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The Verdict is in: Alan Korwin Told a Lie on C-Span (and refuses to admit it)

Alan Korwin - LiarDespite claims to the contrary, Alan Korwin did make a public statement that is untrue (a lie), and given the opportunity to apologize or correct his statement, has chosen to defend this untruth.

On April 9th 2008, Alan Korwin appeared on C-Span. In that speech, in reference to gun ownership in America, Alan Korwin claimed “hundreds of thousands of lives are saved each year” [by the defensive use of guns]. His defense is a 1995 poll by Kleck.

But that poll never won peer review, and the 1997 National Institute of Justice Research Brief, “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms” concludes, NSPOF (National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms) based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number.

So Alan’s claim is not only laughable and absurd but also, demonstrably false and therefore irresponsible.

Just in the last 3 pages of this analysis (pg 9-12) finds the following phrases to describe the Kleck and Gertz poll:

“…surprising figure, estimates are far too high.”
“It does not make sense”

“…results are almost as absurd”

“If those percentages were close to accurate”

“That number also appears completely out of line”

“Evidence of bias in the DGU estimates is even stronger…”

“…many DGU reports are exaggerated or falsified..”

“…greatly exaggerates the true number…”

“…the DGU estimates are not informative…”

Please find below, the full excerpts from which the above phrases are taken for your convenience.

It is quite clear that integrity and honesty are not qualities that reside in the same personage as many gun-advocates, and most certainly, not ones possessed by Alan Korwin.

Alan Korwin certainly has the ability to verify the accuracy of his claims, as do his interlocutors, many of whom have come to his defense on this blog.

I repeat. THIS is the beauty of the Internet.

“Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms” – Excerpts”

Page 11 Conclusion:

The NSPOF does not provide much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money’s worth. The NSPOF based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number, as do other estimates based on similar surveys. Much debated is whether the widespread ownership of firearms deters crime or makes it more deadly—or perhaps both—but the DGU estimates are not informative in this regard.

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IF Gun Advocates Lie (or fib), People Die


Update: The original title was “Gun Advocates Lie People Die“.

So,… Alan Korwin did not exactly fib. He repeated a claim supposedly made by professor Gary Kleck. A claim which no one can produce.

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I DID however find something else Gary Kleck said:

“..less than 2% of fatal gun accidents occur during defensive gun use.” source

That means that MORE THAN 98 percent of fatal gun accidents DO NOT occur during defensive gun use.

Soooooooo? How DO fatal gun accidents happen?

That pretty much confirms what I though, people don’t kill people, GUNS KILL PEOPLE.

I’m still looking any evidence that ANY fully employed academic would like to claim research that says 2.5mm/700,000/400,000 Americans each year save their lives with guns.

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