Posts Tagged Alan Korwin
I’m sick and tired of the “guns don’t kill people; people do” mantra. Its too stupid for words.
If it ain’t a hunting rifle, it was designed for a singular purpose, to give a human being the ability to kill another human being. The same cannot be said about spoons, knives, cars, hammers or hamburgers.
Thom Hartmann explains to Larry the caller why the 2nd Amendment was written to allow citizens to defend their country, not defend AGAINST tyranny.
What would it take for you to stand out in front of your house with weapons and defend yourself against the federal government?
Second Amendment Primer: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,…”
Obama should exercise his presidential authority to effect sensible gun control nationally for two reasons:
1. It bring a badly needed Supreme Court challenge that will likely involve the “Militia” part of the second amendment.
2. It will turn up the volume for historians and constitutional experts in a broad national debate in which second-amendment-extremist will learn a more reasonable interpretation of the second amendment; one that is supported by fact and history instead of the version Justice Scalia smeared like skid marks into our national undies.
We are finally beginning to have an honest discussion about the true meaning of the Second Amendment. Until Sandy Hook, gun rights extremist managed to dominate the conversation. They were allowed to ignore the “A well regulated Militia, being necessary” part.
Here is a PERFECT EXAMPLE from an interview by Nashville’s WSMV-TV on Friday.
It is a fact that the average James Yeager and other Second Amendment Advocates cannot actually recite the whole sentence:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Obama should use his executive power if it will mean Wayne LaPierre, the average 2nd amendment “advocate” and crooked snake oil salesmen like David Hardy will be FORCED to read and memorize THE WHOLE SENTENCE and address the HISTORICAL FACTS surrounding the writing of the Bill of Rights.
The National Rifle Association countered with “arm the teachers.” Gun clubs claim hundreds of teachers are applying for free weapons training. Two hundred people showed up for a class in West Valley City, Utah, outside Salt Lake City, on December 27, 2012, for example. Not all of the people who took the course were teachers. But some were, including Carolyn Cain, who teaches special education kids in kindergarten to the 6th grade in Utah County, Utah.
Since OneUtah enjoys an audience of the most vocal proponents of arming American to the teeth ( I call you Bubbas), it seems appropriate to provide this EXCELLENT legal, historical analysis of the Second Amendment for ongoing reference.
Cheat Sheet for Bubbas:
The word ‘militia’ appears 5 times in the constitution.
Nineteenth Century state courts construed “bear arms” as having a purely military function
If you are semi-conscious today, you probably think your Second Amendment rights all but require every citizen carry a grenade launcher to defend himself, family, property, dog and pretty much anyone who happens to be within range of his choice of ammunition. And you probably think the ‘right to bear arms’ was intended as an individual right and has always been interpreted as such.
AND, you would be wrong…DEAD WRONG.
The Gun Lobby’s interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies – the militia – would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires. – Chief Justice Warren Burger, “The Right to Bear Arms,” Parade Magazine, January 14, 1990
Ever notice self-proclaimed Second Amendment experts (Bubbas) VIRTUALLY IGNORE the word “MILITIA?” Of course you have. No self-respecting NRA member, nor the average, spineless gun toting coward would DARE read the actual text of the Second Amendment even if they could.
So, it is up to the rest of us to get real clear on the Original Intent of the Second Amendment. A slow, careful read of the the article (below) is sufficient to arm yourself to the gills to pound any gun freak into the ground.
“Six of the original 13 states, when ratifying the Constitution, proposed amendments which would become the Bill of Rights. Four of these six ratifying conventions – those of New York, Virginia, Rhode Island and North Carolina – proposed amendments whose language closely mirrored what would become the Second Amendment. But the debates at the ratifying conventions in these four states make it clear that the delegates wanted to guarantee the right of the states to have militias, despite the constitutional empowerment to the Congress to arm the militias.”
As you know, we have been invaded by the paid gun lobby web trolls for calling Alan Korwin on the carpet for repeating AND further embellishing one of the gun lobby’s favorite lies on C-Span.
Most recently, troll Bob S has been challenging my use of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) Kellerman Study which states:
In homes with guns, a member of the household is almost three times as likely to be the victim of a homicide compared to gun-free homes.
Like parrots squawking in unison the gun lobby trolls insist the study is “oft-refuted” and flawed. It isn’t flawed and NOBODY has questioned it, except admitted gun freaks.
I checked LexusNexus and found nothing refuting the Kellerman Study. One can be fairly sure if an NEJM published study is challenged and fails, heads roll and careers are destroyed. Today Kellerman maintains the highest level of credentials and respect in his field.
Wikipedia has a good synopsis of the gun-lobby/NRA attack.
Kellermann is well known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm related injuries and deaths, published over two decades in 50 peer-reviewed publications. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann saw firearm and other injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priorities: “I grew up around guns. My dad taught me how to shoot when I was eleven or twelve years old. Firearms are fascinating pieces of equipment. I enjoy the sport of shooting, although I rarely shoot anymore. However, as a clinician, as someone who is committed to emergency medicine, it is equally evident to me that firearm violence is wreaking havoc on public health.”
In this polarized debate, Kellermann’s studies quantifying the risk of mortality associated with gun ownership attracted criticism from pro-gun organizations and individuals. A National Rifle Association of America web page contends that Dr Kellermann “severely understates defensive uses of guns,” and that his “conclusions provide anti-gunners propaganda.” Kellermann’s findings have been linked to the June, 1996 Republican-led decision of the U.S. House Appropriations Committee to strip US$2.6 million from the budget of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control – the exact amount previously set aside for NCIPC/CDC research into the causes and effects of firearm-related death and injury.
In one comment, troll Bob S made this desperate attempt to smear Kellerman.
Following the link conjures an image of a greasy, white, gun-crazed pervert tapping away on a computer on the community room of some Baptist church deep in the boonies outside Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
So just as the gun lobby punished Kellerman for doing his job, Alan Korwin must be held to account for malicious and deliberate deception of the public.
And Alan can thank Bob S, for inspiring yet another public thrashing from OneUtah, for the gun lobby folks on the permanent record
Despite claims to the contrary, Alan Korwin did make a public statement that is untrue (a lie), and given the opportunity to apologize or correct his statement, has chosen to defend this untruth.
On April 9th 2008, Alan Korwin appeared on C-Span. In that speech, in reference to gun ownership in America, Alan Korwin claimed “hundreds of thousands of lives are saved each year” [by the defensive use of guns]. His defense is a 1995 poll by Kleck.
But that poll never won peer review, and the 1997 National Institute of Justice Research Brief, “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms” concludes, NSPOF (National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms) based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number.
So Alan’s claim is not only laughable and absurd but also, demonstrably false and therefore irresponsible.
Just in the last 3 pages of this analysis (pg 9-12) finds the following phrases to describe the Kleck and Gertz poll:
“…surprising figure, estimates are far too high.”
“It does not make sense”
“…results are almost as absurd”
“If those percentages were close to accurate”
“That number also appears completely out of line”
“Evidence of bias in the DGU estimates is even stronger…”
“…many DGU reports are exaggerated or falsified..”
“…greatly exaggerates the true number…”
“…the DGU estimates are not informative…”
Please find below, the full excerpts from which the above phrases are taken for your convenience.
It is quite clear that integrity and honesty are not qualities that reside in the same personage as many gun-advocates, and most certainly, not ones possessed by Alan Korwin.
Alan Korwin certainly has the ability to verify the accuracy of his claims, as do his interlocutors, many of whom have come to his defense on this blog.
I repeat. THIS is the beauty of the Internet.
Page 11 Conclusion:
The NSPOF does not provide much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money’s worth. The NSPOF based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number, as do other estimates based on similar surveys. Much debated is whether the widespread ownership of firearms deters crime or makes it more deadlyâ€”or perhaps bothâ€”but the DGU estimates are not informative in this regard.
Update: The original title was “Gun Advocates Lie People Die“.
So,… Alan Korwin did not exactly fib. He repeated a claim supposedly made by professor Gary Kleck. A claim which no one can produce.
I DID however find something else Gary Kleck said:
That means that MORE THAN 98 percent of fatal gun accidents DO NOT occur during defensive gun use.
Soooooooo?Â How DO fatal gun accidents happen?
That pretty much confirms what I though, people don’t kill people, GUNS KILL PEOPLE.
I’m still looking any evidence that ANY fully employed academic would like to claim research that says 2.5mm/700,000/400,000 Americans each year save their lives with guns.
I’ve sent an e-mail to the man pictured to the right. He is a noted gun advocate/writer.
I just saw you on C-Span giving a talk on April 8th 2008.
You said, “Guns save hundreds of thousands of lives a year.”
You said this after describing a situation in which a women killed her intruder.
I think this claim needs to be fully explored for veracity because if it is true, we gun control advocates will need to take pause.
If on the other hand, this statement is off by say 99.9%, then it is arguably a lie. As a non-fiction writer, your moral and ethical integrity are in question.
I’ve posted this e-mail on our blog so that you may defend your statement publicly. Please go there to respond.
This is the beauty of the internet. Unsupportable public comments and the people who make them can be taken to task and a permanent record established.
Fortunately, because of OneUtah’s very high search engine ranking, this post will soon be returned on the first page of a search on Alan Korwin.Â This is called meritocracy.
I hope he will address our concerns responsibly.