Climate Denial is Funny!

At least to a certain sense of humor. Or at least this made me laugh.

STATE SEN. BRANDON SMITH: As you [Energy & Environment Cabinet official] sit there in your chair with your data, we sit up here in ours with our data and our constituents and stuff behind us. I don’t want to get into the debate about climate change, but I will simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There are no factories on Mars that I’m aware of.

Honestly, how can you read that and not laugh? “We sit up here…with our data.” Ah I see how that can be a issue. There is a lot of climate data, and it can be difficult to interpret. What data is the problem then? Ancient ice cores? Heat island effects? Ice sheet decline?

“In academia we all agree that the temper erasure on Mars is exactly the same as it is here.”

Wha? Do we now? How does he reach his conclusion? Where is this data? Nobody will dispute it? By the gods yes I will, since you just made it up!

The average temperature on Earth is 57 degrees Fahrenheit, while on Mars the average is -81 Fahrenheit, according to those know-nothing, so-called “scientists” at NASA. In other words, exactly the same, give or take a rounding error.

Suddenly I understand why conservatives think the earth isn’t warming. Apparently they round temps off to the nearest thousand degrees, and thus both planets are still 0!

How does bullshit like this come out of the mouth of an elected rep without people storming his office with torches and pitchforks?

  1. #1 by Larry Bergan on July 8, 2014 - 5:26 pm


  2. #2 by Ken on July 13, 2014 - 11:55 am

    No prediction by global warmers has ever come true. There has been no warming for 17 years. There is actually a cooling trend. The computer models that predicted warming were all wrong. Global warming is about politics not about climate.

    • #3 by Larry Bergan on July 13, 2014 - 3:49 pm


      If this is our famous Ken at OneUtah. You may wonder why your comment didn’t show up when you posted it. We’ve all been having this problem. I had to fish it out of the spam filter.

      It seemed to be you by it’s content, so I released it. If I were you, I wouldn’t comment on a climate post where a state senator makes a fool of himself.

      Do you think Sen. Smith is a fool for saying what he said?

    • #4 by Richard Warnick on July 14, 2014 - 8:59 am

      The IPCC projections from a few years ago did in fact underestimate the pace of global warming. But the overall conclusion remains the same: we’re in for catastrophic climate change, which has already begun. We’re already dealing with the consequences.

  3. #5 by Larry Bergan on July 13, 2014 - 7:58 pm

    Some people have the ability to speak, but NOT articulate. Smith is one of those people.

    I guess I wish him well.

  4. #6 by Shane on July 17, 2014 - 11:10 am

    Does it ever bother the people that tell us there is actually a cooling trend that actual temperature records prove them wrong? When we get told it hasn’t warmed in however many years even though two of the warmest years on record are this decade, do they pause? At all?

    If you are 29 or younger, every month you have spent on this earth was warmer than the average for that month in the last century. When do you suppose the cooling will kick in?

  5. #7 by clear! on July 17, 2014 - 1:50 pm

    Sure its funny…hehehehahaha…we are the walrus.

  6. #8 by Anonymous on July 17, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Yeah, shane smith is pretty incoherent mostly..

    Here is the latest on the carbon scam.

    • #9 by Richard Warnick on July 17, 2014 - 4:27 pm

      Yeah, according to the WSJ article it looks like Bush’s Great Recession and the 2008 financial sector collapse caused more problems than we knew up to now. It’s possible the Bush administration inadvertently doomed efforts to forestall a climate catastrophe that might spell the end of human civilization.

  7. #10 by clear! on July 17, 2014 - 5:48 pm

    That’s hilarious Richard! Now bush is responsible for Australians wising up and ditching the carbon tax scam.

    You sure algore doesn’t have his dick up your ass?

    • #11 by Richard Warnick on July 17, 2014 - 5:50 pm

      I’m just noting what the article said. Did you read it? There’s nothing about a “scam.”

  8. #12 by clear! on July 17, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    Its our economy that’s in the crapper…Australia is BOOMING!!!

    Read…hey, bush has been gone six years, the German economy is off the hook, no problems there…whatever bush did obama has exacerbated…and its not affecting nations not strapped with a Chicago criminal at the helm.

    Our problems are those of any kleptocracy, and the democrats are thieves to be sure, taxes, taxes, taxes…and theft..lying,lying,lying…then some more lying.

    It simply cannot be covered up..repukes are one thing, the obama dem story is flat pathological.

    • #13 by Richard Warnick on July 17, 2014 - 6:58 pm

      I think you meant “alleviated,” not “exacerbated.” But the Australians are in a downturn. From the WSJ article you linked:

      …[A]fter the global financial crisis took hold in 2008, followed by the end of a decadelong mining boom in 2012 that slowed growth and employment in the A$1.5 trillion (US$1.4 trillion) economy, Australian voters turned against climate laws—recognized by the International Energy Agency as model legislation for developed countries—blaming them for rising energy bills and living costs.

  9. #14 by clear! on July 17, 2014 - 5:57 pm

    The essence of the article is that a modern booming economy has shit canned the carbon tax…any other spin is making excuses…the Urinal and wall street surely was hoping on stupid to fatten their wallets… Oh can fool some of the people….and then only for so long.

    Bye bye AGW theory…as Glenn well predicted years ago.

  10. #15 by Shane on July 18, 2014 - 8:50 am

    So your claim is that if someone decides it costs too much to fix, then climate change isn’t real.

    If vaccines become to expensive does that disprove germ theory of disease and evolution?

    I would point out that “thinking” that way means you aren’t thinking, but having read your other comments I am pretty sure you don’t get it…

  11. #16 by Larry Bergan on July 19, 2014 - 7:55 am

    clear! has a motive.


    • #17 by Shane on July 19, 2014 - 8:29 pm

      No, he just seems to have a pathological fixation on Cliff. Look at the IP address, it is just Glenn Hoefer or however he spells it. As if his incoherent writing style didn’t give it away.

  12. #18 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 10:21 am

    I see that my writing style causes you to use my wording and style as well. .

    You don’t have a writing style Shane, just screed and bias. Its OK, it is allowed. Though it would do well to think through your inane top is pretty obvious you haven’t thought much through beyond the surface ideology you promote.

    They are pretty easy to dissect as exercise.

    • #19 by Shane Smith on July 20, 2014 - 2:17 pm

      Hey Glenn, just a warning, like brewski, I don’t give a shit about your stupidity, but if I feel you are spending all your time insulting people and straying off target, I will delete you from my posts.

      If you want to (or in your case are able to) stay near the topic, I will keep pointing out that you can’t add or reason. That is easy. But I won’t watch you be an ass or change the topic too far afield.

  13. #20 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 10:28 am

    And Richard, you claim not to support obama, claiming never having voted for him.

    Is it fair to ask then why you make excuses for him, compare him to bush. My sentiments on bush’s criminal presidency are well known, yet this one is scarcely better.

    I am reminded of Hegel and his description of how elites parasitize themselves onto the body politic by keeping their hosts off balance. Nothing could drive the NPR crowd more nuts than 8 years of bush. Nothing could drive the christian right more nuts than two terms of obama. The upshot ovserall like any parasitized host..we are all poorer and less free. Adherence to one side or another at this point…is simple pathology.

    • #21 by Richard Warnick on July 20, 2014 - 12:31 pm

      Here’s a fair comparison for you. President Bush’s mistakes consisted of unconscionable violations of our Constitution and international law, lying to the American people, and a unbroken series of catastrophic failures in domestic, fiscal, foreign, and national security policy.

      President Obama’s failures thus far consist of not being able to fully repair eight years of damage from the Bush administration in five and a half years. But he has succeeded in withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, and restoring all the jobs lost in Bush’s Great Recession (though, as I have pointed out several times, living wage jobs have in many cases been replaced by low-wage jobs).

      The ongoing Tea-GOP epic fail takes the form of unprecedented economic sabotage, denial of access to health care, government shutdown, neocon foreign policy, promotion of sexism, racism and gun violence, opposition to equal rights, and pathological hatred of President Obama.

  14. #22 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Poor Larry, I think Shane just insulted you.

    • #23 by Shane Smith on July 20, 2014 - 2:18 pm

      I know this is asking a great deal, but can you even explain what you think you mean by this?

  15. #24 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 10:37 am

    Alleviated= bail out wall street, at the expense of the people.

    Alleviated= guaranteeing insurance companies their pound of flesh without competition.

    Alleviated= keeping Gitmo open.

    Alleviated= the 4th amendment, entirely, and spying on iallies until discovered and are given the boot.

    Alleviated= Alleviated Kaddaffi of his life, and stability of Libya.

    Alleviated= gun running to drug cartels.

    Alleviated= Iraq into the hands of terrorist jihadi .

    Alleviated= the American people of 6 trillion dollars…so far.

    Was bush bad? Sure. Hope and change? From what most people see we got dope and strange. Alleviated indeed.

  16. #25 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 12:38 pm

    As if we don’t have that with obama? The ndaa is clear violation of the constitution, which is why a host of states and cities have rejected it and rulesd it void.

    Hey, and pull my posts out of moderation, what is wrong with this site? Or the people running it? It is reminiscent of Stasi East Germany there at admin already.

    • #26 by Richard Warnick on July 20, 2014 - 12:43 pm

      The NDAA would never have passed the House without Tea-GOP support. President Obama could not veto it without shutting down the Pentagon.

      If you have comments in moderation, then don’t ask me for help. Penalty for name-calling.

  17. #27 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Its evrerbodies fault but obama’s.

    Once again you make excuses and carry the cretinous vipers water..

  18. #28 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    We are broke…and spending is destroying our currency..the Tea Party the only group even talking about the reality in this now broke as a joke third world nation.

    • #29 by Richard Warnick on July 20, 2014 - 1:29 pm

      George W. Bush doubled the National Debt. Where was the Tea Party then? Why don’t they call for eliminating the Bush-Obama Tax Cuts For The Rich, if they care so much about the deficit?

      • #30 by Shane Smith on July 20, 2014 - 2:13 pm

        If they care so much about the deficit why are they mad at the president that cut the deficit in half but where supporters of the president that turned a surplus into debt?

  19. #31 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    So despite the crushing that is coming for everything obama, it’s still all bush’s fault. It didn’t work when you were six, it isn’t going to work now.

    Obama signed the ndaa, that is who we are talking about..he is one of them, those you cannot seemingly stand…this is what drives ya nuts.

  20. #32 by clear! on July 20, 2014 - 8:51 pm

    What name calling? You regularly abuse posters who disagree with you…lending all required to label you a Stasi style censor..

    • #33 by Richard Warnick on July 20, 2014 - 10:25 pm

      Does “retard,” “cretinous viper” or “filthy animal” jog your memory? When all you have left is epithets, it means you’re bereft of truthful or logical arguments.

      I don’t indulge in name-calling. You cannot find one example – go back in the archives as far as you want.

    • #34 by Shane Smith on July 22, 2014 - 9:52 am

      clear! :
      What name calling? You regularly abuse posters who disagree with you…lending all required to label you a Stasi style censor..

      The name calling has been pointed out already.

      You can make any comments you wish about censorship, but that only shows that you fail to understand censorship. Cliff has invited anyone to post here, you just have to use you name. However, when I teach a class about feminism, I don’t allow one student to yell about metallurgy the entire class.

      In my posts, stay at least tangential to the topic.

  21. #35 by clear! on July 21, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Um that pretty much sums up obama..there’s nothing for it.

    • #36 by Richard Warnick on July 21, 2014 - 2:30 pm

      How is that not name-calling? This morning you added “douchebag” to the list.

  22. #37 by clear! on July 23, 2014 - 5:47 pm

    Hi, my name is Glenn, and I can’t play well with others, so I have to sit in the corner. But I like to blame “the site” for my problems.

  23. #38 by clear! on July 23, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    As for the AGW climate topic..the fact is there are no governments engaged in doing what the true believers recommend.. No instead they are off the AGW bus…sorry, they are not buying it anymore.

    Germany building new coal plants, Australia ditching the carbon tax, leading the way..the smarter folks with real growing economies kicking it to the curb.

    The US scam based economy is trying to compel people with the fraud..but the gig is up, and they will fail.

    Real technology will build the correct path, not willy nilly state sponsored fraud.

  24. #40 by Richard Warnick on July 23, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    Like I always say, when the name-calling starts it means you’ve lost any semblance of reasonable argument.

  25. #41 by clear! on July 23, 2014 - 10:38 pm

    Haha…when I leave it will be the echo chamber it has always been. Look who posts here..

    Larry answers himself, Richard answers Larry, occasionally when Shane’s head is out of his ass he posts.

    There is nobody here boys….

  26. #42 by clear! on July 23, 2014 - 10:40 pm

    So you say…and who’s listening?

  27. #43 by clear! on July 24, 2014 - 4:39 pm

    McDonnel Douglas invented that plant over 30 years ago. Look it up.

    Germany gets now 3 % of its energy needs from solar..the subsidy is OVER, hence the building of 25 coal plants..right NOW. The 33% figure is one day in June, July. It is simply not enough for an industrialized nation..hence the lignite burners coming online.

  28. #45 by clear! on July 24, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    Australia is done, we are doing nothing, China is doing nothing, India is doing are in dreamland..the Germans are back to burning coal…your info is just old.

    • #46 by Shane Smith on July 25, 2014 - 9:10 am

      Keep using Murdock’s “news” sites as your references…

    • #47 by Shane Smith on July 25, 2014 - 1:33 pm

      Amongst the most interesting things to note are that 38.7 GW of new solar PV capacity was installed in 2013, and that out of that total figure 12 GW was installed in China — that’s a 232% increase over the previous year in the eastern manufacturing powerhouse. Total global cumulative installed solar PV capacity now rests at 140.6 GW.

      China, doing nothing.

  29. #48 by clear! on July 24, 2014 - 4:54 pm

    As well..Germany estimated wind recovery at 30% per megawatt, accounting for no wind and down time..the reality over the last 20 hrs is 16.7 %.

    The subsidy for wind is now over as well. Germany is building 25 coal burners to replace added needs and their 18 nuclear plants,which they regard as a far greater threat than carbon. Their physicists have assured them that human created carbon is not the climate driver.

    Go do some real study, and stop posting pablum.

  30. #49 by clear! on July 24, 2014 - 4:56 pm

    More censorship of posts over several really are a bunch of asswipes. You cannot prevail..the truth gonna suck you up.

  31. #50 by clear! on July 24, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    Well Shane I would say you are a clueless idiot, but that would be an insult to clueless idiots.

    • #51 by Shane Smith on July 25, 2014 - 1:26 pm

      Hey Glenn, if you read the link you posted, it agrees with almost everything I have said. Can you examine why you think it proves something I said wrong?

  32. #53 by clear! on July 24, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    Germans have actually given alternatives a real go, and the lesson is…renewables are ADJUNCT power sources at this time.

    We would do well to learn the lessons they spent billions on learning the real truth about. Its a nice dream, someday may pan out as practical for the money put in. Currently Germany is smarting from huge investments in renewables which simply are not panning out, despite “working”.

  33. #54 by clear! on July 25, 2014 - 1:58 pm

  34. #55 by clear! on July 25, 2014 - 2:14 pm

    Keep I mind, we are talking about Germany here, not dumbshit America.

    • #56 by Shane Smith on July 25, 2014 - 3:00 pm

      This is a fantastic article, especially since everything you need to know about how wrong it is is in the link in the opening where they provide the reply to it. As the reply points out, Germany has more than tripled their renewables, and this is largely because the entire German population accepts the science of warming.

      Since you insist that nobody accepts the science, that is not a great argument for you to point to.

      Further, since the issue. Is not solar itself, but CO2, and the German per capita CO2 production dropped 22.4%, as per the link! from 1990 to 2008, this is a huge success. The greenhouse gas production is still clearly far too high, but a 22% reduction per capita in an economy with as much industry as Germany has is amazing. Over the same time period American CO2 production remained basically the same.

      This is without getting into the factual errors your link provides, but which the response deals with rather well.

      Further, having recently crossed a small part of Germany, the panels are simply everywhere. Which is explained by the attitude the response points to. In Germany they see a euro spent on traditional energy as benefiting a utility, but a euro spent on renewables as enriching a community. Or as oneGerman told me when I explained I was from Utah, “I don’t understand why you all dislike your country so much that you are not willing to help each other. Your state could power your whole nation! Why do you not see that as a patriotic duty?”

      On the other hand, he did want to come and see races on the salt flats, so we have that still.

  35. #57 by Shane Smith on July 25, 2014 - 2:46 pm

  36. #58 by Shane Smith on July 25, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    • #60 by Shane Smith on July 26, 2014 - 7:50 am

      That is a fantastic post! There is so much bullshit in that “article” that it deserves it’s own top level post! I will get on that, thanks.

  37. #61 by Richard Warnick on July 26, 2014 - 11:59 am

    Larry Bell explains the whole global warming hoax/conspiracy as an attempt to protect a “multi-billion-dollar climate industry” that exists mostly in his imagination. He clearly doesn’t understand climate science, he thinks it’s the same as weather.

    • #62 by Larry Bergan on July 27, 2014 - 11:26 am

      That guy should have had a bag over his head during the interview. The host should have had a bag over his head for being employed by Newsmax.

      Great show. Cheney fare.

  38. #63 by Larry Bergan on July 27, 2014 - 11:00 am

    I’ve been going through the spam bin to pull comments out for a little while now, but I’m having a hard time knowing if anybody here except for glenn/many-names wants that to happen.

    Today I went through over a thousand spams and moved the pertinent ones to the trash, which can easily be released by other authors here. glenn is an obvious troll, so I won’t be surprised if nobody releases his fake rants.

    These guys always show up in force just before election time, don’t they?

    • #64 by Larry Bergan on July 27, 2014 - 11:36 am

      Of course, I’m releasing my own comments that usually go into the spam bin.

      Because I can.

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