John Ellis (‘Jeb’) Bush: Medicare Phase Out ‘A Winning Argument’

Let’s “phase out” Medicare? Seriously? (emphasis added):

“I think we need to be vigilant about this and persuade people that our, when your volunteers go door to door, and they talk to people, people understand this. They know, and I think a lot of people recognize that we need to make sure we fulfill the commitment to people that have already received the benefits, that are receiving the benefits. But that we need to figure out a way to phase out this program for others and move to a new system that allows them to have something – because they’re not going to have anything. And that argument I think is going to be a winning argument if we take it directly to people.”

Why do Tea-GOPers keep attacking Social Security and Medicare, the most popular and effective government programs that sustain the American middle class? How out of touch can you be?

The “new system” he’s referring to is the Tea-GOP’s idea of replacing Medicare coverage with cheap vouchers that don’t cover the cost of health care for seniors.

Bush answers my last question here: Jeb Bush: ‘Please Help Me’ Understand Sharknado

Hey, lately Tea-GOP presidential candidates have been desperate to get media attention, resorting to various lame attempts to out-clown Donald Trump (can’t be done, Trump is driving the clown bus). It’s sad.

UPDATE:
Paul Krugman Decimates Jeb Bush’s Medicare Delusion

The real reason conservatives want to do away with Medicare has always been political: It’s the very idea of the government providing a universal safety net that they hate, and they hate it even more when such programs are successful.

…Medicare is 50 years old this week. Conservatives have been warning that it will destroy American freedom for that entire time. Kind of a bizarre claim about a program that has been a lifesaver both financially and literally for many seniors and their loved ones.

  1. #1 by Nathan Erkkila on July 24, 2015 - 11:23 pm

    It’s not a smart idea to threaten the benefits of the largest demographic of voters.

    • #2 by Larry Bergan on July 25, 2015 - 1:13 pm

      That’s why I find it disturbing to see that the Republicans don’t seem to care that they’re threatening what’s left of American’s benefits. It’s as if they only care that the wealthy vote for them.

  2. #3 by Larry Bergan on July 25, 2015 - 1:22 pm

    You tell him Shatner! Cruz will never define Capt. Kirk.

    I actually had a nice experience the other day. The only Star Trek Movie with the original crew that I hadn’t seen showed up on Netflix, (The Final Frontier). It was the only one directed by William Shatner. Apparently, it did terribly at the box office, but I loved it. It was very funny and I felt like I was watching a lost treasure.

    I’ve said this before. People just don’t know a good movie when they see it. Onward, Shatner!

  3. #4 by brewski on July 25, 2015 - 5:18 pm

    Because you don’t understand math and Jeb does. That is why he says “move to a new system” which you seemed to ignore.

    • #5 by Richard Warnick on July 26, 2015 - 10:21 am

      What is his “new system”? He won’t say, but I’m guessing… vouchers that don’t pay as much as Medicare.

  4. #6 by Larry Bergan on July 25, 2015 - 7:17 pm

    Where, oh where can we find any money in this country? We are so poor. :(

    We’re the poorest/richest country in the world.

    • #7 by brewski on July 25, 2015 - 8:29 pm

      100 Trillion unfunded liabilities. Yeah, let’s just go expropriate that. No consequences. It worked out so well for Stalin. The world is rushing to copy that model now.

      • #8 by Larry Bergan on July 25, 2015 - 8:41 pm

        Funny you should bring that up, since Bush Jr.’s middle name was “unfunded war”. When did the democrats not fund their programs to help people?

        • #9 by brewski on July 26, 2015 - 12:31 am

          Social Security and Medicare are completely unfunded.

          “the present value of all the expenditures now through the end of time. All projected expenditures, including servicing the official debt. And you subtract all the projected taxes. The present value of the difference is $222 trillion.”

          http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2012/12/01/economist_laurence_kotlikoff_us_222_trillion_in_debt_363.html

          • #10 by Larry Bergan on July 26, 2015 - 10:01 am

            Boy, grandma’s expensive, isn’t she?

            222 trillion. Just makes you want to give up and give the capitalists more, so they can send out jobs overseas. Actually, what we need to do is get those lazy kindergarteners without breakfast to pull on their boot straps; maybe a boot camp for toddlers. And, of course, Paul Ryan vouchers.

            Seriously though, I think I’ll just go with Robert Reich’s plan to fix Medicare.

            Medicare turns fifty next week. It was signed into law July 30, 1965 – the crowning achievement of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. It’s more popular than ever.

            Yet Medicare continues to be blamed for America’s present and future budget problems. That’s baloney.

          • #11 by Richard Warnick on July 26, 2015 - 10:23 am

            Rich people borrowed our Social Security/Medicare contributions to give themselves big tax cuts. Now they don’t want to pay back the loan. Simple as that.

          • #12 by brewski on July 26, 2015 - 6:13 pm

            Social Security and Medicare have always been from day 1 actuarially unsound with or without the “tax cuts” your faith teaches you. $222 Trillion unfunded it not caused by anything other that its own design. Simple as that.

          • #13 by Richard Warnick on July 26, 2015 - 9:50 pm

            Pure derp.* Social Security and Medicare cannot go bankrupt. But fair pay for workers, along with fair taxation for rich people and corporations, will help.

            BTW the Bush-Obama Tax Cuts For The Rich were not mythical, and they are still with us. It’s why we have austerity budgeting and a crippled economy.

            We have to fight to reverse America’s headlong descent into a YOYO society– where everyone is on their own, and a wealthy elite is the only class who gets to have a comfortable retirement.

            [* There does not seem to be a commonly accepted definition of “derp.” My definition is “repetition of myths long after they are debunked.” In the age of the Tea-GOP and Faux News, we really need a word for this phenomenon.]

          • #14 by brewski on July 27, 2015 - 6:24 am

            Unresponsive to what I said, because what I said it irrefutable.

          • #15 by Richard Warnick on July 27, 2015 - 9:23 am

            It’s been debunked numerous times. Utter nonsense.

          • #16 by Larry Bergan on July 27, 2015 - 10:16 am

            I figured it out.

            brewski is an orphan. Orphans are not bad but that’s the only thing that explains why he doesn’t care if old people die in dignity. He must have many millions, or he wouldn’t be for dismantling Social Security and Medicare.

            But actually, I suspect he’s getting paid to troll the internet.

          • #17 by brewski on July 31, 2015 - 4:12 am

            No nonsense.

            Math.

            Never debunked.

            Thanks for the dodge.

          • #18 by Richard Warnick on July 31, 2015 - 10:10 am

            Derp.

  5. #19 by Richard Warnick on July 27, 2015 - 11:09 am

    Why Social Security Beats All Rivals — And the Case for Expanding It (emphasis added)

    There was a time during the postwar boom, when America’s retirement system was said to be a three-legged stool. One leg was pensions — but that system is collapsing. The second leg was ordinary savings. With wages and salaries rising, workers could afford to save. But earnings are flat or declining for most workers, and households are borrowing rather than saving.

    The third leg was Social Security — it provided (and still provides) only the most basic income. But for most people today, Social Security is all there is.

    …Social Security needs to be expanded. Though its projected shortfall after the mid-2030s gets a lot of attention and prompts calls for cuts, the 75-year deficit is only about one percent of GDP. That could easily be made up, by raising the cap on income subject to the Social Security tax, or adding new revenues from, say, a tiny tax on financial transactions.

    Another way to improve the solvency of the system would be to increase wages, since Social Security is financed by taxes on payrolls. Had earnings kept pace with productivity, as was the case before the Reagan era, Social Security would be solvent indefinitely with no further adjustments.

  6. #20 by Richard Warnick on July 27, 2015 - 1:03 pm

    Paul Krugman Decimates Jeb Bush’s Medicare Delusion

    The real reason conservatives want to do away with Medicare has always been political: It’s the very idea of the government providing a universal safety net that they hate, and they hate it even more when such programs are successful.

    …Medicare is 50 years old this week. Conservatives have been warning that it will destroy American freedom for that entire time. Kind of a bizarre claim about a program that has been a lifesaver both financially and literally for many seniors and their loved ones.

  7. #21 by Richard Warnick on July 28, 2015 - 1:47 pm

    What Jeb Bush doesn’t get about Medicare

    Right wingers remind me of the joke about the old-timer who gave directions saying, “first, don’t start from here.”

    Instead of building on what we have achieved as a nation, the right wants to reject settled policy and law (even the 50-year-old Medicare system) in order to replace it all with something else that’s radical and largely undefined. But the outlines are clear.

    I call it the YOYO society – you’re on your own, except of course for members of the privileged 1 Percent. In the right-wing utopia, everyone else would serve them.

  8. #22 by Richard Warnick on July 30, 2015 - 4:02 pm

    Bernie Sanders: We Need Medicare for All, Not Cutbacks That Will Kill Our Seniors

    “We need to expand Medicare to cover every man, woman, and child,” he told the cheering crowd. “Every year, thousands die just because they can’t afford to go to the doctor. No one should go into the hospital and have to file for bankruptcy when they come out.” The Sanders plan, he said, will provide healthcare through the most “cost effective way, and that is a Medicare for all.”

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