Posts Tagged california proposition 8
And for desert.
The California Supreme Court finds itself center stage tomorrow when it will hear oral arguments on whether it should uphold Proposition 8’s ban on same-sex marriage.
The case touches the heart of our democracy and poses a profound question: can a bare majority of voters strip away an inalienable right through the initiative process? If so, what possible meaning does the word inalienable have?
The state faced a dilemma like this before. In 1964, 65 percent of California voters approved Proposition 14, which would have legalized racial discrimination in the selling or renting of housing. Both the California and U.S. Supreme Courts struck down this proposition, concluding that it amounted to an unconstitutional denial of rights. read on…
The religious right must make a choice; to sacrifice the very principles insures them their freedom to worship in favor of making some sort of point about their interpretation of doctrine OR to hold inalienable rights of all humans about institutionalized, politicized bigotry.
An outspoken and polarizing voice in conservative Christian politics resigned effective Thursday from the National Association of Evangelicals after a radio interview in which he voiced support for same-sex civil unions and said he is “shifting” on gay marriage.
The Rev. Richard Cizik’s comments _ made on a Dec. 2 “Fresh Air” broadcast on National Public Radio _ triggered an uproar that led to his stepping down as NAE vice president of governmental affairs. Read more–>
Dan Savage Takes On Tony Perkins Over Prop 8
You don’t get to march in the public square, slime people, malign people and demagogue against people and then jump behind a bush and say, no God we’re a church.
The Mormon Church has politicized itself with this movement and — in California to ban same-sex marriage. And it wasn’t just the Mormon Church encouraged its followers. The first prophet of the Mormon Church had a letter read from every temple, every Mormon temple in the land instructing its members as a religious duty to donate time and money to this campaign. You cannot campaign against the vulnerable minority group in this country in the political arena without expecting some sort of response
I leave you with a criminally stupid quote from one of our otherwise brilliant OneUtah authors (we really are an open forum)
“Gay marriage leaves men, women and especially children handicapped in the sort of personal development a truly progressive civilization requires.” – PAUL MERO is president of the Sutherland Institute, a conservative think tank.
Colbert actually supports the LDS Church position! (and he really ripped into some gay guy too and he was pretty serious).
He also made Ken’s argument for why 70% of African Americans voted for Prop 8.
I think he’s gonna get in trouble Colbert. Yes I do.
Tuesday November 11, 2008
Proposition 8 Protests – Dan Savage
Dan Savage explains that those who voted for Proposition 8 most overwhelmingly were old people.
Video at Crooks and Liars (just in case The comedy Channel Takes it Down).
I’m having trouble understanding why this LDS Church-owned newspaper would print this letter (LTE).
Is this guy really a member? And it he saying other members do not support Prop 8? Frank? Help me here.
I am ashamed of the members of the LDS Church who opposed Proposition 8. I am sick and tired of reading comments by members of the church saying they are ashamed that the church got involved. If you believe Thomas S. Monson is a prophet and this is the Lord’s true church, then shut up and let the inspired leaders lead us where the Lord inspires them to go. If you don’t support the church’s stance, keep your opinion to yourself.
Marvin Carlsen – Sandy
I thought I was the only one heathen enough to say shut up.
You can always count on the Deseret News to the print the stupidest letters one can imagine.
Kids need both mom and dad
It is fascinating that in the name of tolerance and love anyone not accepting the homosexual political agenda is hated and smeared. However, that doesn’t change the facts.
Marriage is, at base, a method for raising children. Research now overwhelmingly bears out what common sense has told us: Children grow up best in the homes of two parents of opposite sexes — preferably their own parents.
In Europe, where homosexual “marriage” is legal, the rate of children being raised in two-parent homes is sliding drastically because people are not marrying. Is giving a few self-indulgent adults “warm fuzzies” worth the price to the millions of children who will lose what they need most, a mother and a father?
Richard Coxson, Spanish Fork
Were it not for the stupidity of this letter, The Deseret New might have had room for THREE letters about socialism.
Wrapping up my day with a birthday visit with my daughter, I decided to drive up State Street and see how the protest was going. It was amazing. Traffic was barely creeping along. I could only get as far as North Temple and the police directed me to the east. But I was able to see hundreds of people with signs. I could hear the cheers and the chanting. It was the 60s all over for me. I wanted to be there, but turned away and trapped in traffic, I finally made my way home and decided to write instead.
UPDATE: KSL.com reports that
Though the crowd started out small, police estimate it has grown to somewhere between 2,000 and 5,000 people.
This is democracy in action. People have been denied some very basic rights. Many readers here do not agree. Tough. Your religion has no right to dictate what rights other people get.
I’ll repeat what an earlier post here called this: “Devastating” for the Mormon Church. Why? Today’s protests in Salt Lake and in LA yesterday should make that clear. The church will suffer long-term negative public opinion because of its overt actions. And this is just the tip of the ice berg. Californians are angry that money from Utah poured into their state to support this issue. This will not die quietly in California nor here.
Gordon B. Hinckley, the master mind of public relations for the church will be turning over in his grave. Years of heartwarming public service announcements are all undone with one little issue that just will not be quiet.
Postscript: Olbermann says he will have a special comment on Monday on this issue entitled “What’s It To Ya.”
UPDATE 2: Channel 4 reported that some people are calling for boycotting Utah as a tourist destination along with the Sundance Film Festival. Blogs and social network sites are promoting the boycott.
In 2000 the citizens of California overwhelmingly (61%) voted to affirm the traditional definition of marriage, the common definition of marriage that had prevailed since the founding of the state and the definition that has prevailed until recently in virtually every society around the world. What evolved thereafter was a live and let live solution where domestic partners had de facto civil unions and every right that the state could grant without redefining marriage. Homosexual couples, unlike blacks, prosper economically more than heterosexual couples, and the homosexual lobby is arguably the most powerful force in California politics. The California Supreme Court’s recent 4-3 decision, however, added two additional rights: the right to stigmatize or sue anyone who publicly disagreed with the new legal definition of marriage and right to sue for the new definition of marriage in other states based on the full faith and credit clause of the constitution.
Despite attempts to have it barred from the ballot, Proposition 8 allows the citizens of California the opportunity to re-establish the traditional definition of marriage. The opponents of Proposition 8, however, have defined a yes vote as a vote for intolerance and the state government and media have framed Proposition 8 in a most negative light.
Tolerance, however, runs both directions. The person who ripped off my “Democrats for Proposition 8” bumper sticker was not very tolerant. The people who have stolen Pro Prop 8 yards signs have not shown their tolerance. The people who on blogs assert that opposition to Proposition 8 can only stem from hatred and fail to acknowledge that there can be any legitimate arguments on the other side do not strike me as tolerant.
The latest tactic is to make Proposition 8 a referendum on the Mormon Church, betting that linking Prop 8 to a religious minority is a winning tactic. The tactic may work, but the Latter-day Saints are not alone in opposition Proposition 8. See, for example, this link or this one from the Orthodox Union, which seems a model of reasoned tolerance.
Troy Williams has encapsulated what will no doubt be the LDS Church’s last stand on the Same-Sex Marriage debate in California.
It’s time to call out the Mormon temple marriage for what it really is; the ritualistic humiliation of women. It is a ceremony we queers would never want to emulate.
Having been born LDS (and believe me, that was definitely not a choice) I was indoctrinated my entire life to be morally “worthy” so I could enter the temple. Marriage in the temple is the ultimate goal for all Latter-day Saints.
Troy IS well-qualified to say the following.
The Church is in no position of moral superiority to dictate what is “sacred”. Their pro-family rhetoric should be laughed out of the public sphere. What Mormons call “traditional marriage” I call patriarchal submission. The temple ceremony is an insult to all women. I know many LDS wives will disagree. They will argue passionately that they feel liberated in their temple marriages. But underneath their testimony and tears, they each know they have been ritualistically humiliated in their wedding ceremony. They made their husbands their god. On some deep psychological level, this shadows every aspect of their relationship. No wonder Mormon women abuse their Prozac.
I must admit, I have heard this consistently from women, but only from a safe distance from the pall.
Go read the whole article and leave Troy some comments.