thread, and on other threads.

      The good news is that Cliff sent me an E-mail today, saying he’s trying to fix it.

      • #25 by cav on June 27, 2014 - 8:28 am

        You can spam some of the people’s comments some of the time….All of the people’s comments some of the time, but you cannot spam ALL of the people’s comments ALL of the time.

        Aberham Bergan

        I guess my comments are among those spammed ALL of the time.

        They’ve started to recognize me at the border crossings..each and every one!

        • #26 by cav on June 27, 2014 - 12:33 pm

          You can spam some of the people’s comments ALL of the time….All of the people’s comments some of the time, but you cannot spam ALL of the people’s comments ALL of the time.

          Aberham Bergan

          I guess my comments are among those spammed only SOME of the time.

        • #27 by Larry Bergan on June 27, 2014 - 7:41 pm

          I heard that Viacom or somebody won the internet muzzel thing. They didn’t waste any time.

          I’m being funny. I don’t think that’s happened yet. Stay tuned.

          I just went through thousands of comments in the spam pit and only found two computerized waste-of-times.

  12. #28 by Richard Warnick on June 26, 2014 - 12:33 pm

    How A House Holy War Over ‘Corporate Welfare’ May Shut Down The Government

    WASHINGTON — Congress is gearing up for another government shutdown, this time over a minor federal agency that most Americans have never heard of: the Export-Import Bank.

    Ex-Im, as it’s known in Capitol Hill parlance, provides cheap loans to foreign companies who want to buy U.S.-manufactured goods, particularly Boeing airplanes. The agency has limited macroeconomic significance, but its very existence has ignited a holy war within the Republican Party, where hardliners view the bank as an exercise in corporate welfare.

    Ex-Im’s formal authorization expires Sept. 30, the same date congressional funding for the entire federal government runs out. If the Democratic-led Senate insists on reauthorizing and funding the bank, the Republican-controlled House can reject the measure, and shut down the government just five weeks before the November elections.

    Democratic leaders smell election-year blood — an opportunity to leach campaign funds from corporate donors that have traditionally backed the GOP. And a Republican-led government shutdown over an obscure agency may be the Democrats’ best chance to take back the lower chamber. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) personally lobbied individual members of Congress to sign on to a bill from Rep. Denny Heck (D-Wash.) to reauthorize the bank through 2021, and also pressed members to back the Heck bill during Tuesday’s weekly caucus meeting.

    …But the Democratic strategy could easily backfire. In the wake of the 2008 bank bailouts, voters in both parties are wary of corporate favors bestowed by Washington. An Ex-Im-inspired government shutdown could paint Democrats as ardent defenders of big business in a time of middle-class hardship. And some of the most prominent liberals in Washington are opposed to Pelosi’s strategy.

    “The Export-Import Bank is corporate welfare at its worst,” Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) told HuffPost.

  13. #29 by lazy larry on June 28, 2014 - 10:39 am

    Hey, check it out..the German government gives Verizon the boot, over their 4th amendment type violations of the German citizenry including Mrs. Merkel herself…

    Guess they of all folks know Nazis when they see them.

    Consequences. What a novelty.

    • #30 by Larry Bergan on June 28, 2014 - 8:52 pm

      We’ve been looking down on Germany for a long time, but now they look down on us. Funny how republican victory after republican victory can turn things upside down.

      • #31 by Anonymous on June 29, 2014 - 11:33 pm

        You have a democrat president, and the abuses name the NSA under this administration specifically. Obama signed ndaa. Verizon was compelled under this president.

        There is no escaping the inferred conclusion..the US under his leadership is flat out Nazi. Nobody gives a flying fuck about party affiliation as the abuses have occurred no matter who is in power.

        Nazi. Plain and simple.

      • #32 by Anonymous on June 29, 2014 - 11:54 pm

        The abuses listed involve the Obama administration, he signed the NDAA no.one.else.
        Most people subject to the abuses don’t care about America’s perception of who they think is responsible. They know the Nazism abounds no matter who claims fault and leadership.

        Nazi now.N.A.Z.I. no matter who is running it. Plain and simple.

        The bombings of those who are against it can’t be far behind.

  14. #33 by Anonymous on June 30, 2014 - 9:59 am

    Believe what you will, say what you wish, and Bush’s war didn’t cost anything because it was off the books..and there is no inflation, and unemployment is 7%.

    If you teach school its no wonder our kids are turning up idiots who can’t make change. Sounds like you have one sharp one there, please don’t screw them up with your abject stupidity and denial.

    The last 3 years are half a trillion plus, the six prior years over and about trillion a piece. You can thank republicans for the last three years, no matter anything else they have managed to put a leaky band aid on the HEMMORAGE!

    So half of the last six years are over a trillion, before that? Who wants to look? Certainly no democrats, who are about to be destroyed by political and fiscal reality. Perhaps you think obama should get a medal. Remember the good old days? When the deficit was in the 300’s?

    I dare say Shane whoever you are, you are quite a hair splitter, as we all know that the government nonsense in cooking the books means very little to those who know our goose is cooked.

    http://www.theloudtalker.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/USdeficits.jpg

    At least your student has the on intelligence to be concerned, something you appear is rather glib.

  15. #34 by Larry Bergan on July 1, 2014 - 6:03 pm

    Anonymous ^:

    Do you feel better, now that I deleted two of your three cloned comments. It sort of blew by me when I released your comments from the spam palace, that you had used three different names to say the same thing.

    You really shouldn’t need to use names that mimic names of legitimate commenters here. If you can’t steer the conversation here with your obviously superior grasp of history and intelligence, :) you may have better luck on The Blaze.

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