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Defenders of Marriage

h/t HuffPost

If you love, where you love, what equipment you might use… Actually, the equipment is somebody’s business. And yet, the “Traditional Values” people are all upset over homosexuality in the movies, in the workplace, in the Boy Scouts. And they should just realize that homosexuality in the Boy Scouts is a tradition. And now that the California State Supreme Court has upheld Prop 8, it’s official: San Francisco is moving to Iowa.

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Calif. Supreme Court decision: Prop. 8 is upheld

The California Supreme Court has issued its decision on Prop 8. The proposition has been upheld, but existing gay marriages will stand. I’ll update when more details are available. It’s impossible to connect to the court’s website right now.

UPDATE: It appears that the court has determined that Prop 8 is not a ‘revision’ to the California constitution, but simply an amendment. Read the rest of this entry »

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An honorable institution – topless photos of beauty queens

By now everyone is aware that Miss California and runner-up to Miss USA Carrie Prejean has spoken out to defend marriage as being between a man and woman only. Some say she would have had the Miss USA title but for her answer to that damning question.

And then the first topless photo appeared. A lingerie shot, topless, with breasts tastefully half concealed. Pageant officials were understandably worried, but she assured them it was the only one. Besides that, she tells them, she was a naive teenager when the photo was taken. Besides that, she says, it’s a lingerie shot and not a topless photo (well it really is both). BUT, it is the ONLY ONE.

Until the second photo appeared. Another shot apparently from the same photo session. Now she says these photos are being publicized just to mock her religious beliefs.

In a statement given to CNN on Tuesday, Prejean said the photos — and she did use the plural — were being used in a “vicious and mean-spirited” effort to silence her for “defending traditional marriage.”

While she vowed to “continue to support and defend marriage as the honorable institution it is,”

So pageant officials are huddling to discuss damage control, and the web site that revealed the first two photos promises there are more to come. And Miss California could just lose her crown.

“When you compete for Miss California, you’re supposed to disclose whether you posed for nude or semi-nude photos, because it’s grounds for disqualification,” he said.

CNN obtained a copy of the pageant contract Prejean signed last year, in which she agreed that the discovery of semi-nude photos could mean disqualification.

And the whole story would be a yawner for most of us except that Miss Prejean has tapped into the most polarizing political issue of the moment. And while I could care less about the photos (they really aren’t much different from the Victoria’s Secret ads on television), or even about her hypocritical statements for that matter. But using her platform to publicly campaign against gay marriage does get my attention. And for that reason, I hope the pageant officials enforce the contract and remove her.

Sorry, but I won’t link you to the site with the photos. You’ll have to do your own Googling for that.

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Gay Marriage recognized in D.C., IF . . .

Washington D.C. council has voted to recognize gay marriages performed in states where those marriages are legal.

This law must first be signed by the mayor and then approved by Congress before it can take effect. This could be a test of where congress sits on this issue.

The vote is considered the first step toward eventually allowing gay marriages to be performed in Washington. Congress, which has final say over the city’s laws, will get 30 days to review the bill assuming Democratic Mayor Adrian Fenty, a supporter, signs it.

If Congress takes no action, the bill will become law automatically. President Barack Obama and congressional leaders have not signaled where they stand on the D.C. bill. Obama generally supports civil unions but has said marriage is between a man and a woman.

It seems that attitudes about gay marriage are changing in America as seen in this recent ABC/WaPo poll. For the first time, more people support than oppose gay marriage:
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“For the Mormons to grandstand on marriage is just nuts”

With their support for Proposition 8 the Mormons have more or less done what someone might do who — in an incredibly dumb moment — decides to call up the local IRS office and start asking the kind of questions that inevitably leads to getting audited.

Frank Schaeffer has an opinion piece on Huffington Post entitled Perspectives on Marriage: Score 1 For Gay America — 0 To The Mormons. I think it would help for Mormons to read this article–with an open mind–just for the purpose of understanding how the rest of the world views them.

I happen to have just been thinking about how Mormons make a big deal about celebrity Mormons (athletes, movie stars, professional singers, etc.), and how they probably do that because it makes them feel more normal and mainstream. But it’s delusional. As Frank says,

It seems that the Mormons have begun to believe their own propaganda when it comes to seeing themselves as “just another” evangelical group. They aren’t.

The evangelicals may be plenty crazy, as they have manifested themselves to be through the late great Religious Right (that is now crashing in flames following the Obama victory), but the Mormons are exponentially crazier when it comes to marriage, and gender roles. [snip]

New religions, where their founders are not shrouded by the merciful mists of time — for instance L. Ron Hubbard of the Scientologists or Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons — seem stranger than the founders of older religions. Maybe that’s unfair, but there it is. That is because the newcomers lived recently enough so that truth claims and character are easier to check out.

Here is just two of many quaint bits of Mormon “teaching” ( this first on race is no longer the official position of the church, but still…)

“And if any man mingles his seed with the seed of Cane [i.e black people] the only way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward & have his head cut off & spill his blood upon the ground. It would also take the life of his Children.”

(Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, 1852, Brigham Young’s address before the legislative assembly of the Territory of Utah upon slavery)

“Nearly all the great discoveries of man in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet… I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to be a greater age than we do, that they lived generally to near the age of 1000 years. He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style. In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants of the sea — to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes.”

(Oliver B. Huntington, Young Woman’s Journal, Vol. 3, p. 263-264)

So, okay, enough already of the “seed of Cain,” moon men, on to marriage, California’s Proposition 8 and the Mormons…

As most in this community know, that’s just the tip of the iceberg of crazy Mormon quotes. But Frank’s entire piece is a pretty interesting read as he quotes a church histories who tallies up Joseph Smith’s wives by age and shows that “The teenage representation is the largest, though the twenty-year and thirty-year groups are comparable, which contradicts the Mormon folk-wisdom that sees the beginnings of polygamy was an attempt to care for older, unattached women. These data suggest that sexual attraction was an important part of the motivation for Smith’s polygamy.”

. . . for the Mormons to grandstand on marriage is just nuts, given their history and beliefs.

I don’t care one way or the other whether Mormons ever become mainstream. But I do care when they meddle in the rights of others in order to promote their own agenda. I think this time the widespread attention to Prop. 8 will be a net negative for the church’s purposes. And Mormons will eventually come to understand that, and being the survivors they are, will make adjustments.

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Mormons leaving the church over anti-gay actions

The Mormon church seems puzzled by negative public reactions to their support for Prop 8 and other anti-gay laws. Their follow-up statements urge love and understanding while failing to understand that their own actions promote hate and discrimination.

Mormons are a powerful voting block and can generally be counted on to get behind the church’s position–whatever it is. Members take literally the call to support the brethren in every word. However, there are some who dare to say the church is wrong on this issue, and they are putting their own membership on the line — even leaving the church as a result.

Lisa Derrick at FireDogLake tells us Mormons Losing Members Over Anti-Gay Campaigns

While the Mormon Church hierarchy was responsible for organizing millions of dollars and thousands of hours of manpower to pass California’s Proposition 8 and Arizona’s Prop 102, the church’s tactics haven’t sat so well with some of its members–including families, members with Mormon heritage going back 150 years, and gay members—who began speaking out in July on the website

Since July almost six hundred LDS Church members have expressed their disapproval and/or resigned. In October a copy of the site’s petition and emails were delivered to the Mormon Church headquarters, but the site is still accepting signatures and letters, since this is an issue that won’t go away.

A visit to the SigningForSomething web site reveals passionate and sincere expressions from members who sadly are leaving their faith. Here’s an example:

This issue has pretty much torn me apart. I have been so saddened by the Church’s involvement with this Proposition. . . . I cannot understand how they would think it even remotely okay to interfere with the civil rights of other citizens.

Of course, with some 8 million members, what’s the big deal about some 600? I think the big deal is that those are only the ones who are willing to state publicly what they feel in their hearts. There are many more who are hurting for their own family and friends who are being discriminated against by the church’s actions, but who are fearful of saying so publicly. It provides such an internal conflict for them as they truly are devoted to their faith, but they also believe the church is wrong on this issue.

As for the church’s puzzlement over its fair exercise of free speech and participation in the process, perhaps I can help them to understand. They hold tremendous power in their ability to organize grassroots activity and to raise huge sums of money. When the church calls, the membership responds en masse. While other churches may hold the same political opinions, no other church has anything close to the Mormon machinery needed to have a real political impact.

Those both inside and outside the church look with dismay at the way the church has wielded its power particularly in California’s Prop 8. It’s not a fair fight and so far Goliath has managed to step on the rights of David. Time will tell whether that power play will win out in the end. With rights at stake, even Goliath can be felled.

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Honest Member Exposes The Corruption of LDS Argument

You can always count on the Deseret News to the print the stupidest letters one can imagine.

Kids need both mom and dad

It is fascinating that in the name of tolerance and love anyone not accepting the homosexual political agenda is hated and smeared. However, that doesn’t change the facts.

Marriage is, at base, a method for raising children. Research now overwhelmingly bears out what common sense has told us: Children grow up best in the homes of two parents of opposite sexes — preferably their own parents.

In Europe, where homosexual “marriage” is legal, the rate of children being raised in two-parent homes is sliding drastically because people are not marrying. Is giving a few self-indulgent adults “warm fuzzies” worth the price to the millions of children who will lose what they need most, a mother and a father?

Richard Coxson, Spanish Fork

Were it not for the stupidity of this letter, The Deseret New might have had room for THREE letters about socialism.

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What a field day for the Heat, a thousand people in the street (Prop 8)

Wrapping up my day with a birthday visit with my daughter, I decided to drive up State Street and see how the protest was going. It was amazing. Traffic was barely creeping along. I could only get as far as North Temple and the police directed me to the east. But I was able to see hundreds of people with signs. I could hear the cheers and the chanting. It was the 60s all over for me. I wanted to be there, but turned away and trapped in traffic, I finally made my way home and decided to write instead.

UPDATE: reports that

Though the crowd started out small, police estimate it has grown to somewhere between 2,000 and 5,000 people.

This is democracy in action. People have been denied some very basic rights. Many readers here do not agree. Tough. Your religion has no right to dictate what rights other people get.

I’ll repeat what an earlier post here called this: “Devastating” for the Mormon Church. Why? Today’s protests in Salt Lake and in LA yesterday should make that clear. The church will suffer long-term negative public opinion because of its overt actions. And this is just the tip of the ice berg. Californians are angry that money from Utah poured into their state to support this issue. This will not die quietly in California nor here.

Gordon B. Hinckley, the master mind of public relations for the church will be turning over in his grave. Years of heartwarming public service announcements are all undone with one little issue that just will not be quiet.

Postscript: Olbermann says he will have a special comment on Monday on this issue entitled “What’s It To Ya.”

UPDATE 2: Channel 4 reported that some people are calling for boycotting Utah as a tourist destination along with the Sundance Film Festival. Blogs and social network sites are promoting the boycott.

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Framing disagreement as intolerance

In 2000 the citizens of California overwhelmingly (61%) voted to affirm the traditional definition of marriage, the common definition of marriage that had prevailed since the founding of the state and the definition that has prevailed until recently in virtually every society around the world. What evolved thereafter was a live and let live solution where domestic partners had de facto civil unions and every right that the state could grant without redefining marriage. Homosexual couples, unlike blacks, prosper economically more than heterosexual couples, and the homosexual lobby is arguably the most powerful force in California politics. The California Supreme Court’s recent 4-3 decision, however, added two additional rights: the right to stigmatize or sue anyone who publicly disagreed with the new legal definition of marriage and right to sue for the new definition of marriage in other states based on the full faith and credit clause of the constitution.

Despite attempts to have it barred from the ballot, Proposition 8 allows the citizens of California the opportunity to re-establish the traditional definition of marriage. The opponents of Proposition 8, however, have defined a yes vote as a vote for intolerance and the state government and media have framed Proposition 8 in a most negative light.

Tolerance, however, runs both directions. The person who ripped off my “Democrats for Proposition 8” bumper sticker was not very tolerant. The people who have stolen Pro Prop 8 yards signs have not shown their tolerance. The people who on blogs assert that opposition to Proposition 8 can only stem from hatred and fail to acknowledge that there can be any legitimate arguments on the other side do not strike me as tolerant.

The latest tactic is to make Proposition 8 a referendum on the Mormon Church, betting that linking Prop 8 to a religious minority is a winning tactic. The tactic may work, but the Latter-day Saints are not alone in opposition Proposition 8. See, for example, this link or this one from the Orthodox Union, which seems a model of reasoned tolerance.

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